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The KDE Future
May 26, 1999, 08 :48 UTC (194 Talkback[s]) (45955 reads)

(Other stories by Kurt Granroth)

By Kurt Granroth

The K Desktop Environment (KDE) is one of the largest and most successful Open Source projects. KDE users number in the millions and they depend on the stability of KDE every day. With such success, it would be easy for the KDE developers to sit back and savor their accomplishments. After all, the original goal for KDE described an intuitive and easy to use Unix desktop. With the award winning 1.1 release, KDE fits that bill almost perfectly.

There is still work to be done, however. The current development pace has increased, rather than diminished.

This article will try to describe some of the major features that users can expect out of KDE 2.0. The over-riding trend that carries though all of these changes is increased configurability, power, and ease of use to both the end-user and the developer.

KOM/OpenParts -- Ready for the Big Time
Two of the biggest "new" features of KDE 2.0 involve the KOM/OpenParts CORBA component layer. KOM/OP and KOffice aren't really new -- they have been in development for over a year -- but only recently have they moved past the experimental or test phase into real usability. With the extensive KOffice experience, KOM/OP is now ready for complete integration into all aspects of KDE.

KOM/OP
KOM/OpenParts is a distributed object component layer built on top of CORBA. It is quite possibly the single biggest change between the current and the future KDE. In a nutshell, the CORBA/KOM/OP integration means that KDE applications will be able to inter- communicate and reuse each other's functionality to a very high degree.

The amount of CORBA integration will vary by application. The biggest current and future user is the KOffice suite (more on that later). A close second is the Konqueror file manager/web browser. Actually, it's not quite accurate to describe Konqueror only in those terms anymore as it does so much more.

Konqueror is built on the OpenParts part of KOM/OP. A "Part" is a CORBA object that can be "embedded" into other CORBA applications. The effect is similar to DCOM, OLE, and OpenDoc. For instance, when Konqueror comes upon, say, a JPEG graphics file, it checks with the mime-type registry to see how to handle it. The mime-type dictates that an "image viewer" is needed with certain properties. Konqueror then forwards these properties to the KDE trading service. The trading service "finds" an OpenPart -- a CORBA-enabled application -- that fits those properties and activates it. The activated OpenPart image viewer will then open up "embedded" into Konqueror. Konqueror's menus and toolbars will be replaced (or supplanted) with the Part's menus while it is displaying the image. From the user's point of view, it will look like the image viewer is part of Konqueror, not an entirely separate application.

This leads to an almost "plug-n-play" method of using components. In the past, a file manager would typically have the image viewing code hard-coded into the application or linked through a library. Changing this code meant, at the least, recompiling everything. At the most, it could mean a massive re-write. With the KDE trading service and the OpenParts model, components are known by their properties. This means that changing the image viewer component is as easy as registering the new component with the proper properties. No recompiling or recoding is necessary.

A lot of components don't need the graphical functionality that OpenParts provides. Often, the KOM layer or even straight CORBA is enough. An example of this is the Internet dialer component. Any application that wants or needs to connect to the Internet via a dial-up connection can do so using this component. They access it by requesting a dialer with certain properties from the trader. Note that this means that no one application is tied to being The Internet dialer. The current implementation uses KPPP, the KDE modem dialer, to do the dialing, but it doesn't have to. The actual method of dialing is irrelevant to the application using this component -- they just want the resulting connection.

KOffice Suite
The KOffice application suite is possibly the closest thing to a "killer app" that KDE has yet produced. It is a full-featured office application suite (including a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation manager, illustrator, charting tool, and more) built on the KOM/OP component technology. This makes it the first Unix office suite (commercial or free) to support embedded application technology.

The individual KOffice applications are fully functional even as stand-alone apps. KWord is a "frame-based" word processor in the vein of FrameMaker. This makes it acceptable for use as a desktop publishing app, in addition to it's complete word processing abilities. KSpread extends its already large collection of built-in mathematical functions with Python scripting support. Users can construct arbitrarily complex KSpread documents in a manner similar to VBA-enabled Excel documents. There is little that PowerPoint does that KPresenter cannot do.

Even with all of this individual functionality, the true power of KOffice can only be realized with its integration as a whole. Because all KOffice applications are built on KOM/OP technology, each app can be used as an OpenPart. That is, it is possible to "embed" a document from one KOffice part into another.

For example, say a user is working on a KWord document when she realizes that a table with a spreadsheet and chart in it would add a little visual punch. She can do this by importing an entire KSpread spreadsheet and KDiagramm chart. This isn't a static cut-n-paste, though, an actual KSpread document is embedded into the document.

