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LinuxPlanet: .comment: If Not Now, When?
May 24, 2001, 04 :29 UTC (117 Talkback[s]) (11065 reads)

(Other stories by Dennis E. Powell)

Dennis Powell also takes exception to the notion that it's time write the Linux desktop's obituary. On the other hand, he offers up some points for why things aren't moving so fast: resistance to proprietary hardware support, and resistance to for-pay software among them. This week Dennis reminds us that the best technical solution doesn't always win, and the real task ahead for convincing people to make the switch to a Linux desktop lies in providing a truly compelling reason.

"...I love Linux," my wife said a few minutes ago. "Except when I have to open attachments or do any work. But for playing around, it's great." Exactly. We need a broad range of serious applications. Not applications to scratch some programmer's itch as to how it ought to be done, but programs that bring Linux into the world of how things are done. Returning to theKompany.com, which is producing a nice group of programs for both developers and users, it took them, a commercial outfit that isn't richly funded by VC millions, to revive the perennially moribund Magellan, forking it into Aethera, which is progressing wonderfully. Remember the crap they took when they announced that their personal finance manager, Kapital, would be a pay-for-it, closed-source program? Remember how much of it was from people who had been whining about how they wished Quicken would be ported to Linux? Did they think Intuit was going to give it away?

I'm not for a moment saying that there's no value in the work being done by developers who push the limits, who head off in whatever strange directions that pursuit of their vision requires. What I am saying is that the community often seems to adopt a pseudo-elitist, emacs-is-all-you-need-and-everybody-else-keep-out attitude. I've said it before, over and over -- there's room here for everybody. If you object to closed-source apps, just don't buy them. But don't go around doing your best to queer the deal for everybody else.

The greatest obstacle to Linux on the desktop is the Linux community, or at least that vocal portion that makes life hell for anyone who wants to fix the problem with the VIA chipset, who wants to release video drivers for Linux, who God forbid wants to sell applications that run on Linux without casting the code they paid to develop to the wind."

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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
I have long been a zealot of linux on th ...   Lets be careful, keep the focus   
Peter Revill
May 23, 2001, 13:48:46
 
The real reason for the slow adoption of ...   Root of the problem   
Subhas
May 23, 2001, 13:52:36
 
Attempting to create look and work alike ...   worst move?   
geoff lane
May 23, 2001, 13:57:22
 
This is very true.  As someone who has d ...   RE: Root of the problem   
Anonymous
May 23, 2001, 14:13:28
 
But I agree with Mr. Powell 100%. I too  ...   I know I'll regret this...   
Eric Lengvenis
May 23, 2001, 14:14:26
 
Last weekend I was working away on a gam ...   LEt me tell you a story...   
Chris
May 23, 2001, 14:26:22
 
Most people don't like to install th ...   Pre-installed Linux   
phil
May 23, 2001, 14:31:32
 
This might come as a shock to you, but y ...   Re: Root of the problem   
David G. Watson
May 23, 2001, 14:39:35
 
> KDE/QT suffers from similar problems.  ...   Re: Root of the problem   
Randy Savage
May 23, 2001, 14:45:54
 
Surprises me that no-one mentions the in ...   Kylix and patience   
Jimmie
May 23, 2001, 14:54:19
 
Windows users are NOT largely satisfied; ...   People are Lazy   
Tom
May 23, 2001, 14:57:59
 
> he fact that there is not a good GUI t ...   Re: RE: Root of the problem   
steve
May 23, 2001, 15:01:43
 
I nearly fell off my chair laughing when ...   emacs-is-all-you-need   
Jimmy the Geek
May 23, 2001, 15:02:54
 
The desktop is a different, and harder,  ...   When he's wrong he's wrong. This time he&   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 23, 2001, 15:09:59
 
> say that the fact that there is not a  ...   Re: RE: Root of the problem   
Olivier Fourdan
May 23, 2001, 15:13:13
 
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010522/2261.html ...   Desktop is not dead! RedHat+NeTraverse (win4lin)   
Dr X
May 23, 2001, 15:26:29
 
I think we need to be patient here.  Lin ...   Its time will come!   
Partydewd
May 23, 2001, 15:37:35
 
There is only one U*ix-like OS out there ...   Re: Root of the problem (and a solution)   
RC Davis
May 23, 2001, 15:46:50
 
very kind of mr. powell to inform us tha ...   but what about the facts, dennis??...   
frank
May 23, 2001, 15:47:25
 
