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:Editor's Note: Forcing a Choice
Editor's Note: Forcing a Choice
Nov 14, 2003, 23 :30 UTC (82 Talkback[s]) (18021 reads)

(Other stories by Brian Proffitt)

By Brian Proffitt
Managing Editor

Linux is about choice. We all know that. You choose one distro, I choose another. You choose vi, I choose emacs. Some like Pepsi, some like Coke, I like Dr. Pepper. And so on.

A while back, I chose to start using Red Hat. I moved to it from SuSE Linux, mostly because I wanted to use Ximian GNOME, and it seemed easier to just shift over to Red Hat, which had better support for Ximian at the time. (Of course, that's all about to change, isn't it?)

I grew to like Red Hat, because of Ximian GNOME, because of the Red Hat Network which kept me up-to-date without having to actively seek out security updates, and because of all of those ephemeral things that make for a satisfying experience. When Red Hat 9 came out, I downloaded the Shrike ISOs, burned them, and happily upgraded.

I have quite a bit of work invested into my system, mostly tweaking and tuning to deliver content to Linux Today in an efficient manner. It goes a bit beyond this system, too. Having Red Hat on my main box and Yellow Dog on my laptop made it very easy to mirror files and tools on either system.

This is not about me giving a plug for Red Hat. I like what I like, you like what you like, and we're all cool. Except now things have changed and I am not sure what the future holds.

In April, 2004, Red Hat will officially drop support for Red Hat 9, which leaves me with making a choice on what to do next. Do I shift to Fedora? Or move to another distro altogether? Because as of last week, I am one of those Red hat users that's about to be orphaned from their distro.

A lot of people have pointed out to me that this is really no different than any other end-of-life. If I was using Red Hat 6.0, I would have long since upgraded to something with actual support, unless of course I chose to live without it.

But this really is a different situation, because there isn't anything to upgrade to. There is no Red Hat 10 down the line. Now there's Fedora. Or the Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) line. I can rule out the latter right away, because even on the company's nickel, I am not sanguine about spending that kind of money.

Fedora is the planned successor to Red Hat Linux and I sincerely hope this turns out to be the case. But it is never going to be exactly like Red Hat.

This is not me speculating based on one or two reviews. This is me after hearing it straight from the horse's mouth, when executives from Red Hat told me directly that Fedora will indeed serve as the testbed for much of the enterprise line of Red Hat. Fedora is their chance to try things on the bleeding edge and get the kinks worked out before they bring some new functionality into RHEL.

This is all well and good for Red Hat, but it is not really what I need. I like cutting edge stuff just as much as the next user, but I have web sites to run. Software to examine. I don't have the time or the inclination to play around with glitches. I need something that works, is stable, and when I absolutely can't figure it out on JustLinux, LinuxQuestions.org, or my network of guru friends, something that offers technical support.

Am I being too lazy? Perhaps, considering my background and experience. But it's for sure that my concerns are shared by other users who don't even have the technical background I do--people who just want to turn their boxes on and use them. People who need live support.

I realize I sound grossly unfair to the Fedora developers by making the presumption that there will be problems. Maybe there won't be and maybe I am worrying for nothing. But when I hear terms like "testbed" being bandied about by Red Hat itself, I tend to get concerned. Over time, I am confident that any issues that do crop up in Fedora will be handled just as well as they are in any other big OS project, like Debian, OpenOffice, or Mozilla, just to name a few.

My problem is, do I want to wait?

So here I am, humming the lines to The Clash's "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" in may head. Fedora could be the upgrade path for my needs, but SUSE, Mandrake, Gentoo, and Debian each offer attractive options as well. Debian especially, since there seems to be a resurgence in getting it ready for the enterprise.

In terms of life's crisises, this one is really very small and I am sure that be the end of the proverbial day all will be well again.

What still bothers me is not that I have all these choices but that after I finally made a choice I was happy with, I might have to do it all over again.