This means that the user can dynamically manipulate the spreadsheet and chart without leaving the KWord document. Clicking on the spreadsheet causes the KWord menus and toolbars to be replaced with the KSpread versions. Clicking outside of the spreadsheet restores the originals. From the point of view of the user, all parts of the document are all integrated fully inside that document. They no longer appear to be separate parts from separate applications.

A much more detailed look at the KOffice suite can be found at http://www.mieterra.com/article/koffice.html

Look (and Feel) At Me Now
Some of the changes in KDE 2.0 involve "look and feel" issues. The current KDE is already quite configurable in that regard. What will change is the level at which changes can be made. Instead of individual, disconnected changes, the user will be able to modify nearly every aspect of KDE look and feel in a consistent and high-level manner.

"Themes"
The KDE window manager (kwm) has supported basic "themes" for quite some time. Likewise, it has been possible to change color schemes and key-bindings for all of the desktop almost since the beginning. All that said, KDE will have a drastic overhaul with respect to its theming capabilities for 2.0.

The first and most obvious change will be the ability to customize the look of each individual widget. The current widget styles of Windows9x and Motif will join NeXT, MacOS, Java Metal, and every other possible style one could imagine. Likely, there will also be many styles that aren't quite imaginable yet! The ability to customize the look, size, and actions of each and every widget is nearly total.

These widget styles will be included in "pluggable" libraries that can be distributed in binary or source form. To change to a different style, one would simply have to drop in the correct library, go to the theme/style manager and their desktop will assume an entirely new look. It will not be required to recompile anything to use a new look -- all styles are dynamically loaded at runtime. This is true "plug-n-play" theming.

On a technical level, these styles are not pixmap based. That is, the underlying graphics system does not need to use pictures for all of the widgets. This approach is very slow on even high end machines. The KDE/Qt approach uses virtual functions for all of the widget drawing. The result of this is widget drawing at nearly the same speed as the "original" or default style (the actual speed depends on the complexity of the drawing). Note that pixmaps may be used if so desired -- the theme engine just does not depend on it.

The themes will go beyond widget styles, however. All visual aspects of the desktop will be controlled from one central location. Say a user wants their desktop to look as close as possible to a Macintosh. One click in the theme/style manager will cause the widgets and color scheme to have the Platinum style. The icons will be replaced with "Mac-like" icons. The window borders will also change to look like a Mac. If that weren't enough, the key-bindings would also change to be comfortable to a Mac addict.

Most of these changes are already possible to accomplish with the present tools. What is lacking now, however, is an integrated and central way of managing all of this. The future theme/style manager will allow the user to customize everything with only a few clicks of the mouse.

More KDE-Aware Apps
This is the most "evolutionary" of all of the changes. As each day progresses, it seems that there is an increasing number of KDE apps. This pace will continue or even increase as time goes on.

Probably the biggest segment of new applications will be applications that traditionally are found only in the Windows/MacOS world. These applications will be either "clones" of popular Windows apps or applications that have never been thought of before.

A growing number of "third-party" or commercial applications will be "KDE aware" without being fully integrated into KDE. The StarDivision StarOffice suite already does something similar with its recognition of the KDE mime-types, KDE drag-n-drop and an awareness of the panel. This trend can only continue.

Many legacy X and even console-based applications will also get fresh KDE wrappers around their older interfaces. This will happen either by taking the "work" part of the code from an application and putting a KDE GUI on the front of it or by grafting a CORBA wrapper around it. This latter approach will be used most often for console-based utilities that have command-line interfaces. A CORBA wrapper will be put "around" this utility, making it into a server. Any KDE app will then be able to access that utility's functionality in a manner consistent with all other CORBA apps.

Playing the Politics Game
Some of the changes to KDE can best be described as "political" changes. These are changes that don't really affect KDE developers and current KDE users very much. Yet these changes will have an impact on the way that KDE is used and perceived by non-KDE users.

"Open Source" Qt
Undoubtedly the biggest impediment to complete acceptance of KDE was the perceived limitations to the Qt license. In fact, the GNOME project started as a direct consequence of this lack of "true freeness". This is all in the past as of Qt 2.0. The newest version of Qt is covered under the QPL, which has been "certified" as an Open Source license by the Open Source Initiative (OSI) and the founders of the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

The effect of this is nearly entirely political. Those users that did not use KDE solely because of Qt's license may now use the system with no problems as to it's freeness.

GNOME Acceptance
Much of the changes in KDE 2.0 will be related to "choice" -- the user will simply have more choice in how their desktop will work. This idea is extended to those users that may want to use some GNOME applications. If they wish to do so, KDE will not only not get in the way, but will make sure that the transition is as seamless as is reasonably possible.

