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:Mosfet.org: The Debate about Linux User Interface Flexibility
Mosfet.org: The Debate about Linux User Interface Flexibility
Feb 19, 2003, 11 :00 UTC (74 Talkback[s]) (10615 reads)

(Other stories by Daniel M Duley)

[ Thanks to Mosfet for this link. ]

"A big debate these days seems to be focused on how configurable the Linux desktop should be. KDE has always taken the approach that users will have different preferences on how they like to work so the UI should be as flexible and configurable as possible. Gnome 2 has taken the direction that 'less-is-more; and that the configurability in Linux desktops, including Gnome 1.x, was clutter and confusing to the end-user. This has resulted in some pundits calling for KDE to remove some of it's configurability.

"The thing all people who argue for less configurability in Linux desktops have in common, whether they are Sun usability teams or Linux editorial pundits, is that they all presume to know how you should work and what a GUI should look like. If you believe your way of doing things is the 'one true way' then making things configurable is a waste of time and space. Some pundits in particular have insisted that KDE developers should listen to them, do things their way, then remove configuration options to 'clean up clutter in the UI.'

"KDE does not make such presumptions. Some people prefer single-click, others can't work without double-clicking. Some Mac users prefer window close buttons on the left, Windows users expect it to be on the right. Some people like icons on their desktop for devices, others don't. Some old school Unix people hate to work without window focus following the mouse, but this would confuse the hell out of non-Unix people. Don't even get me started on button order. Some KDE people have already started talking about making it configurable in dialogs--probably much to the dismay of those who believe they know 'the one true way' despite that different users have expressed opposite opinions..."

Complete Story

Related Stories:
Mosfet.org: Desktop Elegance(Apr 29, 2002)
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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
I agree with the writer: configurability ...   Right on the head!   
Marcos
Feb 19, 2003, 12:06:24
 
.In the first paragraph this article pre ...   KDE this, KDE that...   
Blah
Feb 19, 2003, 12:11:16
 
.GNOME2 reduces the complexity in making ...   Complexity vs. Configurability   
Johnny
Feb 19, 2003, 12:14:22
 
If clutter really is a problem, and I ca ...   Alternative Approach   
Daniel
Feb 19, 2003, 12:38:36
 
Yes. Gnome uses metacity by default now, ...   Re: Right on the head!   
Russell Hurren
Feb 19, 2003, 12:50:53
 
I couldn't agree more.  The whole re ...   Configurability is what make KDE ROCK!   
Wally
Feb 19, 2003, 13:03:28
 
I'd like to be able to configure, sa ...   configure simplicity in aplications?   
lugon
Feb 19, 2003, 13:16:40
 
ObDisclaimer: I'm a KDE user & qt de ...   Configurable Configurability   
ac
Feb 19, 2003, 13:27:43
 
KDE's window manager is integrated,  ...   Re: Right on the head!   
Kent
Feb 19, 2003, 13:44:05
 
Configurability *was* a major attraction ...   What happened to free as in freedom?   
Stuart DeGraaf
Feb 19, 2003, 13:46:00
 
You can never satisfy everyone, and you& ...   Everyone will never be satisfied...   
Randy Ennis
Feb 19, 2003, 13:47:34
 
Less IS less. At least when it comes to  ...   Less IS less   
Dr No
Feb 19, 2003, 13:54:40
 
I like having lots of options and tweaka ...   a compromise?   
Janne
Feb 19, 2003, 14:04:57
 
There's no such thing about `one ...   I think he is wrong   
Rammstein
Feb 19, 2003, 14:05:46
 
All I can say is I agree with the author ...   All I can say is ...   
Bruce
Feb 19, 2003, 14:18:39
 
> There's no such thing about `o ...   Couldn't disagree more Re: I think he is wrong   
aRTee
Feb 19, 2003, 14:54:54
 
When looking at CDE or the Windoze-UI, I ...   UI "experts"   
Slayer
Feb 19, 2003, 15:00:58
 
> .> In the first paragraph this article ...   Re: KDE this, KDE that...   
Tony
Feb 19, 2003, 15:04:11
 