Related Stories:
SearchEnterpriseLinux: Experts: Red Hat Made 'Smart Business Decision'(Nov 14, 2003)
Linux Journal: Fedora at a Glance(Nov 13, 2003)
InfoWorld: Red Hat Users Balk at Enterprise Linux Licensing(Nov 11, 2003)
The Register: Red Hat's Fedora Released--The Upgrade Path for the Rest of Us?(Nov 06, 2003)


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
It sounds to me what you really want is  ...   You gotta pay to play   
James Ryan
Nov 15, 2003, 00:05:20
 
"The decision to drop the Red Hat consum ...   Not Fedora.....   
Chad
Nov 15, 2003, 00:08:37
 
Go with Debian.It's the distro that& ...   From one friend to another   
Debian Fan
Nov 15, 2003, 00:15:05
 
All of your comments are well-taken--for ...   Debian--get use to it   
Anonymous
Nov 15, 2003, 00:23:50
 
I feel your pain and agony at what Redha ...   Which Way????????&   
JD. Brown
Nov 15, 2003, 00:26:22
 
I'm giving Gentoo a whirl.Hasn't ...   As a RH user since 5.0...   
bobzibub
Nov 15, 2003, 00:32:15
 
Nice article, Brian. I'm extremely b ...   Well said.   
Surreal
Nov 15, 2003, 00:46:23
 
RH7.1 & 7.2 was a testbed for RHEL v2.1R ...   fedora   
hkn
Nov 15, 2003, 00:48:07
 
First, Fedora really is what the "free"  ...   two comments   
Florin Andrei
Nov 15, 2003, 00:53:17
 
I can tell by your tone...you have no in ...   No Change   
Mike
Nov 15, 2003, 01:03:22
 
> This is me after hearing it straight f ...   What has changed?   
Anil Wang
Nov 15, 2003, 01:10:05
 
Doesn't mater as I've been bit t ...   Having being bit ...   
OMG
Nov 15, 2003, 01:12:19
 
Oh mommy, redhat took my distrooooO!Quit ...   Stop whining please!   
Alex Borges
Nov 15, 2003, 01:18:55
 
Brian, I just wanted to respond because  ...   life is change   
Clifton Hyatt
Nov 15, 2003, 01:32:37
 
I wonder if such a thing like a "testbed ...   Testbed for Fedora   
migrator
Nov 15, 2003, 01:48:33
 
I have Fedora Core 1 installed as my mai ...   Feora IS solid   
Gerry
Nov 15, 2003, 02:11:00
 
>"I have quite a bit of work invested in ...   Re: Forcing a choice   
Harry Nicholls
Nov 15, 2003, 02:22:19
 
The best linux distro I've ever trie ...   Libranet wants you.   
Mark Ricketts
Nov 15, 2003, 02:23:44
 
Of course, now that Novell is buying SuS ...   You could try SuSE   
SusE Fan
Nov 15, 2003, 02:30:07
 
Having used EVERY version of Red Hat sin ...   RHL: always testbed   
Douglas S. Keester
Nov 15, 2003, 02:39:07
 
everybody can whine and complain or try  ...   Mandrake is for the people   
patrick_darcy
Nov 15, 2003, 03:18:43
 
Never used it myself - and haven't f ...   Mandrake?   
IanM
Nov 15, 2003, 03:32:45
 
Yes you can upgrade from RH 9.0 TO RHEL  ...   Re: Re: Forcing a choice   
FWP
Nov 15, 2003, 03:35:11
 
When you've been around as long as I ...   Business as usual   
Stephen Savitzky
Nov 15, 2003, 04:00:33
 
I found the webcast infohere it isHow to ...   Re: Re: Re: Forcing a choice   
FWP
Nov 15, 2003, 04:09:11
 
For the price RH is going to, it is more ...   My $.02   
Doug
Nov 15, 2003, 04:53:26
 