This starts with "cross-theming." The GNOME/Gtk+ method of handling widget styles is currently done with pixmap "rendering engines". The KDE theme manager will automatically detect the configuration files for GNOME apps and modify them in such a way as to create an as close as possible approximate of the current Qt style. Other "theme" components such as key-bindings will also be approximated on the GNOME side.

The drag-n-drop protocol shared by the two environments will also be standardized. That means that files "dragged" from, say, the KDE file manager can be "dropped" into a GNOME application with no problems.

Interaction between KDE and GNOME applications will also be much improved. The higher-level CORBA protocols will either be standardized or wrappers will provide an illusion of standardization.

As a general rule of thumb, the standard user should not be able to find any significant differences between a KDE and a GNOME app while running the KDE environment.

Kurt Granroth is a software engineer with the Motorola Satellite Communications Group in Phoenix, AZ. He holds a B.S. in Computer Science and Secondary Education from Michigan Technological University. Kurt is a recent member of the KDE Team and is responsible for KBiff, KAppTemplate, numerous hacks in the KDE libraries, and overall KDE evangelism.

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I finally got the GNOME desktop to work  ...   Great news   
Dave Finton
May 26, 1999, 08:58:54
 
Oh man, I'm drooling already...I can ...   Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!   
K. Fisher
May 26, 1999, 09:03:09
 

This was nicely written.  Let's hop ...   Nice   
Matthew Benjamin
May 26, 1999, 09:19:52
 

"As a general rule of thumb, the standa ...   KDE & Gnome   
Ricky Ng-Adam
May 26, 1999, 09:30:18
 
I hope that the KDE and Gnome groups wil ...   Standardized software "Registration"   
Seek3r
May 26, 1999, 09:35:21
 
But for the must fabulous success, can t ...   GNOME AND KDE together   
R.Esnault
May 26, 1999, 09:40:54
 
About when Kde2.0 be released? I hope it ...   About When ?   
Johan S
May 26, 1999, 09:46:59
 
About when Kde2.0 be released? I hope it ...   About When ?   
Johan S
May 26, 1999, 09:47:01
 
Will there be any speed improvments as w ...   Speed improvements ?   
James ericson
May 26, 1999, 09:51:00
 
Hopefully Gnome and KDE will Co-exist ni ...   KDE + Gnome   
Pablo El Vagabundo
May 26, 1999, 10:14:51
 
I wish there were also standard filters  ...   Standard Filters for KDE   
arne johansson
May 26, 1999, 10:14:51
 
Hmm, speed improvements aren't going ...   Re: Speed improvements ?   
K. Fisher
May 26, 1999, 10:19:21
 
KDE has no future.  GNOME is much better ...   "The KDE Future" ???   
Erick Woods
May 26, 1999, 10:20:07
 
Now we start to see, in the Linux world, ...   Vaporware   
Jabba
May 26, 1999, 10:29:37
 
One thing I like about Rasterman's G ...   Difficult widget theming?   
Dave R
May 26, 1999, 10:53:54
 
Relax.  KDE's always done the right  ...   Re: Vaporware   
Logan
May 26, 1999, 11:05:47
 
So, if MS Office was to try to implement ...   Thank you MS   
Alex
May 26, 1999, 11:15:57
 
I **program** KDE/QT and have dabbled in ...   Re: Gnome better than KDE? Hah!   
Chris Wiegand
May 26, 1999, 11:20:42
 

What KDE problems are you referring to? ...   Re: "The KDE Future" ???   
sean reilly
May 26, 1999, 11:21:20
 
I think it will be better to use GTK ins ...   Using GTK   
LENHOF
May 26, 1999, 11:22:27
 

I don't know that much myself about ...   Standards Filters for KDE   
J Rousseau
May 26, 1999, 11:29:19
 
you dont HAVE to use the C++ meathod, yo ...   Re: Difficult widget theming?   
zeph
May 26, 1999, 11:31:34
 
When?  You tell us.  How much can you co ...   Re: About When ?   
Allen Campbell
May 26, 1999, 11:31:41
 
KDE has no future - Hahahaha!  Given tha ...   Re: "The KDE Future" ???   
Bruce McDonald
May 26, 1999, 11:34:10
 
I LOVE WIDGETS AND YOU COULD NEVER GET E ...   widgets   
Joshua
May 26, 1999, 11:35:46
 
Every time Linux Today or Slashdot posts ...   KDE vs GNOME paranoia   
Bob McCormick
May 26, 1999, 11:38:22
 
Every time Linux Today or Slashdot posts ...   KDE vs GNOME paranoia   
Bob McCormick
May 26, 1999, 11:38:22
 
