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:Editor's Note: Sexism and Other -isms Hold Back FOSS, part 2
Editor's Note: Sexism and Other -isms Hold Back FOSS, part 2
Sep 26, 2009, 00 :04 UTC (63 Talkback[s]) (8320 reads)

(Other stories by Carla Schroder)

by Carla Schroder
Managing Editor

Last week I wrote about Sexism in FOSS and much to my surprise, received more supportive comments than I expected. Maybe we are moving forward. Maybe more people are getting braver and more willing to confront the issue. As I see it, the problem can be roughly defined in three parts, something like a steep bell curve:

1. There is a minority of vocal and dedicated bad actors in FOSS, who are disproportionately loud and destructive.
2. There is a larger number of ordinary people who, for whatever reasons, are unwilling to call the jerks on their bad behavior, and find it's easier to pretend there are no problems. Or worse, tell anyone, especially women, who is bugged by it to go away.
3. Then there are a small number of people who speak up and try to do something about it.

For all of the talk about "community" and "freedom" there is an awful lot of cliquish and exclusionary behavior. A good step would be re-defining "freedom" as "the freedom to be welcoming and supportive", rather than the freedom to be the most unpleasant person. Is there a trophy for that? There must be some reward, given the energy and passion some folks devote to being horrible.

Not Exactly a Community

I'm using the word "community" rather loosely here because it's a convenient shortcut. Of course Linux/FOSS is complex and varied; some projects are models of professionalism, some are self-indulgent dysfunctional little grouchpits, some are middlin', and so on. Something for everyone.

Toxic People

Some people are just plain poison. No one is so brilliant and indispensible that they can be excused from treating other people with courtesy and respect. One "brilliant" but obnoxious person will chase any number of good people away, and you'll never know how many because they don't all make parting announcements. Some never even show up in the first place because they see ToxicPerson and go looking for a healthier project to support. How to Protect Your Open Source Project From Poisonous People is a good video produced by GoogleTechTalks. A related news article if you don't have time for a 54-minute video is Google defends open source from 'poisonous people'.

It's a slap in the face to the good people in your project to excuse a chronic troublemaker. Is it so hard to understand that a pleasant, supportive atmosphere is better than a contentious one full of insults and personal attacks? It is a failure of leadership, an abdication of responsibility to let any one person get away with bad behavior. The video and article have a number of specific suggestions for dealing with difficult personalities, such as having a code of conduct, and if necessary kicking an unrepentant offender from your project. Hopefully it won't come to that and you can work things out, but with some folks it's all take and no give, and there is no working with them.

What is Offensive?

Whatever an offended person says it is. "I'm just joking" is a lie-- a lot of hostility hides behind "humor." Listen, think, have some compassion. People of goodwill and mutual respect work at getting along, with give and take. Say "I'm sorry" and move on. Defending to the death one's right to be obnoxious really isn't worth fighting for, especially when bigger and more important goals are at stake.

A lot of folks seem to think that public forums and mailing lists are like little private clubhouses. Um no, they're not, you're onstage for the world to see.

Women

Women get targeted in special and icky ways just for being women. Often it is subtle; tone comes through even in plain-text communications. It is a look or a posture; some men are creepy just saying "Hello." We all have our own lifetimes of experience in recognizing and dealing with this crud. Sometimes it's blatant and crude. Either way it is real. It is rooted in disrespect and contempt, so I've never seen any particular reason to tolerate it.

Kirrily Robert's OSCON keynote "Standing out in the crowd" is so good I wish I'd written it. She gives a great summary of the issues and is a lot nicer than me, but she still doesn't pull any punches:

"This is a normal sort of open source project. I'll give you a minute to spot the women in the picture. Sorry, make that woman. She's on the right. Can you see her?...You walk into a space, and you feel like you stand out. And there's enormous pressure to perform well, in case any mistake you make reflects on everyone of your gender."

All women in FOSS need to be more visible. There are a number of women's groups to provide help and support, such as Linuxchix.org. Linuxchix has been around for several years, and is for women who like Linux and for anyone who wants to support women in computing. We have a nice mix of women, men, and other from all over the planet. Check out Other groups for Women in Free Software to learn about some other groups as well.

Pulling Together

All of this is such a silly sideshow. Step back and look at what FOSS is about, and what is good for it. It needs good people in a multitude of roles, because coding is just the beginning: community leadership, marketing, documentation, artwork, education, reaching out to girls and boys, reaching out to adults considering career changes, fundraising, law and politics, and dozens of other important jobs. We need everyone with useful skills and the commitment to hang in and get things done. We need to get better at turning users into contributors. There are a lot of competing opportunities for good people with good skills, and being nasty is not going to win them over.

