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Response to SCO's Open Letter
Sep 10, 2003, 12 :00 UTC (80 Talkback[s]) (83863 reads)

(Other stories by Eric S. Raymond and Bruce Perens)

[ Thanks to Gerry Tool for this link. ]

Mr. McBride, in your "Open Letter to the Open Source Community" your offer to negotiate with us comes at the end of a farrago of falsehoods, half-truths, evasions, slanders, and misrepresentations. You must do better than this. We will not attempt to erect a compromise with you on a foundation of dishonesty.

Your statement that Eric Raymond was "contacted by the perpetrator" of the DDoS attack on SCO begins the falsehoods. Mr. Raymond made very clear when volunteering his information and calling for the attack to cease that he was contacted by a third-party associate of the perpetrator and does not have the perpetrator's identity to reveal. The DDoS attack ceased, and has not resumed. Mr. Raymond subsequently received emailed thanks for his action from Blake Stowell of SCO.

Your implication that the attacks are a continuing threat, and that the President of the Open Source Initiative is continuing to shield their perpetrator, is therefore not merely both false and slanderous, but contradictory with SCO's own previous behavior. In all three respects it is what we in the open-source community have come to expect from SCO. If you are serious about negotiating with anyone, rather than simply posturing for the media, such behavior must cease.

In fact, leaders of the open-source community have acted responsibly and swiftly to end the DDoS attacks — just as we continue to act swiftly to address IP-contamination issues when they are aired in a clear and responsible manner. This history is open to public inspection in the linux-kernel archives and elsewhere, with numerous instances on record of Linus Torvalds and others refusing code in circumstances where there is reason to believe it might be compromised by third-party IP claims.

As software developers, intellectual property is our stock in trade. Whether we elect to trade our effort for money or rewards of a subtler and more enduring nature, we are instinctively respectful of concerns about IP, credit, and provenance. Our licenses (the GPL and others) work with copyright law, not against it. We reject your attempt to portray our community as a howling wilderness of IP thieves as a baseless and destructive smear.

We in the open-source community are accountable. Our source code is public, exposed to scrutiny by anyone who wishes to contest its ownership. Can SCO or any other closed-source vendor say the same? Who knows what IP violations, what stripped copyrights, what stolen techniques lurk in the depths of closed-source code? Indeed, not only SCO's past representations that it was merging GPLed Linux technology into SCO Unix but Judge Debevoise's rulings in the last big lawsuit on Unix IP rights suggest strongly that SCO should clean up its own act before daring to accuse others of theft.

SCO taxes IBM and others with failing to provide warranties or indemnify users against third-party IP claims, conveniently neglecting to mention that the warranties and indemnities offered by SCO and others such as Microsoft are carefully worded so that the vendor's liability is limited to the software purchase price, They thus offer no actual shield against liability claims or damages. They are, in a word, shams designed to lull users into a false sense of security -- a form of sham which we believe you press on us solely as posturing, rather than out of any genuine concern for users. We in the open-source community, and our corporate allies, refuse to play that dishonest game.

You invite us to negotiate, but you have persistently refused to state a negotiable claim. You have made allegations of a million lines of copied code which are mathematically impossible given the known, publicly accessible history of Linux development. You have uttered vast conspiracy theories which fail to be vague only where they are slanderous and insulting. You have already been compelled to abandon major claims — such as the ownership of SMP technology alleged in your original complaint against IBM — on showings that they were false, and that you knew or should have known them to be false,

Accordingly, we of the open-source community do not concede that there is anything to negotiate. Linux is our work and our lawful property, the distillation of twelve years of hard work, idealism, creativity, tears, joy, and sweat by hundreds of thousands of cooperating hackers all over the world. It is not yours, has never been yours, and will never be yours.

If you wish to make a respectable case for contamination, show us the code. Disclose the overlaps. Specify file by file and line by line which code you believe to be infringing, and on what grounds. We will swiftly meet our responsibilities under law, either removing the allegedly infringing code or establishing that it entered Linux by routes which foreclose proprietary claims.

Yours truly,
Eric Raymond
Bruce Perens

Related Stories:
CNET News: SCO Warns Open-Source Community(Sep 09, 2003)
eWeek: Will Linux Luminary 'Shred' SCO's Unix Claims?(Sep 09, 2003)


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
While SCO is criticizing Open Source sof ...   SCO ships Open Source Software   
Bear Pipe
Sep 10, 2003, 05:46:09
 
What?! Perens and ESR working together?  ...   Hear, hear!   
XYZ
Sep 10, 2003, 06:11:55
 
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Dar ...   To be more precise..   
Mike R.
Sep 10, 2003, 06:16:44
 
I am a pessimistic kind of person and te ...   good letter   
paai
Sep 10, 2003, 06:31:02
 
"Linux is our work and our lawful proper ...   Simply honesty   
Peteris Krisjanis
Sep 10, 2003, 07:10:24
 