Is this what the media pundits mean when ...   The proverbial 'Road Map'   
Allen Campbell
May 26, 1999, 11:38:41
 
the GUIer the better, thats  what i say. ...   Re: KDE + Gnome   
Joshua
May 26, 1999, 11:42:34
 
yeah, well,
you forget some people are m ...   Re: Re: Gnome better than KDE? Hah!   
gnomish
May 26, 1999, 11:43:56
 
Thats great. 
 ...   When is KDE2.0 expected? I can't wait to s   
Siva Alagarsamy
May 26, 1999, 11:48:14
 
Perhaps you should write to the KDE them ...   Re: Vaporware   
Digital Wokan
May 26, 1999, 11:53:05
 
Instead of standardizing on the drag and ...   grrrrr   
wabe
May 26, 1999, 11:56:46
 
Even on a Celeron 366 with 128MB of RAM  ...   Speed   
Stacy
May 26, 1999, 11:58:50
 
Because I can use Glade and just drag an ...   Re: Re: Gnome better than KDE? Hah!   
wabe
May 26, 1999, 11:59:41
 
I don't think its a credit to MS. Th ...   Re: Thank you MS   
Siva Alagarsamy
May 26, 1999, 12:10:31
 
I'm not falling for your flamebait s ...   Re: Gnome better than KDE? Hah!   
Preben Randhol
May 26, 1999, 12:17:01
 
The June issue of Linux Magazine has rea ...   KDE 2.0 release (from linux magazine)   
Scott Moser
May 26, 1999, 12:17:05
 
The June issue of Linux Magazine has rea ...   KDE 2.0 release (from linux magazine)   
Scott Moser
May 26, 1999, 12:17:10
 
Asides from this obvious flamebait, I CH ...   Re: YOU have no future   
K. Fisher
May 26, 1999, 12:18:16
 
Are you implying that MS "invented" the  ...   Re: Thank you MS   
Steve Totten
May 26, 1999, 12:18:58
 
Funny you should mention Vaporware, that ...   Re: Vaporware   
Frobozz
May 26, 1999, 12:23:24
 
I think, The KDE way of doing Theams is  ...   Re: Difficult widget theming?   
Siva Alagarsamy
May 26, 1999, 12:23:42
 
Gtk the real toolkit of Linux?  Says WHO ...   Re: Using GTK   
frobozz
May 26, 1999, 12:26:37
 
Right, and when Miguel comes along and & ...   Re: Thank you MS   
Frobozz
May 26, 1999, 12:28:29
 
>When? You tell us. How much can you con ...   Re: Re: About When ?   
Garm
May 26, 1999, 12:34:26
 
As soon as anyone mention either Gnome o ...   and the point is?   
Johan
May 26, 1999, 13:04:25
 
What planet are you living on?  nNome is ...   Re: grrrrr   
Garm
May 26, 1999, 13:09:26
 
Um.. Debian?  Slackware?  I am quite sur ...   Re: Re: grrrrr   
Cardinal
May 26, 1999, 13:27:06
 
as much as i am for open source, i have  ...   Re: Thank you MS   
anton gonzalez
May 26, 1999, 13:27:33
 
Yeah, Qt has no bindings.
And Clinton is ...   Re: Gnome better than KDE? Hah!   
kay-ish
May 26, 1999, 13:44:36
 
Slackware 4 has KDE, and Corel (=Debian  ...   Re: Re: Re: grrrrr   
kay-ish
May 26, 1999, 13:49:26
 
No the level of interopabilty they speek ...   Re: Thank you MS   
Strider Centaur
May 26, 1999, 14:00:32
 
Great work all round guys ...   Shine on you crazy diamonds   
Anthony Durity
May 26, 1999, 14:24:23
 
I am using KDE since early september 199 ...   What a great future, on the way :)   
patrick mourlhon
May 26, 1999, 14:26:38
 
GNOME uses configureable theme engines,  ...   GNOME theme confusion   
Daniel Holth
May 26, 1999, 14:30:15
 
Probably someone will write a QT theme t ...   GTK/QT   
Daniel Holth
May 26, 1999, 14:36:44
 
The use of component is great. Then appl ...   Use Components is great   
SleepZz
May 26, 1999, 14:41:36
 
I'm no programmer or technology hist ...   Re: Re: Thank you, MS   
Steve Fritsche
May 26, 1999, 14:44:23
 
suse has kde by default.  let us think i ...   Re: Re: Re: grrrrr   
george
May 26, 1999, 14:52:59
 
KOffice looks from the screenshots as th ...   KOffice killer app...   
Kevin
May 26, 1999, 14:57:32
 
Everyone has KDE as default? Hmmm...well ...   Re: Re: grrrrr   
Joey Garcia
May 26, 1999, 14:59:46
 
