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:Editor's Note: Excuse Me, Mr. McBride...
Editor's Note: Excuse Me, Mr. McBride...
May 2, 2003, 16 :00 UTC (51 Talkback[s]) (20185 reads)

(Other stories by Brian Proffitt)

By Brian Proffitt
Managing Editor

There is a line from the movie Star Trek V, The Final Frontier that I think is very parallel to the situation between SCO, IBM, and the development of the Linux kernel. In an otherwise medicore movie, there's this one scene where Capt. Kirk cuts to the heart of all of the philosophical debate about this being called God the officers of the Enterprise have just met.

The line, which might be the most insightful line in the entire movie, Kirk asks the being "what does God need with a starship?"

Chaos insues, the heroes save the day, and the franchise continues.

But that line is ringing strongly in my head as I read the latest interviews with Darl McBride as he responds to IBM's legal filings in The SCO Group's lawsuit against IBM.

In the CNET story just posted on Linux Today, McBride indicates that there is indeed source code alledgedly copied from UnixWare into the Linux kernel. This appears to be a major component of their lawsuit against IBM, as they further indicate that IBM was the one who had access to that code and plagarized it into the Linux kernel.

If this accusation is true, and I have no idea of knowing if it is, I would agree that this is a pretty bad thing and that every effort should be made to get that copied code out of the Linux kernel as quickly as possible.

But this attitude does not seem to be shared by the folks at The SCO Group.

According to the CNET article, "McBride refused to detail which specific code had been copied but said there were several instances--'some of them go back several years, and others are recent'--and said the copying was 'not minor.'"

So here are my questions:

Excuse me, but if this code had indeed been in the kernel for several years, why was nothing done about it when it was first discovered?

Anticipating a counter-reply that might say that the copied code was not found until very recently, then I must also beg the question, exactly how major is this copied code?

Here's where my brain is struggling with the logic of McBride's statement. Is it actually possible that in all of the years that SCO and Caldera before it worked with their own Linux distribution, not a single person in their development team noticed old UnixWare code in the kernel and said "hey, how did that get in there?"

And, if that code was found, why didn't that developer or his managers approach the Linux kernel developers or even Linus Torvalds himself and say "we have a little problem here..."?

McBride has argued that there is "a matter of principle at stake," and yet his company seems to have forgotten the very foundation of open source development: if there is a problem found of any nature, you need to either fix it if you can or get some help to fix the problem.

Actually, McBride hasn't forgotten this at all, since he says pretty much the same thing in the article:

"'There is not an intellectual property policeman sitting in at the check-in counter saying this is OK, this is not OK. It is a free-for-all,' McBride said. 'At the end of the day, there's not a basis for making sure code is clean when it goes in there.'"

He's 100% right. You know who's responsible for making sure that code is clean? The people who contribute. That includes Joe Programmer from Estonia, that includes IBM, and that includes Caldera.

Is there UnixWare code in the Linux kernel? As I said, I don't know. As a former book editor, I can tell you that plagarism goes on a lot more than it should, so I would concede it is indeed possible that this code may have found its way into the kernel.

But I, for one, am very frustrated by this notion that SCO has launched this lawsuit in the name of "principle" when it seems they never tried to get this alledged code out of the kernel in the first place.

Related Stories:
CNET News: Code Red for Open Source?(May 02, 2003)
CRN: SCO CEO Defends $1 Billion Lawsuit Against IBM(Apr 23, 2003)
IBM Makes Initial Response to SCO Group Complaint(Mar 07, 2003)
internetnews.com: SCO Sues IBM Over Unix Trade Secrets(Mar 07, 2003)


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
If they knew the code was in the Linux k ...   Public Domain   
Neal Chaves
May 2, 2003, 16:29:49
 
You appear to be confusing copyrights, p ...   Re: Public Domain   
AJWM
May 2, 2003, 17:14:41
 
In addition to the ludicrously homourus  ...   Two additional points worth raising   
David McGuire
May 2, 2003, 17:38:59
 
 SCO has launched this lawsuit in the na ...   Starts with pricipal but ends with $   
eos
May 2, 2003, 17:44:00
 
Since linux source code is not now, nor  ...   Re: public domain?   
Joel Stone
May 2, 2003, 17:49:36
 
This McBride character sure has a lot of ...   Excuse me Mr. McBride   
Kevin Power
May 2, 2003, 17:51:27
 
Well done!  Because SCO did not attempt  ...   Thank you, Mr. Profitt   
Tom
May 2, 2003, 17:51:57
 
If I'm not mistaken, SCO's is su ...   Why wouldIBM be responsible?   
Gil Bates
May 2, 2003, 18:01:39
 
It just hit me while reading this piece, ...   Could SCO be at the heart of this?   
Jim Campbell
May 2, 2003, 18:03:29
 
As I understand this, if we knew what co ...   Re: Could SCO be at the heart of this?   
Charles Hixson
May 2, 2003, 18:22:49
 
Why accept SCO's contention that the ...   Brian!!   
phil
May 2, 2003, 18:27:40
 
Yes, I know tons of the code in the Linu ...   It must be plagarized...   
Ken Jennings
May 2, 2003, 18:34:48
 