I find Slackware a quite nice desktop OS ...   Consider Slackware, then...   
Anonymous Reader
Nov 15, 2003, 05:16:50
 
RH is very clear about its intentions: F ...   Red Hat seeks unpaid employees.   
Ilde Giron
Nov 15, 2003, 05:53:35
 
> Yes you can upgrade from RH 9.0 TO RHE ...   Re: Forcing a choice   
Harry Nicholls
Nov 15, 2003, 05:57:14
 
I am not worried about it. I have a spar ...   Fedora and Red Hat   
Rick
Nov 15, 2003, 06:00:42
 
Another option is a rebuild of RHEL.  Th ...   RHEL Rebuilds   
John Morris
Nov 15, 2003, 06:50:44
 
you don't seam to get it, everything ...   don't get it...   
paul-artriedes
Nov 15, 2003, 07:08:13
 
Having been faced with the same spiritua ...   Debian/Knoppix is the solution   
Brent
Nov 15, 2003, 08:06:46
 
Mandrake would be my choice. It's be ...   Mandrake   
CFBMoo1
Nov 15, 2003, 13:01:18
 
I ran RH9 for several months as my prima ...   Fedora 1.0 is good   
smthmlk
Nov 15, 2003, 13:13:22
 
You owe it to yourself to try Xandros:   ...   Xandros   
cc
Nov 15, 2003, 13:18:08
 
Brian,thanks for writing this article. I ...   Re: Forcing A Choice   
John Holmblad
Nov 15, 2003, 14:31:20
 
Linux is about to get to the top of the  ...   Do Distributions really matter   
Wogster
Nov 15, 2003, 14:37:17
 
apt-get update && apt-get distupgrade..  ...   Obligatory Debian pitch   
Don
Nov 15, 2003, 15:42:17
 
I've moved from RH to SuSE to Mandra ...   My experience   
GreyGeek
Nov 15, 2003, 15:57:35
 
Doug,it appears to me that Redhat has re ...   Redhat Pricing Vs Microsoft   
John Holmblad
Nov 15, 2003, 16:06:45
 
Ilde,I respectfully disagree with your p ...   Redhat's Intentions   
John Holmblad
Nov 15, 2003, 16:21:01
 
This just occurred to me but I think it& ...   Reasons to 'Give it away' ala MS "piracy"   
Necron99
Nov 15, 2003, 16:29:23
 
Harry,as my other posts this morning sug ...   Upgrade =| Migrate   
John Holmblad
Nov 15, 2003, 16:38:36
 
Having cut my teeth on RedHat  starting  ...   Audre RedHat, parting is such sorrow   
George Van Tuyl
Nov 15, 2003, 16:50:46
 
Others have recommended you look at Debi ...   Libranet and Debian   
brm
Nov 15, 2003, 17:41:15
 
everybody seems to be recommending their ...   Gentoo is eeezy   
Philip Webb
Nov 15, 2003, 19:17:01
 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn& ...   The issue is product lifetime --> upgrade hassles   
Karl
Nov 15, 2003, 21:09:35
 
Debian for servers is easy to upgrade, s ...   Re: Debian--get use to it   
luis
Nov 16, 2003, 00:51:35
 
The old hack about the effects of power  ...   The Next Microsoft - Red Hat...   
Blaine Miller
Nov 16, 2003, 00:53:24
 
So RedHat is going to take open source c ...   Time to move on   
snowdog
Nov 16, 2003, 08:06:17
 
Perhaps the secretaries complain about s ...   Re: Stop whining please!   
Pax
Nov 16, 2003, 10:50:42
 
FreeBSD is much more stable that any lin ...   Use FreeBSD   
Cody Chapman
Nov 16, 2003, 14:01:04
 
> Just look at the plethora of aggressiv ...   Re: two comments   
James Jones
Nov 16, 2003, 14:15:50
 
That may be part of it, but it doesn&#39 ...   Re: You gotta pay to play   
Jav
Nov 16, 2003, 14:18:24
 
