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When Vendors Go Bad
Feb 19, 2010, 12 :47 UTC (47 Talkback[s]) (6046 reads)

(Other stories by Doug Roberts)

[ Thanks to Doug Roberts for this link. ]

I admit it up front. I want to take $399 out of the hide of Newegg.com. Here's why:

I purchased a refurbished Asus K50 Series K50IJ-RX05 laptop from Newegg 4 weeks ago, for -- you guessed it -- $399. The laptop arrived three days later, and I installed Kubuntu 9.10 on it. No muss, no fuss, no hitches. Everything worked, right out of the box: wireless, graphics, the whole shebang.

Well, apparently everything worked. The laptop was a birthday present for my wife, you see. So the first thing she asked for was for me to install Skype on it so she could make video calls to her daughter.

No problem, says I. Presto, Skype got installed. Oops, the picture is upside down. This laptop was manufactured/assembled with the webcam installed 180 degrees out of whack!

Well, ok. I guess. There's a Video For Linux patch just for this situation. So I installed the patch (a library to pre-load prior to running apps that use webcam). Alrighty, the webcam video is no longer upside down in Skype. I handed the laptop back to my wife.

Day two: the wife says, "My laptop locked up." I asked her what she had been doing at the time. "Moving the mouse."

Oh, oh, this isn't right. The Asus K50 is running an Intel T4200 dual-core processor and the Intel 4500 graphics chipset. The Linux Intel graphics drivers are pretty solid. In fact, I've installed Kubuntu 9.10 on several nearly identical Acer T4200 laptops with the 4500 chipset, and they are all rock solid under some pretty heavy-duty use.

So, I installed the very latest Kubuntu update, which brought the kernel and modules up to version 2.6.31-19, and handed the laptop back to my wife. Again.

No go. Three - four times a day the machine just locked up. Randomly. Hard. Power cycle required to reboot.

So now I go to the intertubes to do some research (I know, I know) and discover [careful, big surprise coming] that the Asus K50 Series K50IJ-RX05 machines had the webcam installed upside down at the factory. Oh, and they randomly lock up several times a day. Linux, Vista, XP. Whatever. They lock up. There's a reason that so many "refurbished" units of this model are up for sale.

Clearly an unsatisfactory situation. So I contacted Newegg and explained that I was unhappy with the defective laptop they had sold me. After a brief consultation with her supervisor, the nice lady approved my RMA refund request and sent me a free UPS return label for me to use to ship the laptop back.

Not too shabby, I thought. This kind of service is why I have been a good Newegg customer for the past 7 years. Spending about $2,000 - $3,000 per year. For seven years. At Newegg.

Oops, not so fast. [I bet some of you saw this coming.] See the email I just received from Newegg:

Dear Valued Customer,

Thanks again for shopping at Newegg.com.

We recently received your RMA and your return was then sent to our Inspections Department for closer examination.

Incomplete return
User changed OS to Linux Kubuntu
System has been modified/altered original manufacturers operating system has been removed cannot access restore partition, this voids Newegg warranty. Unit cannot be accepted or resold as received.

RMA denied return to customer

Because Newegg would be facing a loss if we were to replace this item, we are returning the product to you and recommending that you contact the manufacturer directly to request that they repair or replace the item under your manufacturer's warranty. Please visit the following link to view a listing of all the manufacturers whose products we carry: http://www.newegg.com/app/contactmanufacturer.asp?DEPA=0

Kindest regards,

Newegg.com
RMA Inspections Department
rmainspect@newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com

This email was sent from Newegg's Automated Email System so please do not reply.

That's right: I installed Linux on the laptop, and therefore Newegg is not going to honor my refund.

Need I say more? Newegg is now on record as a vendor from whom you purchase at your own risk. They have demonstrated that they will knowingly sell defective hardware, and not honor refund requests on same.

A very good way to go out of business, in my opinion.

Buyer beware.

--

2/18/2010

Doug Roberts

Complete Story

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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
I suppose that the moral of the story is ...   Moral of the Story   
Bruce
Feb 19, 2010, 13:28:53
 
If I buy a system that comes with Window ...   I suggest everyone does what I now do   
cabreh
Feb 19, 2010, 14:01:13
 
There is a manufacturer reply available  ...   I'd extend this to ASUS.   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 19, 2010, 14:34:38
 
The OS was changed and you returned the  ...   You expected more?   
Dan C
Feb 19, 2010, 14:46:50
 
Please go to Newegg's web site ands  ...   Re: I'd extend this to ASUS.   
mack_rondo
Feb 19, 2010, 14:54:15
 
Newegg sold me the defective laptop, not ...   Newegg   
Doug Roberts
Feb 19, 2010, 15:04:43
 
> There is a manufacturer reply availabl ...   Re: I'd extend this to ASUS.   
Neo
Feb 19, 2010, 15:07:13
 
... is "read the fine-print".This is a v ...   All I can say...   
gef
Feb 19, 2010, 15:19:17
 
> The OS was changed and you returned th ...   Re: You expected more?   
anewegg shopper
Feb 19, 2010, 15:21:30
 