> Why accept SCO's contention that t ...   Re: Brian!!   
Brian Proffitt
May 2, 2003, 18:37:31
 
is Microsoft buying SCO?  ...   So when exactly...   
Guy
May 2, 2003, 18:37:59
 
As is often the case, I hear a lot of sc ...   On Responsibility...   
Nicholas Donovan
May 2, 2003, 18:44:49
 
> Well done!  Because SCO did not attemp ...   Re: Thank you, Mr. Profitt   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 2, 2003, 18:51:36
 
Just verify de change logs in bk!It will ...   Just verify the change logs   
Eduardo Dias
May 2, 2003, 18:53:08
 
> If I'm not mistaken, SCO's is  ...   Re: Why wouldIBM be responsible?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 2, 2003, 18:54:26
 
> It is incumbent on the CEO ultimately  ...   Re: On Responsibility...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 2, 2003, 19:04:52
 
If they release details, while saving a  ...   releasing details would HELP SCO   
catclub
May 2, 2003, 19:14:37
 
Oh please. I'm sure the Open Source  ...   Code theft in Linux   
Jim Frost
May 2, 2003, 19:37:14
 
...that I just got their proxy materials ...   Pity   
Jonathan M. Prigot
May 2, 2003, 19:44:27
 
Considering our judicail system today ca ...   Re: Re: Could SCO be at the heart of this?   
Johnnie Peters
May 2, 2003, 19:45:49
 
> > It is incumbent on the CEO ultimatel ...   Re: Re: On Responsibility...   
Nicholas Donovan
May 2, 2003, 19:47:15
 
SCO has launched this lawsuit in the nam ...   Re: Starts with pricipal but ends with $   
I R A Darth Aggie
May 2, 2003, 19:58:33
 
Here's an excerpt from an interview  ...   Does the Linux kernel contain SCO proprietary or d   
pmbx
May 2, 2003, 19:58:37
 
that SCO has undoubtedly seen every majo ...   I can't help but note...   
joe guin
May 2, 2003, 20:02:14
 
is Microsoft buying SCO?Why would they w ...   Re: So when exactly...   
I R A Darth Aggie
May 2, 2003, 20:02:39
 
Call me paranoid. But I can't get ri ...   It's all FUD   
Goran J
May 2, 2003, 21:34:19
 
There are several things to consider her ...   10,000 monkeys   
Johnnie Peters
May 2, 2003, 21:53:12
 
The only problem with this essay is the  ...   Star Trek V?   
Grishnakh
May 2, 2003, 22:27:09
 
 My concern was, *if* there *is* SCO/Uni ...   Re: Re: Brian!!   
Perkin Warbeck
May 2, 2003, 23:05:53
 
> There is even at least one case of ill ...   Re: Code theft in Linux   
Rufus Polson
May 2, 2003, 23:36:03
 
> that SCO has undoubtedly seen every ma ...   Re: I can't help but note...   
Rufus Polson
May 2, 2003, 23:41:16
 
"Secondly, how do we know that the Unixw ...   Re: Two additional points worth raising   
Glenn Alexander
May 3, 2003, 00:00:30
 
> "Secondly, how do we know that the Uni ...   Re: Re: Two additional points worth raising   
David McGuire
May 3, 2003, 00:40:28
 
> is Microsoft buying SCO?> Why would th ...   Re: Re: So when exactly...   
is
May 3, 2003, 00:52:31
 
> The only problem with this essay is th ...   Re: Star Trek V?   
j smith
May 3, 2003, 11:05:35
 
It seems to me that before everyone gets ...   What does SCO actually own with respect to Unix   
Nicolas Adam
May 3, 2003, 11:38:20
 
> > There is even at least one case of i ...   Re: Re: Code theft in Linux   
Daniel
May 3, 2003, 12:22:48
 
Look, denial isn't the way to solve  ...   Re: Star Trek V?   
Brian Proffitt
May 3, 2003, 13:49:35
 
> I think we can probably be sure that t ...   Re: Re: Could SCO be at the heart of this?   
J. J. Ramsey
May 3, 2003, 14:54:57
 
How do we know that SCO didn't copy  ...   How Do We Know that SCO didn't copy Linux code   
Bruce
May 3, 2003, 16:36:45
 
*** I would appreciate it if somebody co ...   How can source code be IP?   
Zoran
May 4, 2003, 11:35:55
 
Explain this please...  ...   da connection   
g1y0
May 4, 2003, 15:31:42
 
Why don't we all just start burning  ...   Witches   
Stephen Hughes
May 4, 2003, 17:49:04
 
> Another example: Can I write a script, ...   Re: How can source code be IP?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 4, 2003, 17:54:59
 
Here's an interesting point that was ...   GPL and SCO   
nibbler
May 4, 2003, 22:19:29
 
> 5. The GPL has a so called viral natur ...   Re: GPL and SCO   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 5, 2003, 13:31:59
 
I am getting convinced that this is a FU ...   FUD?   
Rainer Weikusat
May 5, 2003, 16:18:39
 
I have a strong suspicion that UnixWare  ...   It might be vice-versa   
Mario Miyojim
May 5, 2003, 22:14:41
 
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