I've been using KDE for a little whi ...   Window Managers   
Ray
May 26, 1999, 15:11:39
 
I really want to learn gtk, Gtk-- actual ...   Where's gtk's documentation?   
chuck
May 26, 1999, 16:00:17
 
The reason KOM isn't OLE, as I under ...   Re: Re: Thank you MS   
Sean Russell
May 26, 1999, 16:12:11
 
GNOME and KDE are working together on a  ...   Re: Standardized software   
Richard Hestilow
May 26, 1999, 16:31:18
 
Please consider *your* words...

from ww ...   Re: Re: Re: grrrrr   
Torsten
May 26, 1999, 16:38:05
 
I am writing a large app, and would like ...   more KOM info   
Joel Davis
May 26, 1999, 16:40:17
 
Actually, the way GTK+ does themes is ho ...   Re: Difficult widget theming?   
Vincent Harvey
May 26, 1999, 16:44:52
 
> Sheesh, some peopel think Microsoft is ...   Re: Strider Centaur [Was: Re: Thank you MS]   
Bill S. Preston, esquire
May 26, 1999, 16:51:14
 
What does anything you said have to do w ...   Re: Vaporware   
Daniel M. Duley
May 26, 1999, 17:35:50
 
No, since KDE uses C++ there is a common ...   Re: Difficult widget theming?   
Daniel M. Duley
May 26, 1999, 17:37:55
 
Hmm. KDE has no bindings eh? Funny, KSir ...   Re: Re: Re: Gnome better than KDE? Hah!   
Daniel M. Duley
May 26, 1999, 17:41:55
 
Try kdevelop. ...   Re: Re: Re: Gnome better than KDE? Hah!   
Daniel M. Duley
May 26, 1999, 17:43:41
 
Actually, Slack4 uses KDE as the default ...   Re: Re: Re: grrrrr   
Daniel M. Duley
May 26, 1999, 17:46:39
 
The only thing that *really* matters is  ...   Re: Thank you MS   
David Schere
May 26, 1999, 17:47:19
 
AFAIK KDE is now the default in FBSD CVS ...   Re: Re: Re: grrrrr   
Daniel M. Duley
May 26, 1999, 17:48:54
 
Actually, the "Hello World stuff" is pre ...   Re: more KOM info   
Daniel M. Duley
May 26, 1999, 17:50:53
 
Personally I like Enlightenment, Gnome a ...   Gnome & KDE   
Gerald Scheidl
May 26, 1999, 18:07:43
 
How about that piece of -DELETED- little ...   Re: Re: Thank you MS   
M Hunter
May 26, 1999, 18:14:19
 
GNOME sucked out of the box.  KDE kinda  ...   Re: Re: YOU have no future   
foob
May 26, 1999, 18:19:31
 
mmm ... i wonder where microsoft found t ...   Re: Thank you MS   
nanoi
May 26, 1999, 19:12:57
 
HI!

I just thought I would let you know ...   Re: Thank you MS   
Vincent
May 26, 1999, 19:31:43
 
GTK+ theme engines are not pixmap based. ...   GTK+ themes   
Lyndon Drake
May 26, 1999, 19:35:05
 
That's funny, the only distribution  ...   Re: grrrrr   
Vincent
May 26, 1999, 19:50:43
 
Here's a few very random comments on ...   Random Responses   
Kurt Granroth
May 26, 1999, 20:16:12
 
www.gtk.org.  Try the tutorial section ; ...   Re: Where's gtk's documentation?   
SlycerMan
May 26, 1999, 20:31:35
 
The roadmap for KDE is excellent. Linux  ...   KDE is getting better and better   
Ahsan Naqvi
May 26, 1999, 21:14:57
 
I use 32MB 72-pin DRAM, and my speed is  ...   Re: Speed improvements ?   
Dominic Amann
May 26, 1999, 22:05:14
 
OLE was not the first implementation (de ...   Re: Thank you MS   
Dominic
May 26, 1999, 22:09:34
 
I am running an ancient Slackware system ...   GNOME vs KDE   
Dominic
May 26, 1999, 22:13:22
 
.....(some conversation about inventing  ...   Re: Difficult widget theming?   
dominic
May 26, 1999, 22:15:31
 
Perhaps the time has come, and there is  ...   Re: C vs C++   
Dominic
May 26, 1999, 22:19:35
 
Clue threshold = 1.0.

Despite what fana ...   none   
Ian Rees
May 26, 1999, 22:27:05
 
Hmmmm...