Yes, I did expect Newegg to honor the RM ...   Re: You expected more?   
Doug Roberts
Feb 19, 2010, 15:21:55
 
I did.  I gave Newegg a rating appropria ...   Re: Re: I'd extend this to ASUS.   
Doug Roberts
Feb 19, 2010, 15:23:51
 
The way I see it, NewEgg sold defective  ...   As I see it   
Don Whitbeck
Feb 19, 2010, 16:08:23
 
> The OS was changed and you returned th ...   Re: You expected more?   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 19, 2010, 16:12:58
 
New Egg will not honor the RMA because i ...   warrenty void   
Jermey Beyer
Feb 19, 2010, 16:14:19
 
> Yes, I did expect Newegg to honor the  ...   Re: Re: You expected more?   
Bruce
Feb 19, 2010, 16:16:42
 
And all I can say in reply, is "I did".  ...   Re: All I can say...   
Doug Roberts
Feb 19, 2010, 16:20:43
 
Stop pretending like an OS change is min ...   The is ridiculous   
Jim
Feb 19, 2010, 16:37:03
 
I got burned much the same way a few yea ...   Hard lesson -   
philc
Feb 19, 2010, 17:36:35
 
Even easier than a reinstall -- wipe the ...   Wipe the disk   
Warren
Feb 19, 2010, 17:56:27
 
I agree with cabreh; best course is to m ...   Any Win install CD with purchase?   
knoba
Feb 19, 2010, 17:57:05
 
@Dan C: While I understand the point you ...   Re: You expected more?   
Fred
Feb 19, 2010, 17:57:11
 
The reason they will not RMA the compute ...   Not Installing Linux, but Deleting Recovery Partit   
C. Whitman
Feb 19, 2010, 17:59:46
 
Here's the comment that gets me: > U ...   Resold???   
James E LaBarre
Feb 19, 2010, 18:02:55
 
Always swap out the hard disk shipped wi ...   Re: Moral of the Story   
grep
Feb 19, 2010, 18:12:22
 
Yes, that tickled me as well.  I wonder  ...   Re: Resold???   
Doug Roberts
Feb 19, 2010, 18:15:13
 
> The OS was changed and you returned th ...   Returns   
Tony OBryan
Feb 19, 2010, 18:19:27
 
> Stop pretending like an OS change is m ...   Re: The is ridiculous   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 19, 2010, 19:11:46
 
> "System has been modified/altered orig ...   Re: warrenty void   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 19, 2010, 19:17:17
 
Thanks everybody for your comments.  I&# ...   Update: Newegg Resolved This Issue   
Doug Roberts
Feb 19, 2010, 20:14:47
 
>Consequently, all of the following > ac ...   Re: Re: The is ridiculous   
Jim
Feb 19, 2010, 20:29:32
 
 RESOLD???  It has defective hardware, a ...   Re: Resold???   
jp
Feb 19, 2010, 20:41:38
 
I say you have a good chance to make the ...   NewEgg is Wrong   
Abe
Feb 19, 2010, 20:54:55
 
If you had read the article, you would h ...   Re: Re: Re: The is ridiculous   
Doug Roberts
Feb 19, 2010, 21:21:02
 
>> Consequently, all of the following >> ...   Re: Re: Re: The is ridiculous   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 19, 2010, 21:31:20
 
That's why I always use credit cards ...   Just one word: CHARGEBACK!!   
Sum Yung Gai
Feb 19, 2010, 21:50:10
 
Well, I'm staying the heck away from ...   Re: Update: Newegg Resolved This Issue   
Sum Yung Gai
Feb 19, 2010, 22:01:19
 
Why is it now that so many systems have  ...   The Real Problem Is the Death of Recovery Discs   
C. Whitman
Feb 19, 2010, 22:43:29
 
There was more to this particular RMA fi ...   Re: The Real Problem Is the Death of Recovery Disc   
Doug Roberts
Feb 20, 2010, 00:17:28
 
Next time you send it back for refund, r ...   You just learn something not to do.   
masternetra
Feb 20, 2010, 03:32:03
 
[...].> We may know that there are real  ...   Re: The Real Problem Is the Death of Recovery Disc   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 20, 2010, 13:27:11
 
I always go through the manufacturer for ...   my experience with Asus and Newegg   
tmx
Feb 20, 2010, 14:50:53
 
Time to write the RMA department and (cc ...   MaMagnuson-Moss Warranty Improvement Act   
oe
Feb 21, 2010, 04:01:21
 
Unfortunately, they treat everyone as a  ...   Newegg   
ismail arslangiray
Feb 21, 2010, 08:33:56
 
A 78 year old friend of mine, on Social  ...   It's an ASUS problem   
abcd
Feb 21, 2010, 14:56:44
 
It turns out that there is also an easy  ...   Re: It's an ASUS problem   
Doug Roberts
Feb 21, 2010, 21:51:35
 
   The sad thing is, vendors will learn  ...   Re: Update: Newegg Resolved This Issue   
Jakester
Feb 22, 2010, 19:18:20
 
Case is VERY clear. No matter what OS in ...   Write where it hurts   
robert
Feb 22, 2010, 22:58:11
 
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