Companies objectives are to make a lot o ...   Companies won't do it. The people will. As all   
Dr. F
May 23, 2001, 16:12:29
 
I have to agree with the author. Too oft ...   Linux and the desktop   
John Helms
May 23, 2001, 16:18:41
 
I looked through the Linux kernel archiv ...   via driver story not accurate   
brian
May 23, 2001, 16:38:48
 
the desktop for linux has a long ways to ...   Desktop   
Certain demise
May 23, 2001, 16:50:27
 

	As long as what John Q. Public gets w ...   Preinstalled OS agreements   
JCA
May 23, 2001, 16:54:48
 

> The real reason for the slow adoptio ...   Terrible ideas and astroturf   
Eric Laffoon
May 23, 2001, 17:18:08
 
> There is only one U*ix-like OS out the ...   Re: Re: Root of the problem (and a solution)   
Rufus Polson
May 23, 2001, 17:23:49
 
In the 60s the flower child generation w ...   re: Free Software Model Is A Failure   
LinuxPoster
May 23, 2001, 17:26:06
 
What is the point in running windows app ...   Re: Desktop is not dead! RedHat+NeTraverse (win4li   
linuxposter
May 23, 2001, 17:30:20
 
> 
> All this thing about sharing softw ...   Re: re: Free Software Model Is A Failure   
Rufus Polson
May 23, 2001, 17:31:38
 
What is stopping Desktop Development?

 ...   What is stopping Desktop Development?   
tc
May 23, 2001, 17:32:41
 
How about building in multithreaded clip ...   Re: Lets be careful, keep the focus   
pavel zaitsev
May 23, 2001, 17:39:06
 
> What is stopping Desktop Development?Y ...   Re: What is stopping Desktop Development?   
Fra. 219
May 23, 2001, 18:05:28
 
While there are many quality apps curren ...   Not all apps are available   
DML
May 23, 2001, 18:21:27
 
There is no toolkit with a stable API an ...   Re: RE: Root of the problem   
AJWM
May 23, 2001, 18:25:45
 
The article is very good, and the respon ...   Modestly encouraging   
Andrew Grygus
May 23, 2001, 18:38:49
 
Powell says:

"What would it take to g ...   Why should we care?   
Mark K. Bilbo
May 23, 2001, 18:47:18
 
> Companies objectives are to make a lot ...   Re: Companies won't do it. The people will. As   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 23, 2001, 19:02:13
 
You are exactly right. I think most of t ...   Re: Lets be careful, keep the focus   
Terry Gabriel
May 23, 2001, 19:02:54
 
I follow the desktop Linux issue closely ...   Very good article   
Chris Carlen
May 23, 2001, 19:04:28
 
> I think the question which SHOULD be a ...   Re: Why should we care?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 23, 2001, 19:07:56
 
Right now, linux on the desktop is follo ...   Drunken Walk...   
Myddrin
May 23, 2001, 19:09:27
 
Your "facts" resemble very much to the o ...   Re: but what about the facts, dennis??...   
R.L.
May 23, 2001, 20:06:46
 

Linux is doing just fine on the deskto ...   Linux is doing just fine on the desktop   
Fred Mobach
May 23, 2001, 20:53:21
 
Here's a reason for you to care. Jus ...   Re: Why should we care?   
Andrew Grygus
May 23, 2001, 20:53:44
 
I own every version of MS Office from 4. ...   I buy software.   
Brandioch Conner
May 23, 2001, 20:58:06
 
> > I think the question which SHOULD be ...   Re: Re: Why should we care?   
Mark K. Bilbo
May 23, 2001, 21:24:31
 
yes...even given that the one is a surve ...   Re: but what about the facts, dennis??...   
frank
May 23, 2001, 21:43:01
 
> But how much reality is in the marketi ...   Re: Re: Re: Why should we care?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 23, 2001, 22:26:19
 
> > What is stopping Desktop Development ...   Re: Re: What is stopping Desktop Development?   
tc
May 23, 2001, 22:53:11
 
Why are we supposed to be able to respec ...   Shenanigans   
Lisa
May 23, 2001, 23:57:55
 
> But I agree with Mr. Powell 100%. I to ...   Re: I know I'll regret this...   
Rick James
May 24, 2001, 00:15:45
 

Dennis is right! He is speaking truth. ...   Dennis Powell should be heard by all!   
marcus blythet
May 24, 2001, 00:15:55
 
