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Editor's Note: Sexism in FOSS
Sep 18, 2009, 23 :27 UTC (168 Talkback[s]) (9705 reads)

(Other stories by Carla Schroder)

by Carla Schroder
Managing Editor

Let's begin with what this is not about. It is not about war, hunger, poverty, or any of the other evils of the world. It is not about racism, ageism, xenophobia, non-Free software, closed hardware, Microsoft, or any of the other problems in FOSS. I'm getting that out of the way up front because every time this discussion happens a bunch of folks drag in all these other woes of the world. Not because they care about them, but because the subject of sexism towards women in FOSS is too hot for them to handle. I care very much about a wide range of issues, as do most people. I'm not talking about them today.

Today is about sexism towards women in FOSS. It is about treating women differently, and poorly, just for being women. It is about doing harm to FOSS. There are a number of reasons why the participation of women in FOSS is so low, around 1.5%, and cruddy treatment of women is a big one. I don't know if it is worse in FOSS than in other arenas, and I don't care-- I'm not grading on a curve. One more thing I am not saying is that all men are horrible and all women are angels. Duh. I hate having to spell these things out, but if I don't someone will misrepresent what I said.

This is part 1 of a series. As Bruce Byfield said earlier this week, "A culture of denial". As a significant number of people can't seem to grasp that this is a real problem without having it spelled out in large letters, today's segment of this series is a collection of real-life horror stories. This is a very tiny sampling. Next week I'll talk about what is being done to fix it, and what more can be done.

Before you read any more please do everyone a favor-- if you're not willing to be honest, to read, and think, and take it seriously, and if all you want to do is post how wrong I am and spout all the usual stupid and wrong reasons why women are not into FOSS, and how you know better than us what our experiences are, don't bother. Go away and do something else. We'll all be better off.

Some of these are not work-safe. Very not-work-safe.

Conferences Are Fun!

This one is so graphic I'm not going to quote any of it here. Please read Prude or Professional? to learn about the amazing presentation at a supposedly professional Flash conference. Presented by Hoss Gifford, it included graphic drawings of male and female genitalia, and his talk included some foul language. There was a big backlash thanks to the publicity on Geek Girls Guide. Note to folks who think crudeness and juvenile sexual imagery is "edgy": it isn't, it's cliche and creatively bankrupt, and it shows you have no idea how to present your material in a genuinely engaging, interesting way. Just like dropping F-bombs because you can't think of something interesting to say. Mr. Gifford's "apology" is also on Geek Girls Guide.

Fun With Ruby!

I'm sure some readers are thinking "That was a Flash conference, who cares that's not FOSS." True, it isn't, though it is an essential Linux application. Here is one closer to home, Matt Aimonetti's infamous Perform Like a Pr0n Star presentation at the Golden Gate Ruby Conference last spring.

Thanks a Lot, Linux Journal

Linux Journal's publisher is a woman, Carlie Fairchild, which goes to show that lack of good judgment is not gender-related. This ad appeared in a couple of their 2007 issues, a dopey ad recycled from 2000. I had a hand in raising a fuss. The publisher never bothered to respond to any of my requests for comment, though I was bombarded with "Please lay off!" requests from the all-male writing staff, who might have been worried for their paychecks. There are still a tiny minority of women in any roles at Linux Journal. None on the advisory board, and no authors. Not a one. There is no shortage of great women tech authors; I wish I could hire all of them for LinuxPlanet. (Current LinuxPlanet regular authors are Akkana Peck, Juliet Kemp, Eric Geier, and Paul Ferrill.)

Fun on Mailing Lists!

"! Female syntax
I insist a 'female user' is simply anyone that isn't a professional (and indeed feels more like a child):"

This charmer referred to a female member of the list as "it":

">Please don't blame Lana for this thread.

Why not? It was *it* who made the first 'guys' comment (hijacking an unrelated) thread, leading to this current thread.

