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:A Guest Essay In Favor of Mono (#1)
A Guest Essay In Favor of Mono (#1)
Jun 12, 2009, 01 :32 UTC (70 Talkback[s]) (6923 reads)

(Other stories by Jo Shields)

"I speak for myself here - not for the Debian project, nor Ubuntu, not for the Mono project, nor for my employer.

"I am a member of the Debian Mono Group, Debian CLI Applications Team, and Debian CLI Libraries Team. I've been working on packaging for the Mono stack and applications which make use of it in Ubuntu (and Debian) for just under a year. And, fully aware of the flame war, threats and personal attacks which will follow, I'm going to take you up on your "invitation". I speak for myself here - not for the Debian project, nor Ubuntu, not for the Mono project, nor for my employer.

"Your request was for "a calm presentation of why Mono is desirable, why it is not a threat, and why it should be included in Ubuntu by default". I'll answer these three questions individually, then offer a general comment on your post, as well as the wider "anti-Mono" movement. This message is GPG-signed to ensure it is published unedited. The message as-sent will be made available at http://retro.apebox.org/herewegoagain.txt to allow people to verify authenticity signatures themselves."

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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Thanks, jo, for the very informative art ...   Very informative - thanks!   
Chris
Jun 12, 2009, 02:16:58
 
I accept that *he* believes what he said ...   Interesting   
Charles Hixson
Jun 12, 2009, 02:35:07
 
I agree (mostly) with Charles.The tactic ...   Just say no....   
Robert
Jun 12, 2009, 02:49:51
 
Until software patents no longer exist t ...   Re: Just say no....   
Dave Fosmire
Jun 12, 2009, 03:21:35
 
A good statement of the pro-mono positio ...   Still Unconvinced   
emk
Jun 12, 2009, 03:37:29
 
It's tiring repeating everything. It ...   Here we go again   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 03:57:39
 
I think from this good post those that d ...   There seems to be a simple solution...   
Phil
Jun 12, 2009, 04:18:10
 
I'd like to thank Mr. Shields for hi ...   Fairly strong article, but.   
Rufus Polson
Jun 12, 2009, 05:18:46
 
First, I am just an observer looking for ...   Re: Here we go again   
Aksel
Jun 12, 2009, 07:23:22
 
First of all I find nothing compelling a ...   No mono Please   
CD Baric
Jun 12, 2009, 07:31:12
 
Why build Linux popularity with a house  ...   House of cards   
Yim
Jun 12, 2009, 07:49:52
 
Overall the author makes a good argument ...   Some points   
Onan the Barbarian
Jun 12, 2009, 08:14:27
 
I don't want to see GNU/Linux tainte ...   Tainting Linux   
Don Whitbeck
Jun 12, 2009, 11:33:34
 
"Speedwise, Mono is much faster than Pyt ...   Best of breed ???   
RudieD
Jun 12, 2009, 13:19:40
 
> First, benchmarks. There seems to be a ...   Re: Re: Here we go again   
Carla Schroder
Jun 12, 2009, 13:25:36
 
As an aside to my comment on the blog, I ...   Aside   
Neko Nata
Jun 12, 2009, 13:36:54
 
I didn't make it up. I googled after ...   Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
AkselBijay
Jun 12, 2009, 13:41:18
 
I read through part of the article and i ...   C'mon!   
John Helms
Jun 12, 2009, 14:11:12
 
This posting is dedicated to anyone that ...   Patented mono apps -- lots of them   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 14:21:12
 
I looked at the benchmarks in the link.  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Don Whitbeck
Jun 12, 2009, 14:28:41
 
> I didn't make it up. I googled aft ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Carla Schroder
Jun 12, 2009, 14:32:54
 
> I didn't make it up. I googled aft ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Rainer Weikusat
Jun 12, 2009, 14:44:03
 
> > I didn't make it up. I googled a ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Aksel
Jun 12, 2009, 15:00:04
 
So using your origin logic MS will not b ...   Re: C'mon!   
Helms John
Jun 12, 2009, 15:21:13
 
I just wanted to add a few more thoughts ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Aksel
Jun 12, 2009, 15:21:43
 
The wall of text approach wins again, I& ...   Re: Patented mono apps -- lots of them   
A
Jun 12, 2009, 15:24:28
 
Thats a lengthy story and I know some wi ...   Re: Patented mono apps -- lots of them   
Phil
Jun 12, 2009, 15:40:51
 
>> I didn't make it up. I googled af ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 15:50:35
 
> Thanks for the link. Can you explain w ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Aksel
Jun 12, 2009, 15:52:54
 
> I just wanted to add a few more though ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Carla Schroder
Jun 12, 2009, 15:56:28
 
> I just wanted to add a few more though ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Rainer Weikusat
Jun 12, 2009, 16:01:56
 