> I looked through the Linux kernel arch ...   Re: via driver story not accurate   
Rick James
May 24, 2001, 00:29:16
 
> > But how much reality is in the marke ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Why should we care?   
Mark K. Bilbo
May 24, 2001, 00:33:58
 
> Linux community: United we stand, divi ...   Re: Dennis Powell should be heard by all!   
Mark K. Bilbo
May 24, 2001, 00:37:42
 
> Why are we supposed to be able to resp ...   Re: Shenanigans   
Chris Carlen
May 24, 2001, 01:27:31
 
It is very hard or close to impossible t ...   The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Joan Bonucci
May 24, 2001, 01:44:57
 
> ****** I have no idea about this stuff ...   Re: Shenanigans   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 24, 2001, 02:32:40
 
The real reason for the slow adoption of ...   Re: Root of the problem   
Ted Clark
May 24, 2001, 03:24:59
 
 "Most people don't like to install  ...   Pre-installed Linux-conditioning   
BR
May 24, 2001, 04:00:00
 
"Money can convince programmers to write ...   Tax pain & other woes   
Threska
May 24, 2001, 04:09:36
 
Funny thing that. In forums for the othe ...   Who am I?   
Threska
May 24, 2001, 04:32:45
 
> It is very hard or close to impossible ...   Re: The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Matthew
May 24, 2001, 05:09:45
 
> I own every version of MS Office from  ...   Re: I buy software.   
Matthew
May 24, 2001, 05:28:41
 
How can Linux win the desktop?  First, w ...   So then---Let's Rant on RIP   
dc
May 24, 2001, 05:29:42
 
Its the media! Newspapers, magazines you ...   One thing people have not mentioned....   
Matthew
May 24, 2001, 05:44:43
 
... easier to use and 100 times better t ...   Linux desktop - easier to use   
some guy
May 24, 2001, 06:37:28
 
Is this the same Dennis Powell who a lit ...   Denis Powell only likes SOME Linux companies   
Martin Sevior
May 24, 2001, 06:59:22
 
> Apparently they've found their ide ...   Re: Who am I?   
ac
May 24, 2001, 07:52:49
 
One word: astroturfing.

Go troll some ...   Re: RE: Root of the problem   
Chris
May 24, 2001, 09:26:26
 
In these conditions we can't catch w ...   Linux Starting Step is too high.   
Sancar Saran
May 24, 2001, 10:48:13
 
> Right now, linux on the desktop is fol ...   Re: Drunken Walk...   
Scooby
May 24, 2001, 10:55:07
 
> Accounting software needs to be done * ...   Re: Tax pain & other woes   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 24, 2001, 11:06:18
 
> Getting Linux onto the desktop in larg ...   Re: Re: The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 24, 2001, 11:09:42
 
> > 
> > All this thing about sharing s ...   Re: Re: re: Free Software Model Is A Failure   
Graeme Pabst
May 24, 2001, 11:12:10
 
All this thing about sharing softwares,  ...   Re: Re: Free Software Model Is A Failure   
Erick E. Feiling
May 24, 2001, 11:46:57
 
Rick, just because you have some traumat ...   Re: Re: I know I'll regret this...   
blob
May 24, 2001, 11:50:25
 
 Right now, linux on the desktop is foll ...   Re: Re: Drunken Walk...   
Myddrin
May 24, 2001, 13:12:23
 
Build and support Linux desktops in your ...   excellent business opportunity...   
yuri vil
May 24, 2001, 13:14:43
 

That moat is the power of monopoly, wh ...   Re: The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Joe Barr
May 24, 2001, 15:13:39
 
I've heard the VHS/Beta saga repeate ...   VHS, Beta, and the *real* loser, Philips and their   
mark
May 24, 2001, 16:13:31
 
> Yeah, scooby. It was OT, except that i ...   Re: Re: Re: Drunken Walk...   
Scooby
May 24, 2001, 16:35:23
 
You know, those of you who say, "Windows ...   Re: Lets be careful, keep the focus   
Zac Smith
May 24, 2001, 16:51:04
 
 Yeah, scooby. It was OT, except that it ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Drunken Walk...   
Myddrin
May 24, 2001, 16:55:36
 
> Is this the same Dennis Powell who a l ...   Re: Denis Powell only likes SOME Linux companies   
Rufus Polson
May 24, 2001, 16:57:18
 
> That moat is the power of monopoly, wh ...   Re: Re: The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Rufus Polson
May 24, 2001, 17:10:53
 

>  I'm not a big DEP fan, but I sh ...   Re: Re: Denis Powell only likes SOME Linux compani   
Tom Kinsey
May 24, 2001, 18:15:40
 
Hi Dino!