GNOME's panel menu can han ...   On the subject of "KDE vs. GNOME"   
Shane
May 26, 1999, 23:01:51
 
In response to:
Perhaps the time has com ...   C/C++ Debate   
Asad Chaudhary
May 26, 1999, 23:24:31
 
I switched from MacOS to Linux a few mon ...   Good work   
Glenn Alexander
May 26, 1999, 23:44:32
 
Have you noticed that the installed QT l ...   Try KDE on RH 6.0   
Ben Gonzales
May 27, 1999, 00:19:06
 
> It almost seems like we put in the sam ...   Re: Johan: Subject: and the point is?   
Pessimist
May 27, 1999, 00:35:02
 
"Users can construct arbitrarily complex ...   Koffice prone to virii?   
WhyteTygre
May 27, 1999, 00:41:33
 
Hello,

I'm very happy to read that  ...   The community does it always better at the end...   
Bössu
May 27, 1999, 01:39:11
 
Yes. I really wondered why they had to s ...   Re: Try KDE on RH 6.0   
Esa Ollitervo
May 27, 1999, 01:53:18
 
At least faster on a 32MB machine. If th ...   Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome and KDE   
AC
May 27, 1999, 02:14:14
 
I think that both, KDE and Gnome are bot ...   GNOME & KDE both rock!   
Wilfried Kaneider
May 27, 1999, 02:49:25
 
I find KDE very slow, but again I have o ...   KDE must be sped up   
frank muller
May 27, 1999, 03:24:05
 
KDE2.0 will apparently have seemless int ...   Forget KDE versus Gnome   
malin andersson
May 27, 1999, 03:31:22
 
In case some of you out there are not aw ...   About KOM and OLE   
David Willis
May 27, 1999, 03:46:42
 
KDE = slow - I have used MS products the ...   Re: Speed + kde/gnome   
Joergen Ramskov
May 27, 1999, 03:52:20
 
have you ever written programs using Qt  ...   Re: Using GTK   
Stephan Heigl
May 27, 1999, 04:34:31
 
Why not merge the two together...KNOME? ...   KDE & GNOME   
John Hong
May 27, 1999, 05:39:35
 
No, Mico has a full the full set of Corb ...   Re: Koffice prone to virii?   
Daniel M. Duley
May 27, 1999, 05:53:52
 
Until about a month ago I was both codin ...   Re: Re: Speed improvements ?   
Daniel M. Duley
May 27, 1999, 05:56:25
 
I'm a gnomer, but I really like all  ...   give me both KDE AND Gnome   
Brett Bazant
May 27, 1999, 09:00:47
 
Yes it is true that the QPL can be consi ...   Licence Troubles ...   
James Henstridge
May 27, 1999, 09:26:01
 
Expecting that hardware is getting bette ...   Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome and KDE   
Bausi
May 27, 1999, 09:26:54
 
Very cool, but .. FOR WHEN ??? ...   KDE/QT 2.0   
Somekool
May 27, 1999, 09:33:35
 
Hmm?!  
At the home office (I work for a ...   Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome and KDE   
Muness Al-Rubaie
May 27, 1999, 09:53:33
 
What I want to know is, will KDE allow y ...   The choice of Window Managers   
Vadim Pokotilov
May 27, 1999, 10:28:42
 
I had KDE running fine under RH 5.2 in / ...   Try KDE on RH 6.0   
Alan Prescott
May 27, 1999, 10:46:56
 
I read a few posts about people complain ...   Sluggish performance -- Solved Kinda...   
Ed Ahmed
May 27, 1999, 10:57:55
 
I hope you tell this to the Mozilla peop ...   Re: Licence Troubles ...   
Daniel M. Duley
May 27, 1999, 11:11:31
 
I don't know if it's implemented ...   Re: Koffice prone to virii?   
Roberto Alsina
May 27, 1999, 11:15:31
 
Hey, be glad!

Blackbox is KDE aware, an ...   Re: Sluggish performance -- Solved Kinda...   
Roberto Alsina
May 27, 1999, 11:44:00
 
Interesting fray in here.

I personally  ...   RedHat and KDE   
Lamar Owen
May 27, 1999, 13:00:49
 
KDE/GNOME are slow and despite the hype  ...   Look at the big picture here.   
Jairon
May 27, 1999, 17:49:55
 
KDE is for me. ...   KDE   
Danny Barnes
May 27, 1999, 18:15:04
 
Of course RedHat is partaial...Raster at ...   Re: Try KDE on RH 6.0   
Elven Crusader
May 27, 1999, 18:39:53
 
In my opinion, KDE, GNOME and most new a ...   Overhaul   
Rayiner Hashem
May 27, 1999, 18:54:05
 
well, gtk is VERY much different than QT ...   Re: GNOME AND KDE together   
forest
May 27, 1999, 19:26:56
 
ummm, one inovation?