Anyway, my point is not personal but addresses a common attitude that I came across a few times. I do not 'blame' - I 'disagree', respectfully I hope."

Yep, that's real respectful.

Fun IRL!

"Svaksha" is a developer:

"The usual personal mails asking for personal details under the guise of "I want to volunteer" or guised as a personal interview (since when did marital status become relevant to FLOSS contribution?). Another peculiar one was a guy writing emails in 5 different scripts despite my requests that I didnt understand them. It was when I requested a friend to translate them that I realised why -- personal questions in a non-English script meant fewer people would know he was asking personal questions."

Fun in the Workplace!

"I could tell plenty of stories about sexism and incidents but here is one over-arching pattern that has affected me over the last 20 years of work in the industry.   During nearly all interviews for  programming jobs (with one exception) I've been interviewed by all male teams. Somewhere in the course of the interview, often more than once, my gender comes up in the context of them being surprised, bewildered, curious that I am a woman who "likes computers" along with questions about how I got into computer geekery, programming, or whatever.  I've tried different strategies of response, earnestness or casualness or light humor, but it remains that my future teams have exposed that they think of me as a kind of talking dog.

"This goes along with being told in interviews and then after being hired that their expectation is that I will as a woman provide some mystical motherly or girly quality to their team that they lack, often of warmth, social cohesiveness, being nicer and making everyone else be nicer, emotional support of the team or nurturing connections with people outside the team.  

"Meanwhile, women who are outside my all male teams react with their own bundle of expectations and more or less talking-dog treatment; my having some technical expertise is often seen as threatening, they can't stop mentioning it, putting themselves and their skills down, and in general acting as if I am freakishly outside my gender role.

"It also goes along with social isolation from work teams and being assigned to projects no one else wants.

"I have mostly gone into jobs wanting to work on cool projects, not be the "angel in the office."

"Adapting to this attitude by trying to de-emphasize traditionally feminine traits or characteristics, fitting in, being "one of the guys", sometimes has some success and leads to more acceptance by a team of guys. But it also can lead unpredictably to hostility because being non-gender normative has its own bundle of associations and bigotries.   Guys are ready to point out any time a girly characteristic and they often freely use "like a girl" as an insult among themselves. There is also a problem of, if people want you to be the Angel in the Office, and you refuse that part of a job and aren't a smiling provider of warmth and light, there can be a backlash."

More Fun at Conferences!

"It was the end of a conference where I had been a speaker. As my husband and I sat down to join a bunch of conference goers at the pub, the gentleman next to me asked, in all sincerity, whether I was one of the partners (spouses).

"I was so surprised I couldn't work out what to say, other than "no", but I wanted to say something else. My husband chimed in with "She was an award winner last year", which made no impact, and I eventually said, "No, I was a speaker". Oddly this didn't make things better, and he continued to talk on about the partners' program and how he wish he'd known about it in advance so he could have brought his wife. Perhaps he didn't believe me, because I still couldn't answer his questions about what they got up to."

Natalee Thompson shares these gems:

"# MemCache Store – MemCache is a program designed specifically for high performance memory caching. It’s not written in Ruby, but it’s damn fast and it’s what all the big boys use."

Ok. Some context: language that is exclusive to females and inclusive to male developers has got to go. Each time I come across this exclusion-jargon, I die a little inside, and lose a little respect for the source of the material. I feel like it is almost an intentional barrier put in place by the groups who continue to try to keep 'us' out, like an unspoken right of passage you can only get to if you are male.

"Our company outsources the majority of our Rails application to a Belarussian company. When one of their team moved to the States to work in our office, he willingly told me that his boss didn't hire girls because they were too emotional, and he hasn't hired any to this day, despite qualified applicants, 'because they might cry if they don't get the job'."