> How does it prove the original claim?  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Aksel
Jun 12, 2009, 16:17:04
 
You have no evidence that MS will "Not"  ...   Sorry but..   
asdfjkiroe4wjkdl;kdsa
Jun 12, 2009, 16:22:18
 
Carla Schroder said: I think this is irr ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Richard Dale
Jun 12, 2009, 16:29:29
 
>> The wall of text approach wins again, ...   Re: Re: Patented mono apps -- lots of them   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 16:38:40
 
I do appreciate Jo Shields putting in th ...   Legal issues, Ecosystem and Technical merits   
Robert Osfield
Jun 12, 2009, 16:46:04
 
> I am not religiously defending mono or ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Rainer Weikusat
Jun 12, 2009, 17:06:20
 
>> "Speedwise, Mono is much faster than  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 17:16:35
 
"There are other, better applications th ...   "Name them."   
GreyGeek
Jun 12, 2009, 17:22:45
 
The author makes some well thought out a ...   Mono = Keep the monopoly alive   
paul
Jun 12, 2009, 17:23:42
 
First, let me put in the disclaimer that ...   I Have Some Issues with Mono   
C. Whitman
Jun 12, 2009, 17:36:23
 
The language shootout is a pretty bad te ...   Benchmarks.   
John Aspel
Jun 12, 2009, 17:52:21
 
> > I am not religiously defending mono  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go aga   
auser
Jun 12, 2009, 17:57:28
 
> > I am not religiously defending mono  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go aga   
Aksel
Jun 12, 2009, 18:10:55
 
I agree with almost everything you say.  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go aga   
Aksel
Jun 12, 2009, 18:19:17
 
Re patent risk: I think the clincher was ...   Convincing   
Andrew Malcolmson
Jun 12, 2009, 18:22:07
 
> > > I am not religiously defending mon ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go   
auser
Jun 12, 2009, 18:24:54
 
> Re patent risk: I think the clincher w ...   Re: Convincing   
Rufus Polson
Jun 12, 2009, 19:58:54
 
> I agree with almost everything you say ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go   
auser
Jun 12, 2009, 20:37:17
 
I would simply like to state that as a U ...   My disgust for this topic   
rick
Jun 12, 2009, 20:37:37
 
>Many of those who advertise themselves  ...   Either there is death threats or Shields is slande   
Lyle Howard Seave
Jun 12, 2009, 20:47:46
 
Funny, when he was extolling the virtues ...   Gnote   
P. Woods
Jun 12, 2009, 21:00:56
 
>> My final conclusions are that there a ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 21:01:36
 
Let me try to explain this benchmark so  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go   
Padma
Jun 12, 2009, 21:03:10
 
I haven't seen any quality Mono apps ...   App quality   
ienocvo
Jun 12, 2009, 21:03:21
 
>> I think the clincher was Jo's sta ...   Re: Convincing   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 21:50:55
 
>> Somehow a community that promotes "fr ...   Re: My disgust for this topic   
Jose_X
Jun 12, 2009, 23:37:59
 
Overall I don't find the alioth benc ...   Alioth benchmarks are not very accurate for python   
kosh
Jun 13, 2009, 00:22:26
 
> The language shootout is a pretty bad  ...   Re: Benchmarks.   
Isaac Gouy
Jun 13, 2009, 01:57:14
 
> If you only have 1 processor...one cor ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Isaac Gouy
Jun 13, 2009, 02:13:04
 
> > I agree with almost everything you s ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here w   
auser
Jun 13, 2009, 04:34:04
 
Policy statement - "We screen for profan ...   Linux Today TalkBack Policy   
Isaac Gouy
Jun 13, 2009, 14:02:14
 
Thanks for links. >> > around 10 times s ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Jose_X
Jun 14, 2009, 20:07:01
 
. . .> Most applications have a gui comp ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Ken Jennings
Jun 15, 2009, 00:54:14
 
With respect to the ubuntu contest (in p ...   Mono performance questions   
Jose_X
Jun 15, 2009, 02:55:28
 
> I think I was right about the ~10X for ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Isaac Gouy
Jun 15, 2009, 06:07:46
 
"For every complex problem there is an a ...   Re: "For every complex problem ...   
Bernard Swiss
Jun 15, 2009, 16:45:25
 
>> You noticed something like a bimodal  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again   
Jose_X
Jun 15, 2009, 18:19:26
 
>> Mono cannot be “disabled” via an inco ...   Microsoft should be afraid of mono?   
Jose_X
Jun 15, 2009, 19:49:52
 
Are you the Dave Fosmire who knew Mitch  ...   Which Dave Fosmire?   
Mitch Berman
May 23, 2010, 17:12:36
 
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