To have prepared this response they had  ...   I gotta hand it to these guys   
Eric Laffoon
Sep 10, 2003, 07:18:03
 
if these whole brohahaa from the start o ...   if these were a boxing match   
Xunil Ung
Sep 10, 2003, 07:48:25
 
Dear SCOWe do not believe that you are d ...   How about...   
IanM
Sep 10, 2003, 08:17:03
 
Thanks Eric and Bruce. Well done.  ...   Very fine   
Bob
Sep 10, 2003, 08:32:21
 
Not only could SCO learn a thing or two  ...   Now *that's* an open letter   
Andy Parkins
Sep 10, 2003, 09:19:23
 
In other words, put up or shut up!  All  ...   SCO hot air   
denis
Sep 10, 2003, 09:42:04
 
The public discussion is misleading. SCO ...   SCO clains not the code but the idea behind unix   
Ralph
Sep 10, 2003, 09:43:59
 
SCO should at least Make a good faith at ...   Atta boy Bruce   
Samuel Taylor
Sep 10, 2003, 10:14:48
 
Once again, Eric Raymond speaks eloquent ...   SCO Extortion   
Steve Baldwin
Sep 10, 2003, 10:41:39
 
Thank you for providing an answer for al ...   Thank you Mr. Perens, Mr. Raymond...   
David Siska
Sep 10, 2003, 11:21:28
 
... or eithaf reit as we say in our cute ...   Quite Right   
Peter Bradley
Sep 10, 2003, 11:25:52
 
I think the following line:"Linux is our ...   Not just   
Daniel G. Rodriguez
Sep 10, 2003, 11:39:59
 
subject says it all.  ...   AMEN!   
scharkalvin
Sep 10, 2003, 12:02:29
 
I applaud the efforts of both Eric and B ...   Time for another SCO drama   
Glen
Sep 10, 2003, 12:42:04
 
> The public discussion is misleading. S ...   Re: SCO clains not the code but the idea behind un   
Bruce
Sep 10, 2003, 12:48:18
 
Especially about the point where they sa ...   Good Letter... Darl et al should read   
Nicholas Donovan
Sep 10, 2003, 12:52:35
 
Nothing could be so much truer than what ...   Get them where it hurts!   
Roni M. Oliva
Sep 10, 2003, 12:52:59
 
darl mcbride refers to the OSS community ...   an interesting definition of   
rday
Sep 10, 2003, 12:56:15
 
The reason open-source software and the  ...   Thank you!   
Chad McCullough
Sep 10, 2003, 12:58:34
 
but its effect is to do little more than ...   Okay, so this is cathartic and all that,   
Tim Hanson
Sep 10, 2003, 13:07:18
 
We don't negotiate with Tecnology Te ...   One Small Thing I Would Add...   
Nicholas Donovan
Sep 10, 2003, 13:14:57
 
Now if we can just get IBM or Redhat to  ...   PRNewswire   
Ken
Sep 10, 2003, 13:22:08
 
> Thank you for providing an answer for  ...   Re: Thank you Mr. Perens, Mr. Raymond...   
Chris Marshall
Sep 10, 2003, 13:24:02
 
 To have prepared this response they had ...   Re: I gotta hand it to these guys   
Ngwenya
Sep 10, 2003, 13:45:08
 
> The public discussion is misleading. S ...   Re: SCO clains not the code but the idea behind un   
Glen
Sep 10, 2003, 13:46:57
 
> The public discussion is misleading. S ...   Re: SCO clains not the code but the idea behind un   
Wogster
Sep 10, 2003, 13:51:04
 
SCO was just snapped with a wet towel.  ...   Ouch   
Simon
Sep 10, 2003, 14:31:31
 
"We in the open-source community are acc ...   Reading between the lines   
Jim McCormick
Sep 10, 2003, 14:37:10
 
Agreed. It's deeply offensive and fr ...   Re: Re: Thank you Mr. Perens, Mr. Raymond...   
spiff
Sep 10, 2003, 14:45:13
 
SCO is one of the best to happen to the  ...   SCO is Good for Us   
Torsten
Sep 10, 2003, 15:02:45
 
Right on Daniel.  .Though I know otherwi ...   not 'hackers'   
cooperating volunteer
Sep 10, 2003, 15:03:38
 
 They can't have it both ways ... Yo ...   Re: SCO ships Open Source Software   
Charles Hixson
Sep 10, 2003, 15:09:34
 
> but its effect is to do little more th ...   Re: Okay, so this is cathartic and all that,   
MartinV
Sep 10, 2003, 15:37:08
 
This is the kind of thing that gives me  ...   Way to go guys, thanks!   
codez
Sep 10, 2003, 15:46:11
 
>For the past six months, SCO-scum has b ...   recap   
blacklight
Sep 10, 2003, 15:49:27
 
SCO has insulted the Linux community. Th ...   Re: Simply honesty   
cyzedx
Sep 10, 2003, 16:44:28
 
It's been my belief all along that t ...   Re: Reading between the lines   
gern blanston
Sep 10, 2003, 16:47:58
 
I thought this was an excellent letter t ...   great letter!   
Brian Johnson
Sep 10, 2003, 16:48:11
 