Fun With Getting Numb

"Many women IRL also tend to play down sexual  assaults and similar incidents of harassments in the work space. Its when I ask them about specific examples that the skeletons keep tumbling out. I am wildly speculating that the frequency of sexism makes women (and maybe men too?) develop a mental immunity which helps them get on with their work/task at hand. I hope that does not sound like an excuse but just maybe the human brain is wired to forget the negative stuff after some time in order that we can get on with life."

My Own Fun Adventures

Where to start...for me FOSS has been the best and the worst. Great people and great opportunities; and some of the worst twits ever. Being told I write great howtos for a girl, and that girls are naturally better at writing..not being able to get any Linux sys/network admin jobs when I know I'm way more qualified than the rude young white male twits that get hired...getting hit on, my body as a topic of conversation like I'm not even there, seeing rage flash in a man's eyes when I stand up to him, and that rage is not there for men...being ignored and dismissed and having to push a hundred times as hard to get recognition...for a time I used a man's name online because I was so tired of the garbage, and what a difference. Suddenly there was respect. If Linux and FOSS were not so cool and rewarding, if I were not so stubborn, I would have moved on to something else long ago. Because nobody should be expected to endure so much crap under any circumstances.

I shall end with one of my favorite quotations: "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people." Come back next week for a roundup of projects that are trying to make things better, and more things that need to be done.


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Here is something I have learned, painfu ...   ventilation is good, but...   
Greg P
Sep 19, 2009, 00:24:09
 
Carla:It's harrowing just reading ab ...   Good article - thanks!   
Bruce Byfield
Sep 19, 2009, 01:01:28
 
Personally; as nothing more than a hacke ...   Agreed   
Jay Fink
Sep 19, 2009, 01:42:34
 
that isn't the point and ultimately  ...   Your missing it   
Jay Fink
Sep 19, 2009, 01:48:16
 
Do you have any ideas what to do about i ...   What to do?   
Adam Williamson
Sep 19, 2009, 01:49:03
 
The cited article commits the non-sequit ...   Real Progress   
Simplicissimus
Sep 19, 2009, 02:01:35
 
Natalee's contribution:.>Ok. Some co ...   Dear Natalee   
Simplicissimus
Sep 19, 2009, 02:39:42
 
Allow me to offer a challenge to Mr. Gre ...   A Challenge   
Emery Fletcher
Sep 19, 2009, 02:42:11
 
1.5% of women in FOSS has nothing to do  ...   You must be kidding me, right?   
Ene Dene
Sep 19, 2009, 03:15:02
 
I still think that many jobs have revers ...   sexism is a too way street   
Guy Laliberte
Sep 19, 2009, 03:25:24
 
First you say:It is not about racismThen ...   Hypocrisy in your own words.   
nathan
Sep 19, 2009, 03:26:38
 
Simplicissimus,You didn't actually * ...   Try reading the article?   
Aurelius
Sep 19, 2009, 03:59:58
 
> This  issue of the shameful treatment  ...   Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
Simplicissimus
Sep 19, 2009, 04:03:53
 
Er...did you read the intro?  She said t ...   Stay tuned for next week then   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:14:32
 
It's about privilege.  The most priv ...   Privilege   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:14:40
 
*rolls eyes*You're taking things out ...   Re: Hypocrisy in your own words.   
Brian W
Sep 19, 2009, 04:18:06
 
After reading your comment I did a $ cat ...   The Hacker Manifesto   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:23:03
 
You're right. It's just "man" an ...   Yeah   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:23:08
 
Call others out on their BS when they&#3 ...   Call them on it   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:23:12
 
Wow, long comment, but I can dispute the ...   FLOSSPOLS   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:27:03
 
So what gene on the Y chromosome makes p ...   So they've found the comp-sci gene on the Y ch   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:40:25
 
"Seriously, this is NOT a FOSS problem b ...   It's worse here than the rest of tech   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:41:04
 
Threading here sucks. This was in reply  ...   Re: FLOSSPOLS   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 04:57:06
 
> It's about privilege.  The most pr ...   Re: Privilege   
Carla Schroder
Sep 19, 2009, 05:08:40
 