I think we're at a crossroads right now. I think if we devote real energy to community-building and attracting a new generation of contributors Linux/FOSS will develop unstoppable momentum, and progress beyond what anyone else can do. If we don't, if we continue to fumble along the same old way, corporate contributors are going to dominate and take it in a direction we may not like. Progress will slow and the community contributors are going to be stuck out in the weeds. An especially thorny issue that is has never been seriously addressed is how can people make a living writing code, writing documentation, designing great artwork, leading strong projects? It's not good enough to say "Service and support" because those do not apply to everything. Are corporate funding or advertiser-supported the only options? You know the Golden Rule: "The one with gold the makes the rules." I think the question of money is going to become more acute as more businesses make money off FOSS code.

Like Kirrily's OSCON presentation says, new contributors are not going to replace old ones-- it's additive, and they will make us stronger and better.

Related Stories:
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Editor's Note: Sexism in FOSS(Sep 18, 2009)
Will FSF's summit on women in FOSS achieve anything? (Sep 15, 2009)
Sexism: Open Source Software's Dirty Little Secret(Sep 09, 2009)
Ageism rife in IT?(Sep 03, 2009)
FSF and GNOME Calling Women of Community(Aug 27, 2009)
Free Software Foundation will host a mini-summit on Women in Free Software(Aug 24, 2009)
Debian Women May Leave Due to 'Sexist' Post(Dec 16, 2008)


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It would be interesting to understand wh ...   Sexism : FOSS versus proprietary   
sc
Sep 26, 2009, 00:58:15
 
It would be interesting to understand wh ...   Re: Sexism: FOSS versus propietary   
Kathryn Andersen
Sep 26, 2009, 01:18:07
 
My understanding is that there is a MUCH ...   FOSS vs the rest of IT   
Dee-Ann LeBlanc
Sep 26, 2009, 01:49:14
 
Wonderful article! Building up the colle ...   thanks!   
natalee
Sep 26, 2009, 01:54:20
 
You are right, Carla.  We indeed are at  ...   FOSS at the Crossroads   
Barbara I. Irwin
Sep 26, 2009, 01:56:44
 
I have been to many meetings of 5 differ ...   Education is the key   
JJS
Sep 26, 2009, 02:02:00
 
What is Offensive?Whatever an offended p ...   Your "Standard" is unjust.   
GreyGeek
Sep 26, 2009, 02:23:16
 
One difference may be that corporate cod ...   @sc   
Tim Patterson
Sep 26, 2009, 02:30:52
 
GreyGeek, I think you've missed the  ...   Re: Your Standard is Unjust   
Valorie Zimmerman
Sep 26, 2009, 02:55:41
 
> > What is Offensive?> Whatever an offe ...   Re: Your   
Carla Schroder
Sep 26, 2009, 03:26:44
 
It is a look or a posture; some men are  ...   This is nuts   
linuxrocks123
Sep 26, 2009, 03:38:14
 
Oh and Greygeek, it's worth mentioni ...   Re: Re: Your   
Carla Schroder
Sep 26, 2009, 03:55:58
 
>> The other is personal experience: I w ...   Re: Re: Sexism: FOSS versus propietary   
Jose_X
Sep 26, 2009, 04:04:21
 
You have someone who is a despicable per ...   Can't stop people from coding   
Brandon
Sep 26, 2009, 04:25:08
 
What is offensive? That's a good que ...   Respect...   
Neko Nata
Sep 26, 2009, 04:42:46
 
Very well said and written Grey Geek.... ...   Very well said Grey Geek   
TonyY
Sep 26, 2009, 06:46:08
 
The problem with this suggestion is that ...   Be polite   
Jose_X
Sep 26, 2009, 07:03:21
 
Standing up to a jerk or a bully is not  ...   Re: Re: Re: Your   
Bob
Sep 26, 2009, 07:50:12
 
"What is Offensive? Whatever an offended ...   Guilty because accused   
Raymond
Sep 26, 2009, 09:22:09
 
I've followed the last few posts fro ...   Is sexism really rife in FOSS?   
Robert Osfield
Sep 26, 2009, 09:30:02
 
I tell you what.  Let's see a sample ...   Show Me the Code   
Simplicissimus
Sep 26, 2009, 14:57:23
 
In response to the articles referenced i ...   RE: Guilty because accused   
grep
Sep 26, 2009, 15:31:04
 
We live in a time of trolls, spam, cable ...   there is work to be done, and this is not it   
Greg P
Sep 26, 2009, 17:04:36
 
The blame is not on open source for maki ...   If you code, you can be in open source.   
Jimmy the Geek
Sep 26, 2009, 18:26:15
 
It's all about control. If someone c ...   100% agreement with GreyGeek.   
Brandioch Conner
Sep 26, 2009, 18:41:46
 
I'll believe this statement when a p ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Your   
GreyGeek
Sep 26, 2009, 18:54:26
 
