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:ZDNet: Caldera to introduce modified open-source license
ZDNet: Caldera to introduce modified open-source license
May 10, 2001, 13 :03 UTC (106 Talkback[s]) (15533 reads)

(Other stories by Mary Jo Foley)

Ransom Love of Caldera says the GPL might not be the best license going for commercial software, and to that end he plans to consider other licenses. "Microsoft is attacking open source at its weakest point: the GPL," he says.

"Caldera has some similar misgivings -- not about the GPL model being the optimal one for open-source development, but about how appropriate the GPL is for open-source software that is sold commercially, Love acknowledged."

As a result, Caldera is "seriously looking at and considering different licensing models," he said. Caldera is considering BSD and "other licensing models" that "would be truly open source but still allow folks to influence the (development) process," Love added.

Complete Story


Rob Landley wrote in with these comments when he submitted this story:

Ransom Love fell for Microsoft's recent gambit, discarding the GPL in favor of BSD-style licensing. That was the whole point of Microsoft's recent attacks, convincing people to do that. Why? Very simple.

Open Source is not a threat to Microsoft.

Think about it. Microsoft is thrilled to embrace and extend BSD licensed code; the entire Windows network stack and many of the standard command line utilities are derived from BSD. They even stole enough BSD code (and found enough standards loopholes) to get Windows NT declared posix compliant! It's not just BSD, they're embracing and extending the internet as well. Most of their growth since Windows 95 has been derived from the internet, and making Internet Explorer the primary interface to it for 3/4 of it current user base. How long did Tim Berners-lee's public domain web browser remain in the public domain, anyway? Outlook and exchange for email, front page for web authoring. Embrace and extend.

Embrace and extend is what Microsoft does for a living. They haven't had a new idea in decades, even DOS 1.0 was a clone of CP/M they bought from a third party. Their OS development stalled after 1995 because they'd finally run out of ideas to copy from Apple. Open Source must seem like a godsend to them, a pristine alaskan wilderness to strip-mine.

If Microsoft was facing BSD, they'd just fork it. Grab the BSD codebase, embed explorer and some Win32 compatability Dlls (not a difficult problem when you have the windows source code) , hide half of office in the system dlls just like on Windows, and bingo you have a new Unix based version of Windows incorporating every advance the BSD people have made.

But they're not facing BSD. They're facing Linux. And Linux is protected by the GPL. They can't embrace and extend the GPL, the GPL embraces and extends THEM. And that is scaring the heck out of them.

Idealism aside, the GPL is an effective, pragmatic solution to the problem of monopolies that intentionally fork code bases once they reach critical mass. The 1980's unix world was BSD based and it forked itself to death as soon as companies saw that there was money in it. Netscape hired all the Mosaic developers away. Altruism doesn't keep corporations from strip-mining nature preserves, and it won't keep them from forking open source projects if they see money to be made, no matter how we try to "educate" them about software environmentalism.

Richard Stallman created the GPL to fend off the monopolistic practices of AT&T and Xerox in the 1980's, and it works just as well against Microsoft in the 1990's. This is what it was DESIGNED for. As Eric Raymond said, it's a "stake in the ground they can't pull out". The GPL doesn't just put stuff in the public domain, it nails it there so it can't be removed.

The GPL is a very effective immune system for open source projects, defending them from proprietary embrace and extend attacks. The GPL is what makes Linux a threat to Microsoft, not the merits of the code itself or the amount of effort going into its development. That's just a contributing factor. Linux* couldn't BE a threat without the GPL.

Microsoft has recognized this, and it's about time we do too.

[* Richard Stallman tries to point all this out to people by insisting people call Linux "GNU/Linux", which is about as annoying as Kellog's insisting we call their product Kellog's Corn Flakes, or Budweiser insisting it's "Bud Lite", and about as likely to be universally adopted. He's a smart enough guy he assumes everybody else will think through the dozen or so logical steps and figure out what he means to say, and of course assumes everyone knows the ideals of the GNU project and thus know what he means to imply. What he's MANAGED to do is annoy a very large number of people without actually getting his message across, but not all hackers are great with the humanities side of things. It's a pity, he DOES have great things to say. The FSF could REALLY use a marketing department. Or at least somebody to explain the concept of "judicious and focused expenditure of political capital".]