I was replying to the guy who said "you  ...   Re: Re: Privilege   
Mackenzie
Sep 19, 2009, 05:21:39
 
The perspective of a single male trying  ...   Making sense of things when statistics works again   
Jose_X
Sep 19, 2009, 05:46:39
 
I read the LT threads in flat mode. Here ...   Re: Making sense of things when statistics works a   
Jose_X
Sep 19, 2009, 05:57:54
 
It's not biology. It's about how ...   Re: You must be kidding me, right?   
Adrian Harabor
Sep 19, 2009, 06:05:37
 
>> >> .for a time I used a man's nam ...   Re: Making sense of things when statistics works a   
Jose_X
Sep 19, 2009, 06:42:15
 
In the last years, more and more women h ...   Tie me to a stone!   
martin krafft
Sep 19, 2009, 06:50:54
 
If women keep dragging this political co ...   Political Correctness - get rid of it   
Raymond
Sep 19, 2009, 06:53:56
 
Thanks for the article.I didn't real ...   Food for thought   
Jon
Sep 19, 2009, 07:01:40
 
> Simplicissimus,> You didn't actual ...   Re: Try reading the article?   
Simplicissimus
Sep 19, 2009, 07:39:18
 
[...].> Carla's doing another post n ...   Re: Call them on it   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 19, 2009, 11:23:55
 
methinks alot of this has to do with the ...   Sexy Sex sexed sexual socks   
Neo
Sep 19, 2009, 13:16:15
 
[...].> They know, deep inside, that the ...   Re: A Challenge   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 19, 2009, 13:21:49
 
If a male had a go at a male on the net  ...   Really?   
Linux User
Sep 19, 2009, 13:24:55
 
> It's about privilege.  The most pr ...   Re: Privilege   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 19, 2009, 13:47:59
 
Let me say as a man I a deeply sorrowed  ...   I agree.   
Joshua Powers
Sep 19, 2009, 13:50:20
 
It's kind of hard to take something  ...   Re: Re: Hypocrisy in your own words.   
nathan
Sep 19, 2009, 14:02:08
 
[...].> As for the dirty jokes, menfolk  ...   Re: Real Progress   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 19, 2009, 14:28:08
 
> One is to point out the wrongness, the ...   Re: ventilation is good, but...   
Steve Holden
Sep 19, 2009, 14:29:14
 
Bruce, Jay, Adam, Emery (Hi Emery!), Mac ...   A whole lotta squirming going on   
Carla Schroder
Sep 19, 2009, 14:58:50
 
> I was replying to the guy who said "yo ...   Re: Re: Re: Privilege   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 19, 2009, 15:08:12
 
Obviously this is a "topic of interest", ...   My $0.02 (US) worth   
cob
Sep 19, 2009, 15:49:35
 
Simplicissimus, I am not your 'dear& ...   RE: Dear Natalee   
natalee
Sep 19, 2009, 15:56:32
 
Easy Peasy! ...   sed 's/big boys/big dogs/g'   
gus3
Sep 19, 2009, 16:07:07
 
> Greg P, knowing is half the battle. Le ...   Re: Making sense of things when statistics works a   
Greg P
Sep 19, 2009, 16:39:52
 
As for the rest--- as I said, too hot fo ...   Re: A whole lotta squirming going on   
Ron Bentley
Sep 19, 2009, 16:44:12
 
Actually, I have got this a lot when I g ...   Interest and assumptions   
jastiv
Sep 19, 2009, 16:57:24
 
I *never* identify as female in FOSS-rel ...   I *never* identify as female in FOSS-related posti   
A. Female
Sep 19, 2009, 17:00:43
 
Natalee,.I would like to extend  an hone ...   Re: RE: Dear Natalee   
Simplicissimus
Sep 19, 2009, 17:24:33
 
The only attitude I really have issue wi ...   Just some thoughts...   
Sarah
Sep 19, 2009, 17:26:05
 