I think a lot of what the Greygeek and c ...   That OSCon keynote owns   
Rufus Polson
Sep 26, 2009, 20:32:11
 
> How far do I carry this? Until communi ...   Re: Your   
Bob_Robertson
Sep 26, 2009, 21:12:21
 
> Simple courtesy, simple manners, diffe ...   Re: Re: Your   
Bob_Robertson
Sep 26, 2009, 21:22:31
 
GreyGeek,I was about to write a very sim ...   Re: our "Standard" is unjust   
Troy Roberts
Sep 26, 2009, 21:34:54
 
Valorie,I believe you miss GreyGeek' ...   Re: Re: Your Standard is Unjust   
Troy Roberts
Sep 26, 2009, 21:50:08
 
..that I have been laughing over some of ...   Actually Grey Geek....I must confess...   
TonyY
Sep 26, 2009, 21:53:46
 
Carla,What you say here is much differen ...   Re: Re: Your   
Troy Roberts
Sep 26, 2009, 21:56:06
 
IMHO we should really be careful about r ...   Please don't.   
Neko Nata
Sep 26, 2009, 22:24:14
 
Sexism is a cultural issue not a free so ...   Not a Free Software Issue.   
twitter
Sep 26, 2009, 23:02:52
 
If Carla means that women would apprecia ...   Good grief   
logic
Sep 26, 2009, 23:06:54
 
I've seen this phenomenon off and on ...   I'm afraid this is why men rule the world   
logic
Sep 26, 2009, 23:25:09
 
A thought has occurred to me over the la ...   A wild hypothesis   
jcm
Sep 27, 2009, 04:10:13
 
...No, seems more likely that most guys  ...   re: That OSCon keynote owns   
Brandioch Conner
Sep 27, 2009, 04:22:42
 
> I tell you what.  Let's see a samp ...   Re: Show Me the Code   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 08:29:13
 
> A thought has occurred to me over the  ...   Re: A wild hypothesis [wildly redacted]   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 08:43:55
 
> What you say here is much different th ...   Re: Re: Re: Your   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 09:37:03
 
> It is a look or a posture; some men ar ...   Re: This is nuts   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 09:59:43
 
For obvious reasons, the 'other defi ...   Offensiveness.   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 11:06:38
 
[...].> We live in a tough world, even n ...   Re: there is work to be done, and this is not it   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 13:02:31
 
Yeah, I re-read that after I submitted i ...   Re: Re: A wild hypothesis [wildly redacted]   
jcm
Sep 27, 2009, 14:04:06
 
> Yeah, I re-read that after I submitted ...   Re: Re: Re: A wild hypothesis [wildly redacted]   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 17:24:58
 
Oh, you got me.  Total Freudian slip.  I ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: A wild hypothesis [wildly redacted   
jcm
Sep 27, 2009, 18:16:41
 
> Oh, you got me.  Total Freudian slip.  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A wild hypothesis [wildly reda   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 27, 2009, 19:09:33
 
IT companies have a significant percenta ...   Sexism: Open Source versus cmmercial   
Daniel
Sep 27, 2009, 19:36:50
 
Thanks for writing this, Carla.If anyone ...   Remarkable...   
Lefty
Sep 27, 2009, 19:50:39
 
So that you don't need to "second gu ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A wild hypothesis [wildly   
jcm
Sep 27, 2009, 22:32:53
 
There are environments optimized for som ...   Point of contact, and creating without destroying.   
Jose_X
Sep 28, 2009, 00:37:56
 
>>  I'm also entertained and intrigu ...   Re: Remarkable...   
Jose_X
Sep 28, 2009, 01:10:48
 
Carla, I just read the article. I skippe ...   Can we reach needed volunteers?   
Jose_X
Sep 28, 2009, 03:26:31
 
> ...No, seems more likely that most guy ...   Re: re: That OSCon keynote owns   
Rufus Polson
Sep 28, 2009, 05:56:31
 
> So that you don't need to "second  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A wild hypothesis [wil   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 28, 2009, 07:25:18
 
> Thanks for writing this, Carla.> If an ...   Re: Remarkable...   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 28, 2009, 08:19:49
 
This paper is a bit old, but answers man ...   Only 8% women in Computer Science   
Troy Roberts
Sep 28, 2009, 12:20:41
 
 If anyone needed evidence that there wa ...   Re: Remarkable...   
GreyGeek
Sep 28, 2009, 23:47:32
 
I already posted what I wanted to say on ...   Rude behavior by men and boys? Yep, it happen   
sgtrock
Sep 29, 2009, 14:29:29
 
>Start with me.Jose, not too long ago, w ...   Re: Re: Remarkable...   
Lefty
Oct 1, 2009, 18:54:06
 
> >Start with me.> Jose, not too long ag ...   Re: Re: Re: Remarkable...   
Carla Schroder
Oct 2, 2009, 13:55:22
 
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