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Mr. Ransom Love has got it wrong... The  ...   GPL is not Linux's weakest point   
omar
May 10, 2001, 04:59:48
 
Ransom Love is dead wrong and Rob Landle ...   The GPL is the *strongest* link, not the weakest   
Ganesh Prasad
May 10, 2001, 05:01:44
 
How many times has this guy came with th ...   Ransom Love again   
Alastor
May 10, 2001, 05:11:30
 
> Mr. Ransom Love has got it wrong... Th ...   Re: GPL is not Linux's weakest point   
Bobby D. Bryant
May 10, 2001, 05:22:13
 
The term "open source" was indeed, as St ...   GPL finally understood   
Anonymous
May 10, 2001, 05:39:02
 
If GPL is open-source's weakest poin ...   Weakest point?   
Wanderley
May 10, 2001, 05:51:46
 
Paraphrasing...."Caldera is bleeding red ...   Translation   
Jack Bowling
May 10, 2001, 05:53:33
 
BSD Licence is suck! It is good for comm ...   BSD Licence Instead of GPL   
Tom
May 10, 2001, 06:39:40
 
Rob Landley "gets" it. And this is by fa ...   Powerful imagery...   
Martin Vermeer
May 10, 2001, 06:40:32
 
Caldera has always been the weakest link ...   RL the weakest link   
steel
May 10, 2001, 06:52:17
 
Bill Gates sings " Your code is my code" ...   Plainly Put : BSD Sucks.   
Straight Up
May 10, 2001, 06:56:30
 
considering buying Caldera Open Linux .
 ...   Gawd, to think that I actually was once   
john james
May 10, 2001, 07:01:11
 
It seems to me that those Linux devotees ...   If the perjorative fits.   
The GPL forever
May 10, 2001, 07:05:38
 
of no Linux Companies, 
better than,
L ...   GPL Linux will get you through times   
Waldo Severson
May 10, 2001, 07:10:48
 
I can't believe this. Now the BSD li ...   Chill out!   
Eric Laffoon
May 10, 2001, 07:21:55
 
Ransom Love does have a point - which a  ...   Commercially friendly licences   
Wol
May 10, 2001, 07:38:39
 
GPL isn't the weakest point of Linux ...   Detraction   
Heiko Leberer
May 10, 2001, 07:39:03
 
Are we saying that the only reason that  ...   Don't just dismiss this   
Mark Grant
May 10, 2001, 07:40:20
 
I think this is all to do with Caldera&# ...   It's all about market positioning   
Bryan Buchanan
May 10, 2001, 07:41:46
 
We have to listen, really carefully, to  ...   in the GPL we beleieve...   
Delyan Toshev
May 10, 2001, 07:49:30
 
I have been one of Caldera's testers ...   Not new from Caldera   
JFM
May 10, 2001, 08:35:26
 
The story of Richard Stallman is really  ...   RRichard Stallman is Da Man   
Benjamin Atkin
May 10, 2001, 09:02:02
 
Back in the old days (pre 1.0 kernel day ...   Caldera and Me   
Duane C. Mallory
May 10, 2001, 09:44:25
 
> Personally, I think Caldera is a non-p ...   Re: It's all about market positioning   
Samuel D. Taylor
May 10, 2001, 09:53:06
 
I believe this article is just a troll s ...   Microsoft Troll   
JaroD
May 10, 2001, 10:20:17
 
 
> Another thing to consider is that t ...   Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree: read the GPL!   
mark
May 10, 2001, 10:38:32
 
Here here!! Finanlly someone understands ...   Re: Chill out!   
Bruce P. Morin
May 10, 2001, 10:54:12
 
> Another thing to consider is that the  ...   Re: Chill out!   
kosh
May 10, 2001, 11:05:50
 
The BSD license allows theft, and of cou ...   licenses   
not me
May 10, 2001, 11:12:19
 
I never cared for Caldera or any of thei ...   Caldera Sucks Anyway...   
Me
May 10, 2001, 11:49:11
 
The BSD license allows theft, and of cou ...   Blech!   
Scooby
May 10, 2001, 11:50:29
 
I do understand those that are commited  ...   Re: BSD Licence Instead of GPL   
David McGuire
May 10, 2001, 12:01:33
 
> If you were tinkering with code contri ...   Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree: read the GP   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 12:09:05
 
> The BSD license allows theft,

Again ...   Re: licenses   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 12:13:48
 
> Here here!! Finanlly someone understan ...   Re: Re: Chill out!   
mark
May 10, 2001, 12:14:55
 
When you're right, you're right. ...   Re: Blech! How did I end up on the same side as Sc   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 12:20:05
 
> I think many who do use the GPL today  ...   Re: Re: BSD Licence Instead of GPL   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 12:25:59
 
> Are we saying that the only reason tha ...   Re: Don't just dismiss this   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 12:35:55
 