"If you're not willing to be honest, ...   Another really obvious problem   
Sad
Sep 19, 2009, 17:27:15
 
My project is accepting newbie developer ...   Re: RE: Dear Natalee   
jastiv
Sep 19, 2009, 18:11:37
 
Also, the first programmer was a woman.  ...   Re: So they've found the comp-sci gene on the   
grep
Sep 19, 2009, 18:22:48
 
> As for the rest--- as I said, too hot  ...   Re: Re: A whole lotta squirming going on   
Carla Schroder
Sep 19, 2009, 20:44:28
 
Looks like you hit some nerves. Thanks f ...   Good job, Natalee   
Carla Schroder
Sep 19, 2009, 20:47:30
 
I want you to say where I said "silence  ...   Re: Re: Re: A whole lotta squirming going on   
Ron Bentley
Sep 19, 2009, 21:06:48
 
I'd like everybody, including the Ed ...   Go and read The Beez......please !!   
TonyY
Sep 19, 2009, 21:30:18
 
To put it simply, the computer doesn&#39 ...   does the computer care?   
James Witte
Sep 19, 2009, 22:00:35
 
    Do you know what happens to a female ...   Re: Re: Try reading the article?   
Sassinak
Sep 19, 2009, 23:02:20
 
I see...So the real solution is: "Women, ...   Re: Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
Sassinak
Sep 19, 2009, 23:23:47
 
> Threading here sucks. This was in repl ...   Re: Re: FLOSSPOLS   
Simplicissimus
Sep 19, 2009, 23:33:23
 
> I'd like everybody, including the  ...   Re: Go and read The Beez......please !!   
Carla Schroder
Sep 19, 2009, 23:56:56
 
> I want you to say where I said "silenc ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: A whole lotta squirming going on   
Carla Schroder
Sep 20, 2009, 00:04:54
 
> I see...So the real solution is: "Wome ...   Re: Re: Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
Carla Schroder
Sep 20, 2009, 00:05:58
 
go!I don't really care that much to  ...   Go feminazism   
whittle
Sep 20, 2009, 00:08:15
 
Well, here I am. Unfortunately, I didn&# ...   Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......please !!   
Hans Bezemer
Sep 20, 2009, 00:34:14
 
> I want you to say where I said "silenc ...   Re: Re: Re: A whole lotta squirming going on   
Linda
Sep 20, 2009, 02:05:04
 
Come now, maybe you should expect more f ...   Not just FOSS   
Mike Johnson
Sep 20, 2009, 02:22:13
 
> Well, here I am. Unfortunately, I didn ...   Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......please !!   
Carla Schroder
Sep 20, 2009, 02:23:48
 
Carla.......YOU opened this horrible can ...   Obviously you don't like my opinion...   
TonyY
Sep 20, 2009, 03:37:53
 
There have been some great examples cite ...   Hans Bezemer - Subject: Re: Re: Go and read The Be   
natalee
Sep 20, 2009, 04:06:05
 
And, after you read, you might want to g ...   After you read the Beeze, you might read this link   
Bruce Byfield
Sep 20, 2009, 04:09:39
 
No one needs condescending clueless comm ...   Simplicissimus: Your retort is worthless   
G W
Sep 20, 2009, 04:22:42
 
You are right on. There is a general pro ...   Re: Not just FOSS   
Theodore Kilgore
Sep 20, 2009, 04:49:37
 
> And, after you read, you might want to ...   Re: After you read the Beeze, you might read this   
Carla Schroder
Sep 20, 2009, 05:13:32
 
"Sexism in FOSS is a problem,"Not for th ...   Misc   
Mike
Sep 20, 2009, 05:23:40
 
I don't recall you being this off-th ...   Re: Go and read The Beez......please !!   
Jubal
Sep 20, 2009, 09:52:33
 
Hmmm...could it be that the low numbers  ...   An average male nerds take on this   
SB
Sep 20, 2009, 11:00:12
 