> In my opinion, Gnome 2.0 and MetaCity  ...   DEsktop sophistication   
CETIV
Feb 19, 2003, 15:07:59
 
I do not like the kind of configurabilit ...   so-called configurability   
Trevor Spiteri
Feb 19, 2003, 15:14:45
 
The author suggests that there is no dow ...   Configurability is a problem   
omg
Feb 19, 2003, 15:43:46
 
Agree 100%. This could be handled on ins ...   Re: Configurable Configurability   
bonehead
Feb 19, 2003, 15:53:31
 
> For example, KDE lets you decide what  ...   Re: Alternative Approach   
omg
Feb 19, 2003, 16:02:59
 
what i would like to see Gnome-2.x.y.z d ...   Menus   
Cheapskate
Feb 19, 2003, 16:04:36
 
>  The defaul-mode would be the "Basic"  ...   Re: a compromise?   
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann
Feb 19, 2003, 16:09:13
 
The author mentioned that those who argu ...   Author Has Wrong Assumptions   
Jonathan Bartlett
Feb 19, 2003, 16:11:08
 
Almost all that could be configured in G ...   Configuring Gnome 2   
Toby Haynes
Feb 19, 2003, 16:19:55
 
This throw it in the advanced mode menta ...   Re: Configurability is a problem   
MM
Feb 19, 2003, 16:24:42
 
> I'd like to be able to configure,  ...   Re: configure simplicity in aplications?   
Roberto Alsina
Feb 19, 2003, 16:31:11
 
*smile*It's the "more is better" vs  ...   Dual of the century.   
BR
Feb 19, 2003, 16:39:32
 
Mosfet has republished this article at   ...   Discussion board   
Yama
Feb 19, 2003, 17:01:43
 
> .> In the first paragraph this article ...   Re: KDE this, KDE that...   
Frogger
Feb 19, 2003, 17:42:13
 
Gnome has sold out to corporativism. To  ...   GNOME Sells Out   
emk
Feb 19, 2003, 17:46:57
 
The themability of Gnome 1.x with Enligh ...   Re: DEsktop sophistication   
Stuart DeGraaf
Feb 19, 2003, 18:18:47
 
> MetaCity is a huge step backward. It m ...   Re: What happened to free as in freedom?   
kws
Feb 19, 2003, 18:18:52
 
Well for some reason I can no longer rem ...   Re: Re: KDE this, KDE that...   
Jerry
Feb 19, 2003, 18:42:25
 
 I do not like the kind of configurabili ...   Re: so-called configurability   
Jerry
Feb 19, 2003, 18:49:39
 
If KDE does not limit configurability of ...   Re: Configurability is a problem   
David Johnson
Feb 19, 2003, 18:53:16
 
> Gnome has sold out to corporativism.Y& ...   Re: GNOME Sells Out   
Rufus Polson
Feb 19, 2003, 19:00:48
 
> I'm an ordinary user.> I want to h ...   Re: Couldn't disagree more Re: I think he is w   
Rammstein
Feb 19, 2003, 19:07:24
 
KDE Kiosk Mode allows you to "lock down" ...   Kiosk Mode   
Charles
Feb 19, 2003, 19:14:28
 
Who cares out KDE or Gnome.  The whole d ...   Lazy People   
j
Feb 19, 2003, 19:19:28
 
My desktop doubtless looks boring as hel ...   Re: DEsktop sophistication   
MikeFM
Feb 19, 2003, 19:55:53
 
In my mind, the real question gets back  ...   How personal should personal computers be?   
tc
Feb 19, 2003, 20:16:43
 
Hell, who needs a desktop.  Real people  ...   Re: Lazy People   
Jimbo God of Unix
Feb 19, 2003, 20:33:24
 
If I had a nickel for every time someone ...   Re: Re: Configurability is a problem   
omg
Feb 19, 2003, 20:40:28
 
So it seems that some KDE developers und ...   Re: Kiosk Mode   
omg
Feb 19, 2003, 20:47:44
 