ok, here you go, I ...   Re: Re: Thank you MS   
forest
May 27, 1999, 20:23:37
 
Could you please give an example of the  ...   Re: Re: Licence Troubles ...   
James Henstridge
May 27, 1999, 20:47:52
 
the biggest porb with KDE is responsives ...   Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome and KDE   
richie
May 27, 1999, 21:35:35
 
Somehow, I get the feeling the RedHat is ...   Try KDE on RH 6.0   
bgonzales
May 27, 1999, 22:17:04
 
WHINE WHINE WHINE!!!!!!
STOP IT!!!!!
I D ...   AARRRGHH!! HEAD--> EXPLODE   
aardvarq
May 27, 1999, 23:40:46
 
If KDE supports theme as described then
 ...   NeXTified Widget...   
Sungjin Chun
May 28, 1999, 05:48:44
 
I have written both an unthemed NeXT wid ...   Re: NeXTified Widget...   
Daniel M. Duley
May 28, 1999, 07:30:33
 
>Perhaps the time has come, and there is ...   C vs C++RC vs C++   
Mark
May 28, 1999, 10:52:56
 
With all this bickering and mention of s ...   Gnome and KDE   
Curt Wuollet
May 28, 1999, 11:25:27
 
Folks, you could make the new KDE 2.0 br ...   Yeahbut   
Jason L Michael
May 28, 1999, 12:00:43
 
personally, I think that KDE is excellen ...   KDE+ Gnome   
Lance DiBitetto
May 28, 1999, 16:44:27
 
I wouldn't trust anything that came  ...   Miguel released Gnome way too soon   
Kester Clegg
May 28, 1999, 17:29:58
 
I am fairly new to linux, and I am tryin ...   what about the functionality??   
Gene Ruebsamen
May 28, 1999, 23:34:19
 
frobozz wrote:
> Gtk the real toolkit of ...   Re: Subject: C/C++ Debate   
Mathias Brossard
May 29, 1999, 06:41:08
 
I solved the whole problem. I write Ada  ...   Re: C vs C++RC vs C++   
Jeffrey S. Blatt
May 29, 1999, 12:28:10
 
"And by the way, It's better that KD ...   Re: Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome and   
Joe
May 29, 1999, 14:55:28
 
"Maybe it's not RedHat who's wro ...   re: C/C++ Debate   
bgonzales
May 29, 1999, 17:12:16
 
I have used Linux for a couple of months ...   GNOME vs KDE   
Thomas Tang
May 29, 1999, 22:16:08
 
Dominic: "..In many ways OLE [ie, COM] i ...   Re: Re: Thank you MS   
John Gibbs
May 30, 1999, 12:19:21
 
Vincent: "I just thought I would let you ...   Re: Re: Thank you MS   
John Gibbs
May 30, 1999, 12:55:14
 
Sean Russell: "The reason KOM isn't  ...   Re: Re: Re: Thank you MS   
John Gibbs
May 30, 1999, 13:23:07
 
my win98 system is crashing about every  ...   Re: Re: Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome   
Erik
May 30, 1999, 14:05:28
 
In reading through a lot of this KDE vs. ...   Some of you people crack me up!   
Mark J. Bailey
May 30, 1999, 23:44:25
 
Wah dari deskripsinya, ini sih bakalan j ...   gile bener!!   
bayu irawan
May 31, 1999, 03:42:47
 
hi,
     i am a great fan of KDE but i t ...   KDE   
Atul Mehta
Jun 1, 1999, 03:21:58
 
I like where KDE is going and I have it  ...   Pulling a Microsoft   
Kelly Davis
Jun 1, 1999, 17:27:14
 
There is a Palm version of MICO (A Open  ...   Re: Re: Thank you MS   
Brody Wong
Jun 2, 1999, 01:50:15
 
I agree with those who say that the best ...   Tired   
Joern Eggers
Jun 2, 1999, 05:33:03
 
KDE is going to have the same destiny as ...   Re: Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome and   
Alex
Jun 2, 1999, 06:32:26
 
You are of course aware that the two win ...   Re: Re: Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome   
Roberto Alsina
Jun 2, 1999, 17:23:14
 
If you want to kill your PC then install ...   Win'9X-2000 - the two great things   
Green Greenevski
Jun 2, 1999, 20:03:10
 
variety is the spice of life-gnome and k ...   Mark--agree with you   
DC Thomas
Jun 2, 1999, 22:02:35
 
KDE has a set of window manager hints li ...   Re: The choice of Window Managers   
Thomas O'Rear
Jun 3, 1999, 10:41:16
 