Carla,.To me this is just another accusa ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......please !   
Hans Bezemer
Sep 20, 2009, 11:33:13
 
"There are too many associations struck  ...   Re: Re: Making sense of things when statistics wor   
Mackenzie
Sep 20, 2009, 12:18:51
 
Hypocrisy re racism? Hardly.  Including  ...   Re: Hypocrisy in your own words.   
marytee
Sep 20, 2009, 12:33:52
 
Very well said Simplicissimus!  Thank yo ...   Re: Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
E
Sep 20, 2009, 12:43:42
 
"I have still not been informed of preci ...   Re: Re: Re: FLOSSPOLS   
Mackenzie
Sep 20, 2009, 12:47:56
 
> Bruce, you bring up a key point I have ...   Re: Re: After you read the Beeze, you might read t   
Hans Bezemer
Sep 20, 2009, 13:06:42
 
I think as a male with a post-graduate r ...   Some clarifications   
Patrick Elliott-Brennan
Sep 20, 2009, 13:37:28
 
Carla, with all due respect given your c ...   Women in FOSS   
grep
Sep 20, 2009, 13:39:22
 
Dear Carla,As an appendix to my previous ...   Thanks Carla   
Patrick Elliott-Brennan
Sep 20, 2009, 13:44:40
 
Statistically, women are smaller, less l ...   Women Are Different   
Robert Pogson
Sep 20, 2009, 13:44:56
 
Hans, since you are unwilling to take se ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......please !   
grep
Sep 20, 2009, 14:00:07
 
"1.5% participation by women in FOSS and ...   Participation   
Robert Pogson
Sep 20, 2009, 15:23:51
 
I'm mostly baffled by whatever it is ...   Baffled   
steggy
Sep 20, 2009, 15:29:10
 
> It's about privilege.  The most pr ...   Re: Privilege   
BeenThereSeenIt
Sep 20, 2009, 16:14:35
 
> It's not biology. It's about h ...   Re: Re: You must be kidding me, right?   
Ken Jennings
Sep 20, 2009, 16:22:37
 
>> It's not biology. It's about  ...   Re: Re: Re: You must be kidding me, right?   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 20, 2009, 16:59:18
 
> Hmmm...could it be that the low number ...   Re: An average male nerds take on this   
Carla Schroder
Sep 20, 2009, 17:02:24
 
> Carla,> .> To me this is just another  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......plea   
Carla Schroder
Sep 20, 2009, 17:27:14
 
As a male, it is very difficult to try t ...   Improvement needed on all sides of the issue   
Chris Jean
Sep 20, 2009, 18:24:06
 
Thank you for your thoughtful answer.  I ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: FLOSSPOLS   
Simplicissimus
Sep 20, 2009, 18:39:44
 
Among all the "There ain't no such t ...   Key for me   
Rufus Polson
Sep 20, 2009, 19:24:55
 
 I think as a male with a post-graduate  ...   Re: Some clarifications   
GreyGeek
Sep 20, 2009, 19:25:28
 
 I *never* identify as female in FOSS-re ...   Re: I *never* identify as female in FOSS-related p   
GreyGeek
Sep 20, 2009, 19:36:11
 
"You have completed the bogus arguments  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......   
Hans Bezemer
Sep 20, 2009, 19:46:58
 
> Good, attacking the messenger again! ( ...   Quoting journalists ethics   
Hans Bezemer
Sep 20, 2009, 19:52:52
 
> > Hmmm...could it be that the low numb ...   Re: Re: An average male nerds take on this   
SB
Sep 20, 2009, 21:44:48
 
  Thanks for your thoughtful comments. H ...   Re: Improvement needed on all sides of the issue   
Carla Schroder
Sep 20, 2009, 23:33:22
 
Carla,He does know about the 28 / 1.5 st ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......please !   
Mackenzie
Sep 20, 2009, 23:56:31
 