While RH doesn't have per seat licen ...   Re: Redhat Pricing Vs Microsoft   
jav
Nov 16, 2003, 14:21:52
 
I used Red Hat since version 4.2 until v ...   Red Hat Blues? Just Switch to Mandrake 9.2   
Victor Rossetti
Nov 16, 2003, 14:36:17
 
> If my perception is INCORRECT (that is ...   Re: Upgrade =| Migrate   
Bruce
Nov 16, 2003, 16:53:20
 
> FreeBSD is much more stable that any l ...   NO! (Re: Use FreeBSD)   
Bruce
Nov 16, 2003, 17:51:57
 
I've moved from Red Hat to Slackware ...   Slackware: use Linux, don't fight it   
MSa
Nov 16, 2003, 18:10:11
 
It's understandable for Red Hat to p ...   Red Hat's Decisions   
Tom
Nov 16, 2003, 21:24:39
 
After getting sick of people telling me  ...   Re: Slackware: use Linux, don't fight it   
Tom
Nov 16, 2003, 21:30:48
 
Ya but your lovely RedHat just ripped th ...   Re: NO! (Re: Use FreeBSD)   
Cody Chapman
Nov 16, 2003, 22:01:03
 
I too have had lockups with Nvidia cards ...   Nvidia lockups and stabilty   
Baz
Nov 16, 2003, 22:08:32
 
> All of your comments are well-taken--f ...   Re: Debian--get use to it   
ac
Nov 16, 2003, 22:48:25
 
Brian's text aside (and it does pres ...   And here we go again...   
Bojan Smojver
Nov 17, 2003, 00:42:47
 
Two pointsProbably the best known exampl ...   RE: Re: two comments   
Steve George
Nov 17, 2003, 12:52:14
 
I recently tried many different version  ...   Re: Gentoo is eeezy   
Eric Bursley
Nov 17, 2003, 14:52:50
 
What I want to know is, how will this ef ...   Red Hat   
Joseph A. Dydula
Nov 17, 2003, 14:54:13
 
"What has changed?"What has changed is t ...   Re: What has changed?   
Harlan
Nov 17, 2003, 15:46:39
 
> Ya but your lovely RedHat just ripped  ...   Re: Re: NO! (Re: Use FreeBSD)   
Bruce
Nov 17, 2003, 16:31:28
 
> What I want to know is, how will this  ...   Re: Red Hat   
ac
Nov 17, 2003, 17:19:26
 
Just a few notes in reply to Eric Bursle ...   Re: Re: Gentoo is eeezy   
C. Whitman
Nov 17, 2003, 17:25:01
 
If i am biased about freebsd then why wo ...   Re: Re: Re: NO! (Re: Use FreeBSD)   
Cody Chapman
Nov 17, 2003, 19:14:12
 
Fedora is as solid as Jello.    ...   Re: Feora IS solid   
Cody Chapman
Nov 17, 2003, 19:39:04
 
Since I endup scripting my config anyway ...   Went back to slackware   
BassPlayer
Nov 17, 2003, 21:20:28
 
> BTW if you havent tried fedora yet, do ...   Fedora Bugs (Re: Re: NO! (Re: Use FreeBSD))   
CETIV
Nov 17, 2003, 21:43:56
 
Why not put fedora on the rhn. That woul ...   if fedora-rhn   
tony nichols
Nov 18, 2003, 18:40:08
 
that linux is not ready for the desktop. ...   More upsetting is CEO statements   
Larry
Nov 19, 2003, 20:51:30
 
last i heard, you had to pay for live te ...   umm...   
Ryan Mesler
Nov 23, 2003, 15:55:23
 
I see lots of comments with suggestions  ...   What about RHN & up2date?   
David Good
Jan 13, 2004, 17:17:43
 
I'm a newbie and can't say much, ...   I hope and trust for the best.   
Bernard
May 31, 2004, 05:42:23
 
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