While the QPL and GPL are not compatible ...   QPL + GPL   
David Golden
Jun 3, 1999, 11:28:15
 
This whole argument as to the merits of  ...   GNOME vs KDE   
Alan Prescott
Jun 4, 1999, 03:14:33
 
I know. What I mean is that I only use W ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gn   
Alex
Jun 4, 1999, 05:39:21
 
Windows 95 or 98 does NOT run fine on a  ...   Re: Re: Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome   
Scott Greathouse
Jun 4, 1999, 11:24:25
 
Let me tell you sonny!!  KDE is still al ...   KDE Slow??   
Eric
Jun 4, 1999, 20:56:58
 
I've actually had to reboot, but tha ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gn   
Eric
Jun 4, 1999, 21:00:40
 
FYI:
I installed Slackware 4.0.  KDE is  ...   Re: Re: Re: grrrrr   
yottskry
Jun 4, 1999, 21:21:59
 
I now use KDE rather than Gnome because  ...   Corba and Language issues   
Peter Koren
Jun 5, 1999, 10:43:30
 
I think Troll Tech has done the right th ...   QPL isn't a bad thing (unpopuluar opinion!)   
Andrew Arthur
Jun 5, 1999, 18:26:19
 
You're right, it would be a monstruo ...   Re: Re: Using GTK   
MaD ZeRG
Jun 7, 1999, 10:33:36
 
KDE team is very professional.Its to per ...   Whats behind their success ?   
balobass
Jun 7, 1999, 17:53:56
 
Why do people try to compare two differe ...   Apples and oranges   
George of the Jungle
Jun 9, 1999, 07:27:31
 
wabe (some guy who even hasn't a nam ...   Re: wabe grrr!   
Roman Fietze
Jun 9, 1999, 08:39:52
 
wabe (some guy who even hasn't a nam ...   Re: wabe grrr!   
Roman Fietze
Jun 9, 1999, 08:55:14
 
KDE and Gnome are fine. They are functio ...   IBM - OpenDoc/SOM for Linux   
Narasimhan
Jun 11, 1999, 10:39:25
 
I like KDE and the desktop has a lot tha ...   Dump link files in KDE and Win95   
Guenter Beine
Jun 14, 1999, 10:10:13
 
Hi!

On one hand, I agree. KDE made Trol ...   re: Pulling a Microsoft   
Ben Adler
Jun 15, 1999, 15:57:34
 
" A windows "environment" should not tak ...   Re: Overhaul   
ZmooC
Jun 17, 1999, 05:32:36
 
I think you all people flamming KDE, GNO ...   KDE, Gnome, den't need to be enemies   
Luis David
Jun 20, 1999, 20:01:04
 
Picasso said that mediocre artists borro ...   Re: Thank you MS   
Matt
Jun 25, 1999, 08:42:09
 
At what rebooting? 

That depends on wha ...   Re: Windows 98 run faster than both Gnome and KDE   
Sheldon
Jun 25, 1999, 12:57:42
 
I noticed a message from AC proclaiming  ...   Windows 98 does not run faster than both Gnome and   
Mark Dickie
Jul 4, 1999, 13:48:44
 
Personally i think GNOME and KDE have to ...   fragmenting of desktop managers   
xavalon
Jul 5, 1999, 07:14:59
 
I tried both and I must say that very su ...   GNOME vs. KDE   
Oleg Khlybov
Jul 22, 1999, 04:34:51
 
~~
I have Linux 2.2 installed on my Pent ...   ~ Printer problems with Linux! ~   
Lloyd W. Cary
Aug 17, 1999, 14:11:58
 
~~
I have Linux 2.2 9Red Hat 6.0) instal ...   ~ Printer problems with Linux! ~   
Lloyd W. Cary
Aug 17, 1999, 14:16:55
 
The KDE is cool! Some times the KDE is b ...   KDE   
Arthur
Aug 30, 1999, 07:28:27
 
Hi everyone,
I am new to this linux and  ...   Help with KDE and Red Hat   
Satindar Pal Singh Paintal
Sep 10, 1999, 19:03:16
 
I have noticed that KDE runs MUCH faster ...   Is there a reason behind ?   
Nikolai V.Chr.
Sep 26, 1999, 18:15:07
 
I am still stuck with windows (is sucks  ...   This is the greatest thing I ever heard!   
Lloyd Smith
Jan 8, 2000, 05:08:27
 
This is a strange problem. A search of U ...   KDE MIME problems   
Frank Arnold
Jun 7, 2000, 01:32:22
 
why you have verry simple interface for  ...   gnome with ubuntu adisions is so much better   
george
Jul 22, 2005, 08:19:58
 
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