"BTW, Boston University, University of P ...   Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......please !!   
Mackenzie
Sep 20, 2009, 23:56:35
 
I've gotten along much, much better  ...   Gender relations.   
Bob_Robertson
Sep 21, 2009, 00:01:58
 
Thanks for the article, Carla, and sorry ...   Thanks!   
Chris Ball
Sep 21, 2009, 00:40:33
 
>I'm sure abusive attitudes exist, a ...   Re: Gender relations.   
Rufus Polson
Sep 21, 2009, 01:17:22
 
Re: positive suggestions for working aga ...   Re: ventilation is good, but...   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 02:26:28
 
> So if women aren't doing math as m ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Go and read The Beez......please !   
Theodore Kilgore
Sep 21, 2009, 02:51:11
 
> I like the way you're saying that, ...   Re: Re: Gender relations.   
Theodore Kilgore
Sep 21, 2009, 02:53:56
 
If it was simply a question of having to ...   Re: Really?   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 04:01:05
 
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!Seri ...   Re: Political Correctness - get rid of it   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 04:13:39
 
One of the most straightforward things ( ...   Re: What to do?   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 04:20:28
 
> > I like the way you're saying tha ...   Re: Re: Re: Gender relations.   
Jose_X
Sep 21, 2009, 04:26:15
 
Did you really miss the point of that co ...   Re: Re: I *never* identify as female in FOSS-relat   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 04:27:41
 
>> When you click the "back to story" li ...   Re: Re: Improvement needed on all sides of the iss   
Jose_X
Sep 21, 2009, 04:35:34
 
That there has been so many comments out ...   The Comments Show the Problem   
Paul Sams
Sep 21, 2009, 04:38:08
 
Did you think he would attempt to answer ...   Re: Re: Some clarifications   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 04:48:16
 
It's not a question of taking the ma ...   Re: Women in FOSS   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 04:50:51
 
> >Many men are essentially ordered to f ...   Re: Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
Rick
Sep 21, 2009, 05:07:15
 
"Men are the gatekeepers, some women mig ...   Re: Re: Re: Gender relations.   
Mike
Sep 21, 2009, 05:13:31
 
"we would have more open source develope ...   Re: Re: Women in FOSS   
Mike
Sep 21, 2009, 05:19:00
 
Great intro to the topic Carla (for thos ...   Great piece   
pfctdayelise
Sep 21, 2009, 05:24:49
 
>> Women have been repeatedly saying tha ...   Re: Key for me   
Jose_X
Sep 21, 2009, 05:32:21
 
We are in perfect agreement, I think, on ...   Re: Re: Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
Simplicissimus
Sep 21, 2009, 05:36:26
 
>> The problem is that we live in an ove ...   Re: Improvement needed on all sides of the issue   
Jose_X
Sep 21, 2009, 06:19:38
 
>> To everyone denying that a problem ex ...   Re: Thanks!   
Jose_X
Sep 21, 2009, 06:33:44
 
>> As Carla has mentioned several times, ...   Re: Hans Bezemer - Subject: Re: Re: Go and read Th   
Jose_X
Sep 21, 2009, 06:40:58
 
... I knocked out about 1450 lines of ve ...   For the Record   
Simplicissimus
Sep 21, 2009, 07:00:32
 
>> She loses responsibilities, is overlo ...   Re: Re: Re: Try reading the article?   
Jose_X
Sep 21, 2009, 12:29:28
 
Did you read the whole article?  It' ...   Re: ventilation is good, but...   
Victor Kinzer
Sep 21, 2009, 12:35:03
 
> First, we must simply agree to disagre ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FLOSSPOLS   
Rainer Weikusat
Sep 21, 2009, 13:40:56
 
 Did you think he would attempt to answe ...   Re: Re: Re: Some clarifications   
GreyGeek
Sep 21, 2009, 15:22:48
 
> I like the way you're saying that, ...   Re: Re: Gender relations.   
Bob_Robertson
Sep 21, 2009, 15:27:49
 