Companies won't do it, n ...   Re: Re: Companies won't do it. The people will   
Jerry Kreps
May 24, 2001, 18:33:36
 
> You know, those of you who say, "Windo ...   Re: Re: Lets be careful, keep the focus   
Matthew
May 24, 2001, 18:36:17
 
I would love to share ideas with develop ...   Re: Re: Re: Lets be careful, keep the focus   
Zac Smith
May 24, 2001, 18:56:58
 
> 
> >  I'm not a big DEP fan, but  ...   Re: Re: Re: Denis Powell only likes SOME Linux com   
Rufus Polson
May 24, 2001, 21:25:14
 
> Hi Dino!
Hi back, Jerry!
> 
> Compa ...   Re: Re: Re: Companies won't do it. The people   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 24, 2001, 21:28:51
 
I really don't understand why somebo ...   Why does DP even use Linux?   
Ed Heil
May 24, 2001, 21:44:32
 
Well, number one, you're wrong by an ...   Re: re: Free Software Model Is A Failure   
Ed Heil
May 24, 2001, 22:00:47
 
What is the point in running windows app ...   Re: Re: Desktop is not dead! RedHat+NeTraverse (wi   
Ted Clark
May 24, 2001, 22:36:41
 
The answer was unbelievable - "training" ...   Re: Re: Re: Companies won't do it. The people   
Ted Clark
May 24, 2001, 22:53:24
 
The problem with the desktop is...there  ...   The problem with the desktop...   
nymia
May 24, 2001, 23:07:05
 
> >  I'm not a big DEP fan, but I sh ...   Re: Re: Re: Denis Powell only likes SOME Linux com   
Tom Kinsey
May 24, 2001, 23:13:37
 
> > That is the extraordinary thing. How ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Denis Powell only likes SOME Linux   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 24, 2001, 23:47:47
 
Right in the first paragraph, Powell get ...   Misconception about license rights   
Ben Finney
May 24, 2001, 23:49:10
 
> Enabling Windows applications to run o ...   Re: Re: Re: Desktop is not dead! RedHat+NeTraverse   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 24, 2001, 23:56:58
 
>  As for the Network aware thing, that  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Lets be careful, keep the focus   
Daniel
May 25, 2001, 00:22:07
 
is that for many Linux can still only be ...   The whole problem here   
Eric Hayes
May 25, 2001, 00:37:35
 
> Assuming we're talking about the G ...   Re: Misconception about license rights   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 25, 2001, 00:48:52
 
Oliver Stone is a master of subjugating  ...   Dennis really Oliver Stone ?   
Peter Penguin
May 25, 2001, 01:00:39
 
How many re: s can a poor man stand and  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Denis Powell only likes SOME L   
Tom Kinsey
May 25, 2001, 01:08:48
 
Assuming we're talking about the GPL ...   Re: Re: Misconception about license rights   
Michael Hall
May 25, 2001, 01:17:04
 

> I'd say if we can make that 15% ...   Re: Re: Re: The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Joe Barr
May 25, 2001, 01:20:15
 
> The Linux community is forever blather ...   Re: Re: Re: Misconception about license rights   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 25, 2001, 01:50:01
 
"You miss the point completely, so I&#39 ...   Re: Tax pain & other woes   
Threska
May 25, 2001, 03:41:24
 
"Nobody wants to try selling systems tha ...   The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Threska
May 25, 2001, 04:08:34
 
I wonder if we're reading this diffe ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconception about license rights   
Michael Hall
May 25, 2001, 04:12:38
 
> Here's something to try Dean. One  ...   Re: The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 25, 2001, 09:23:43
 
True as far as it goes. But if Linux can ...   Re: Re: Re: The deep and wide moat around an OS   
Wol
May 25, 2001, 10:55:44
 

"I just want to see more realistic mid ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Lets be careful, keep the focus   
Fred Mobach
May 25, 2001, 12:31:05
 
> Does Dennis not "like" the GPL, whatev ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Denis Powell only likes SOME L   
Rufus Polson
May 25, 2001, 19:57:49
 



i dont know what u havent been rea ...   Re: What is stopping Desktop Development?   
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May 31, 2001, 02:25:25
 
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