McBride does not seem to understand that ...   No mention about "business model"   
Sheng Long Gradilla
Sep 10, 2003, 16:57:22
 
>  To have prepared this response they h ...   Re: Re: I gotta hand it to these guys   
Martin Leweling
Sep 10, 2003, 17:19:40
 
> The public discussion is misleading. S ...   Re: SCO clains not the code but the idea behind un   
Bill
Sep 10, 2003, 17:46:12
 
I just want to say, that you have our vo ...   You have our voice Mr. Raymond   
Carlos Vermejo
Sep 10, 2003, 17:54:27
 
Alas, no amount of unbounded greed, reck ...   alas   
blacklight
Sep 10, 2003, 18:42:33
 
>> To have prepared this response they h ...   Re: I gotta hand it to these guys   
Llywrch
Sep 10, 2003, 18:43:25
 
"SCO ships Open Source Software While SC ...   Re: Re: SCO ships Open Source Software   
drew Roberts
Sep 10, 2003, 18:55:05
 
> McBride does not seem to understand th ...   Re: No mention about   
drew Roberts
Sep 10, 2003, 19:00:56
 
Thanks for that wonderfully stated lette ...   Well Said   
Jim
Sep 10, 2003, 19:27:45
 
Nuff said.  ...   What is there to be said?   
Alfredo Peine
Sep 10, 2003, 20:03:05
 
Way to go, ESR and Perens! Very well put ...   Yeah baby!   
Joseph Dunn
Sep 10, 2003, 20:24:58
 
We all that Bruce wrote this by himself. ...   Bruce   
Reginald Fragger IV
Sep 10, 2003, 20:53:47
 
Is there no "Member of the Open Source C ...   Proofreading?   
Grammar!
Sep 10, 2003, 20:58:24
 
> > McBride does not seem to understand  ...   Re: Re: No mention about   
Daniel
Sep 10, 2003, 21:28:57
 
While I think SCO is wrong about who own ...   A little about IP   
Private
Sep 10, 2003, 21:32:14
 
It is great letter!!I have been waiting  ...   It is great letter!!   
Terry Lim
Sep 10, 2003, 21:45:36
 
simple words that deserve an amen AMEN!  ...   ah, How do u spell relief   
higgy
Sep 10, 2003, 22:03:37
 
This is all interesting... but this mess ...   Press Release   
James
Sep 10, 2003, 22:13:28
 
This is how *real* leaders speak. It gav ...   Real Leaders   
Ryan McDougall
Sep 11, 2003, 00:03:39
 
Eric Raymond and Bruce Perens prove indi ...   Response to SCO's Open Letter publication at y   
Ben Baston
Sep 11, 2003, 00:11:34
 
>SCO is just the latest example in a lon ...   Re: A little about IP   
Arb A. Arbiter
Sep 11, 2003, 01:10:57
 
Wonderfully worded. "Linux is our work a ...   Exactly!!   
Brian K.
Sep 11, 2003, 02:42:21
 
> The public discussion is misleading. S ...   Re: SCO clains not the code but the idea behind un   
Jean-Sebastien Gasse
Sep 11, 2003, 03:04:12
 
This is an absolutely superb response to ...   Absolutely Superb!   
Ethan Rider
Sep 11, 2003, 04:06:42
 
Bruce, Eric - bravo! A refreshing, artic ...   Bravo   
James Richards
Sep 11, 2003, 04:30:45
 
Gentlemen:Thank you. Thank you. I must s ...   Kudos   
Wasim Baig
Sep 11, 2003, 04:58:23
 
This resonse is great, very clear and ve ...   Great response   
Zeno Davatz
Sep 11, 2003, 06:20:49
 
thank you  ...   yep   
jenicek
Sep 11, 2003, 08:23:16
 
The whole SCO issue does bring to light  ...   In 1 respect SCO is right   
Tom Peters
Sep 11, 2003, 10:43:23
 
As a minor contributor to open source so ...   But for whom do they speak?   
Phil Carmody
Sep 11, 2003, 12:55:13
 
I like your style. Put the boot where it ...   SCO Responce   
Alfred E Andrews
Sep 11, 2003, 13:50:15
 
>Statement: "OS projects are vulnerable  ...   Re: Tom Peters   
blacklight
Sep 11, 2003, 15:34:32
 
I commend Eric for coordinating his resp ...   I commend Eric   
blacklight
Sep 11, 2003, 15:41:29
 
The letter from Eric Raymond and Bruce P ...   response to SCO's open letter   
Manny
Sep 11, 2003, 16:52:14
 
I have heard enough used car salesmen in ...   Who's zoomin who??   
Felix S******
Sep 11, 2003, 18:31:04
 
Applause for ESR's dignified and tho ...   Respect to ESR   
Robert Barlow
Sep 17, 2003, 09:44:00
 
Mr McBride, you remind me of James Tagga ...   Mr McBride, you remind me of James Taggart, in Ayn   
Ankush Kapoor
Jun 24, 2004, 10:22:08
 
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