I forgot to mention the reason for my in ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Some clarifications   
GreyGeek
Sep 21, 2009, 15:29:43
 
After reading the editorial, I have foun ...   Wow!!!   
Terry
Sep 21, 2009, 15:35:17
 
This whole thread needs some sense inser ...   Some sense inserted   
Yetanotherbob
Sep 21, 2009, 17:05:14
 
 Indeed, and because of that I am sponso ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
GreyGeek
Sep 21, 2009, 17:06:11
 
 ...  What I do find is a well-written p ...   Re: Wow!!!   
GreyGeek
Sep 21, 2009, 17:19:03
 
>  Indeed, and because of that I am spon ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Challenge -- Accepted!   
Carla Schroder
Sep 21, 2009, 17:32:24
 
 You're right. It's just "man" a ...   Re: Yeah   
GreyGeek
Sep 21, 2009, 17:53:12
 
 ...there are 18 times more women in com ...   Re: It's worse here than the rest of tech   
GreyGeek
Sep 21, 2009, 18:21:13
 
Yetanotherbob said:"6. We should care ab ...   Nip this in the bud, Men.   
A programming Man
Sep 21, 2009, 19:20:04
 
Is that it appears to want to address on ...   My biggest problem with feminism...   
Wonderbird
Sep 21, 2009, 20:40:11
 
I generally like Carla's articles, b ...   Throwing a hand grenade...   
Wonderbird
Sep 21, 2009, 21:32:15
 
The only thing I'm going to say here ...   What a mess!   
Grishnakh
Sep 21, 2009, 21:39:09
 
No, you would *** off the men, the men w ...   Re: Women in FOSS   
Jubal
Sep 21, 2009, 21:56:44
 
I don't even want to bother adding m ...   Re: What a mess!   
Ron Bentley
Sep 21, 2009, 22:39:59
 
 Did you really miss the point of that c ...   Re: Re: Re: I *never* identify as female in FOSS-r   
GreyGeek
Sep 22, 2009, 00:26:43
 
Do you really think that guys are going  ...   Re: Re: Re: Women in FOSS   
Rick
Sep 22, 2009, 03:19:17
 
To quote Greta Christina who was origina ...   A group's demographics will tend to perpetuate   
Jacinta Richardson
Sep 22, 2009, 04:08:30
 
This editorial is not "feminist" but rat ...   Righteous Indignation   
El Nerdo
Sep 22, 2009, 06:03:41
 
Biography:"I've been a freelance wri ...   Re: A group's demographics will tend to perpet   
Hans Bezemer
Sep 22, 2009, 06:23:14
 
Do you really think that guys are going  ...   Re: Women in FOSS   
Jubal
Sep 22, 2009, 08:34:36
 
"Women have been repeatedly saying that  ...   re: Key for Me   
Barbara I. Irwin
Sep 23, 2009, 00:13:41
 
I get the impression you're attempti ...   Re: Re: A group's demographics will tend to pe   
Jacinta Richardson
Sep 23, 2009, 01:06:41
 
This is mostly crap.  Atheists aren' ...   Re: A group's demographics will tend to perpet   
Grishnakh
Sep 23, 2009, 19:37:47
 
Point 3 seems superfluous in the followi ...   Re: A group's demographics will tend to perpet   
Jose_X
Sep 23, 2009, 21:41:08
 
GreyGeeks comment - "So, most men AND wo ...   Re: re: Key for Me   
Grishnakh
Sep 24, 2009, 21:01:14
 
I get the impression you're attempti ...   Re: Re: Re: A group's demographics will tend t   
Grishnakh
Sep 25, 2009, 00:12:58
 
> ...  What I do find is a well-written  ...   Re: Re: Wow!!!   
Grishnakh
Sep 25, 2009, 00:21:30
 
I'm male, so I've never been the ...   Nice article Carla   
The Mad Hatter
Oct 2, 2009, 01:05:07
 
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