I do not think, that Caldera has real pr ...   Greedy corporations or individuals   
Petrus Vectorius
May 10, 2001, 12:39:06
 
How did I end up on the same side as Sco ...   Re: Re: Blech! How did I end up on the same side a   
Scooby
May 10, 2001, 12:45:58
 
> > If you were tinkering with code cont ...   Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree: read th   
mark
May 10, 2001, 12:57:14
 
No GPL, no Linux community support for y ...   Bye Caldera   
Jerry Kreps
May 10, 2001, 13:11:01
 
> Another thing to consider is that the  ...   Re: Chill out! (clue)   
Leo
May 10, 2001, 13:16:54
 
We run around 40 machines with Redhat, a ...   Linux companies and money   
Erik Kjær Pedersen
May 10, 2001, 13:17:51
 
> I have an off-topic question for you,  ...   Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree: read th   
Leo
May 10, 2001, 13:36:56
 
Caldera just finished acquiring SCO UNIX ...   This is about SCO, NOT linux   
J. Maynard Gelinas
May 10, 2001, 13:43:31
 
RMS has noble intentions in his naming L ...   GNU/Linux comment   
Joe Kaplenk
May 10, 2001, 13:51:52
 
Would it be legal for Caldera to distrib ...   Is this legal?   
golumb
May 10, 2001, 13:57:11
 
> Basically, I think our current economi ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree: rea   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 13:58:12
 
Just look around and tell me how much pe ...   (What?!) was Re: Don't just dismiss this   
faco
May 10, 2001, 14:00:25
 
> Now, when you look at a pile of GPL&#3 ...   Re: Re: Chill out! (clue)   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 14:02:20
 
> The BSD license allows theft, and of c ...   Re: Blech!   
Bruce
May 10, 2001, 14:09:20
 
Maybe I'm way off base on this, but  ...   Is this how Linux forks?   
davidd
May 10, 2001, 14:12:50
 
> Would it be legal for Caldera to distr ...   Re: Is this legal?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 14:18:29
 
> Ransom Love does have a point - which  ...   Re: Commercially friendly licences   
Heiko Leberer
May 10, 2001, 14:22:09
 
> > I think many who do use the GPL toda ...   Re: Re: Re: BSD Licence Instead of GPL   
Martin Vermeer
May 10, 2001, 14:33:43
 
Linus has always said that the person wh ...   Caldera code?   
Bob T.
May 10, 2001, 14:35:10
 
 Good point.  The GPL has some nice feat ...   It Is the License, Get over it.   
WdLvW
May 10, 2001, 14:39:21
 
> Well, you are wrong. The experiment ha ...   Re: It Is the License, Get over it.   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 14:56:36
 
I guess you cannot totally boycott Calde ...   LSB and Caldera   
vsp
May 10, 2001, 14:59:23
 
> Would we eliminate safety and efficacy ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree:   
Michael G.
May 10, 2001, 15:00:00
 
It's worth remembering that when Sun ...   Business use of GPL   
Larry
May 10, 2001, 15:05:50
 
1) Love is PARTIALLY correct about the G ...   GPL & BSD, Linux & *BSD   
David Acklam
May 10, 2001, 15:16:00
 
> > Basically, I think our current econo ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree:   
mark
May 10, 2001, 15:24:00
 
> How did I end up on the same side as S ...   Re: Re: Re: Blech! How did I end up on the same si   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 15:26:31
 
Well, I just now lost my liking of Calde ...   Just Lost My Liking for Caldera....   
Michael Lauzon
May 10, 2001, 15:49:23
 
BSD is the perfect license to embrace an ...   Re: (What?!) was Re: Don't just dismiss th   
Ted Clark
May 10, 2001, 16:01:07
 
Good-bye Caldera.  Rest in peace.
 ...   Rip   
Thomas Corriher
May 10, 2001, 16:02:32
 
> Still, for popular (whatever that mean ...   Re: Re: It Is the License, Get over it.   
Martin Vermeer
May 10, 2001, 16:05:43
 
Now all we need to do is to get not just ...   Superb Commentary by Rob Landley!   
MK
May 10, 2001, 16:05:51
 
> > Still, for popular (whatever that me ...   Re: Re: Re: It Is the License, Get over it.   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 16:19:09
 
 That's the problem with history: "w ...   Re: Re: Re: It Is the License, Get over it.   
WdLvW
May 10, 2001, 16:32:54
 
The programmer is king, SHE/HE chooses t ...   The programmer is king   
carlos
May 10, 2001, 16:37:38
 