It's good to see how many people agr ...   Choice is good - we can service the choiceless   
Eric Laffoon
Feb 19, 2003, 21:09:47
 
I used to use gnome.  I was a big gnome  ...   KDE user, ex-gnome convert   
Mark
Feb 19, 2003, 21:22:25
 
> .> GNOME2 reduces the complexity in ma ...   Re: Complexity vs. Configurability   
fredrik c
Feb 19, 2003, 22:15:33
 
> Who cares out KDE or Gnome.  The whole ...   Re: Lazy People   
Rufus Polson
Feb 19, 2003, 22:26:31
 
I'm sure that the obvious has escape ...   Re: so-called configurability   
Tony OBryan
Feb 19, 2003, 22:37:23
 
Yes, kiosk mode is the neatest thing abo ...   Re: Kiosk Mode   
SM
Feb 19, 2003, 22:50:59
 
> "ln -s /whatever/directory/you/want ~/ ...   Re: Re: Alternative Approach   
Daniel.
Feb 19, 2003, 22:53:42
 
You are correct that corporations would  ...   Re: GNOME Sells Out   
Joe Buck
Feb 20, 2003, 00:55:26
 
Well everyone has given their 2 cents, b ...   Talk specifics   
loki
Feb 20, 2003, 01:45:19
 
The author suggests that there is no dow ...   Re: Configurability is a problem   
Charles Hixson
Feb 20, 2003, 02:51:24
 
 ... In my experience, highly configurab ...   Re: Re: GNOME Sells Out   
Charles Hixson
Feb 20, 2003, 03:08:51
 
I think that you misunderstand:Being abl ...   Re: Re: Kiosk Mode   
Charles Hixson
Feb 20, 2003, 03:11:38
 
> Hell, who needs a desktop.  Real peopl ...   Re: Re: Lazy People   
Ostracus
Feb 20, 2003, 03:18:53
 
I don't think it's his fault.  H ...   Mosfet seems confused, but...   
Chris Waters
Feb 20, 2003, 04:21:56
 
> I'd like to be able to configure,  ...   Re: configure simplicity in aplications?   
AC
Feb 20, 2003, 04:53:44
 
> I'm sure that the obvious has esca ...   Re: Re: so-called configurability   
Trevor Spiteri
Feb 20, 2003, 07:23:50
 
> For example, KDE lets you decide what  ...   Re: Re: Alternative Approach   
Wol
Feb 20, 2003, 08:34:42
 
> > .> > GNOME2 reduces the complexity i ...   Re: Re: Complexity vs. Configurability   
aRTee
Feb 20, 2003, 08:53:04
 
> > I'm an ordinary user.> > I want  ...   Re: Re: Couldn't disagree more Re: I think he   
aRTee
Feb 20, 2003, 10:20:01
 
> Well everyone has given their 2 cents, ...   Re: Talk specifics   
aRTee
Feb 20, 2003, 10:20:15
 
> The themability of Gnome 1.x with Enli ...   Re: Re: DEsktop sophistication   
CETIV
Feb 20, 2003, 14:01:24
 
Yes, and MS Windows is a copy of Apple M ...   Re: Re: Re: Couldn't disagree more Re: I think   
Jurgen Defurne
Feb 20, 2003, 14:20:20
 
I used to use Enlightenment on a 200 Mhz ...   Re: Re: What happened to free as in freedom?   
Jurgen Defurne
Feb 20, 2003, 14:41:53
 
> > The themability of Gnome 1.x with En ...   Re: Re: Re: DEsktop sophistication   
Stuart DeGraaf
Feb 20, 2003, 15:20:52
 
> Stuff like Nautilus or drag 'n dro ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: DEsktop sophistication   
CETIV
Feb 20, 2003, 17:05:39
 
Since some people asked for a more direc ...   Updated, larger, commentary!   
Mosfet
Feb 20, 2003, 20:30:43
 
Linux installations would ask a fundamen ...   Practical approach   
Mario Miyojim
Feb 22, 2003, 17:42:03
 
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