 
    How is this different from the GP ...   Re: Commercially friendly licences   
Brian Kelly
May 10, 2001, 16:40:35
 
And you'll just have to trust them t ...   Hey. If they're writing it, they choose the li   
Brandioch Conner
May 10, 2001, 16:42:28
 
Their Yaking about "SCO"
not "Linux"
i ...   Re: Is this how Linux forks?   
Samuel D. Taylor
May 10, 2001, 16:48:53
 
Everyone is reacting largely to a single ...   Tempest in a teapot   
Rufus Polson
May 10, 2001, 17:11:47
 
Dean, Dean, Dean -- did some of your log ...   Re: Re: Blech! How did I end up on the same side   
AJWM
May 10, 2001, 17:49:33
 
We are experiencing a large influx of ne ...   An invasion of   
Jerry Kreps
May 10, 2001, 17:53:18
 
> Would you care to explain how releasin ...   Re: Re: Re: Blech! How did I end up on the same s   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 18:06:18
 
 Basically, I think our current economic ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree:   
Jerry Kreps
May 10, 2001, 18:23:36
 
 Now, when you look at a pile of GPL&#39 ...   Re: Re: Re: Chill out! (clue)   
Jerry Kreps
May 10, 2001, 18:39:28
 
> Aren't you mixing metaphores Dino? ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disga   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 18:41:29
 
Once Microsoft is gone, or finds an ethi ...   Re: Re: BSD Licence Instead of GPL   
Jerry Kreps
May 10, 2001, 18:51:19
 
> He appears to be asking for a retroact ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Chill out! (clue)   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
May 10, 2001, 19:12:21
 

Dean,

That "telling" is not the dif ...   Re: Try telling that to my teenager   
Fred Mobach
May 10, 2001, 19:51:23
 
> 
> Dino, what I gather from Ransom Lo ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Chill out! (clue)   
Rufus Polson
May 10, 2001, 19:59:29
 
Quote:
‘Are we saying that the only rea ...   Re: Don't just dismiss this   
Jeff B.
May 10, 2001, 20:09:59
 
The Linux kernel is but one part of a ve ...   Re: Re: Don't just dismiss this   
Jeff B.
May 10, 2001, 20:16:55
 

> Ransom Love does have a point - whic ...   Re: Commercially friendly licences   
wb
May 10, 2001, 20:23:26
 
I've said it before and I'm sayi ...   (L)GPL for basic functionality, PickYourLicense fo   
#.
May 10, 2001, 20:38:18
 
This is crap.  If you own the copyright  ...   Re: Chill out!   
Grishnakh
May 10, 2001, 20:49:07
 
The GPL was never meant to help people w ...   Re: Commercially friendly licences   
Grishnakh
May 10, 2001, 20:56:19
 
No one ever said the ONLY reason for Lin ...   Re: Don't just dismiss this   
Grishnakh
May 10, 2001, 21:07:16
 
> Another thing to consider is that the  ...   Re: Chill out!   
Robert Krawitz
May 10, 2001, 23:24:57
 
> > If you were tinkering with code cont ...   Re: Re: Re: Chill out! I totally disgaree: read th   
Robert Krawitz
May 10, 2001, 23:29:34
 

>
>You don't have to like RMS.  S ...   Re: Re: Re: Don't just dismiss this   
The other Jeff
May 11, 2001, 03:20:09
 
> This is crap. If you own the copyright ...   Re: Re: Chill out!   
R.L.
May 11, 2001, 04:11:37
 
Well, too bad for a company that is alre ...   Bye bye Caldera! :)   
Tien Lee
May 11, 2001, 05:02:45
 
"Your logic about MS APIs is very flawed ...   Re: Re: Don't just dismiss this   
Mark Grant
May 11, 2001, 08:33:19
 
How is this different from the GPL? The  ...   Re: Re: Commercially friendly licences   
Wol
May 11, 2001, 09:19:34
 
Fred,


That listening part is giving ...   Re: Re: Try telling that to my teenager   
Scooby
May 11, 2001, 13:55:07
 
Who gives a rat's ass about which li ...   Most successful open source projects...   
David Johnson
May 11, 2001, 17:40:47
 
"The basic Linux distro building is not  ...   Re: (L)GPL for basic functionality, PickYourLicens   
Katrina
Jun 4, 2001, 18:25:18
 
There is such a license, and it covers a ...   Re: Commercially friendly licences   
Douglas Fraser
Oct 16, 2002, 13:49:58
 
Assuming that you did not assign the cop ...   Re: Chill out!   
Douglas Fraser
Oct 16, 2002, 13:56:44
 
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