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Inside Info on ADSL and BellSouth
Jun 2, 1999, 23 :11 UTC (79 Talkback[s]) (6195 reads)

An anonymous person who claims to be a Bellsouth Fast Access Technician (technical support) has written in with a response to the recent alleged discrimination against Linux users.

Anonymous writes:

[ Editor's Note: We are publishing this verbatim as it was received. ]

To whom it may concern:

I hope someone will post this on the net to help clarify some issues. Most of the people contacting the help desk don't even know what's really going on and have just jump on the band wagon. Also Mr. Robert Jones isn't too clear in some of his vendetta strike against BellSouth. (Related links: linuxtoday.com, www.devzero.org/bellsouthadsl)

Well as you can tell anonymity would be my best option since I am a technician at the now "famous" help desk. I want to clarify several things first of all since nobody seems to be doing that for BellSouth. The BellSouth entity composes of several factors including but not limited to the telephone company, the cable service, the internet service (the fast access branch of the ISP), the entertainment packages, etc. It's all under the name of BellSouth though on the stock market. Now with all those people shouting about boycotting BellSouth I just wanted them to know that they're boycotting several entities that don't really have much in common other than BellSouth in front of their names...

Anyways that's not the issue here. The issue is that people are calling the help desk from all over the country to voice their concerns about BellSouth's issue of not allowing Linux. Now I myself love Linux, it's a great OS and is vastly overlooked by many people. (Of course OS/2 was overlooked as well and no we don't support OS/2 either.) However there many poor unfortunate people who can't even use DOS, do you really expect them to use Linux?? OH wait... some of those people might even be computer technicians... they have their expertise in MS and Mac but that's not enough. This crowd wants everyone trained in Linux too, including ADSL installers who's main training has been in phone equipment and line setup - not computers!! Now even if we trained in Linux, which kernal are we talking about?? Which version?? Okay they might say it's all similar but we all know that Linux can be changed to the user's desire.

Back to calling the help desk though. First of all this is the technical support help desk. Need I say it again, "TECHNICAL SUPPORT" help desk, open 24/7 to help customers with existing ADSL service. We aren't 20 questions and we can't tell you why BellSouth has BellSouth's policy. We just enforce it. To tell you the truth, other than making us look like great agents with these really short calls, the technical support desk doesn't really care about the how and why when you're complaining about Linux because TECHNICAL SUPPORT can't do anything about it and that includes Rich Allen. (Please e-mail mark.moore1@bridge.bellsouth.com if you wish to talk to someone who really cares and has the power to do something about it.) I don't see people, for example, writing or calling into Sony because their new online game EverQuest only runs on supported OSs - Windows 95/98. Not even NT or MAC you say? Yes, read the box. This phone campaign started by Mr. Robert Jones is equivalent to customers calling into Sony asking them why you need a 3D card to play a 3D game or why they won't give tech support on Windows 2000 Beta. I would also like to state for the record that Robert Jones did call in several times (I think the log is like 10 calls?? somewhere around there.) Mr. Rich Allen has been sick lately and that may have been the cause of why no reply was given. However that is no excuse especially in the business world. All in all it was bad communication on both sides and we do apolgize for Mr. Jones' poor service. However, you don't see BellSouth.net sending out Mr. Jones' phone number and having everyone contact him - trust me we have all sorts of information, but we're a business and it's unethical to stab your customers in the back. (Obviously customers don't find anything ethically wrong with trying to disrupt service to others by attemping to block up the phone lines to tech support with Linux calls.) It's impolite, rude, and just plain annoying when people call and they're doing it just because they read it from some website. Now if Mr. Robert Jones wants to be a thorn in our side, I applaud his thinking, however the only people he's really hurting are other customers like him - the people who need REAL tech support and call in.

Oh and by the way Mr. Jones we haven't been swamped by calls as you put it. Anyone calling in is having their information written down and forwarded onto the corporate office where something can be done about it. We feel that it is better to place it into the hands of people who have the authority to do something about it rather than have a technician or a supervisor of the technicians explain the obvious to the people who are calling from Canada and Cincinatti and from other places about BellSouth.net's refusal to support Linux. I'm sure we can help the Canadians or even the Virginians and Californians that call in.

Another connotation that Mr. Jones made in his brief article was that BellSouth ADSL does not work on Linux. I know I've never said that before on a phone call. I just say we don't "support" Linux. How people take that is on their own. (Essentially - call in, get the service on a approved machine, register that MAC address and format your system and put Linux back on. We can't support it though so for tech support you'd need to call back with an "approved" OS.) I'm distressed at the Linux community in not being able to do something that simple, given the fact that many people call in say they're system administrators or something similar. You would think someone who can run Linux in a network environment would be able to know what they're doing when it comes to setting it up themselves. (Note: we don't support networking either... BS is working on selling a service to people with networks and it may be faster than 1.5 Mbps down and 256 up. No information to the tech support on that yet.) Oh wait, maybe these people don't know what to do to set it up for Linux (after all they're calling tech support for help about why we don't support Linux). Yet they feel that the technical support and everyone else needs to know how to use Linux? We don't discriminate, we just don't have the time and resources to teach the entire ADSL department several versions of Linux and still provide quality customer service. In other words, some people/companies just don't prefer to open Pandora's box or shoot themselves in the foot. However what can you expect in the good old USA where people can complain about everything?? We provide a service, if you don't qualify for the service or you don't like our service don't get it. It isn't BellSouth's fault if nobody else in the area offers ADSL or ADSL support for Linux.

One thing I have noticed also are customer's ignorance about ADSL setup. Most people don't even know what ADSL stands for I bet. They also complain about it not being in their service area. Oh please let me know if I start boring you... ADSL has a maximum range from the Central Office of 18,000 feet. Roughly 3 miles I believe. Now this isn't 3 miles in walking distance area but 3 miles in distance of the cable from one end to the other including all sorts of loops and turns. Another thing is ADSL service will not work, or will work extremely poorly if there are Load Coils and/or Bridge Taps on a line. There are many reasons why it will not work and we can not run new wiring out to every customer that does not qualify. Also since you can only be 18,000 ft. away from the CO the procedure for setting up ADSL tends to be on the expensive side for setting up that many areas. (They are currently doing testing on something that will make it so people farther than 18,000 ft. will be ale to get service I've been told.) Anyways from the CO, it goes to the DSLAM and then to a NID where a wire is run into the Alcatel Modem and then a patch cable goes to the NIC card in the computer. I'm sure all the Linux goorus were able to pick that up. Now tell me how many things can go wrong from the CO to the computer... (For more information go down to your local library and check out a book on ADSL.)

Extra stuff for people who may need it and who have ADSL...
DHCP issues on windows 95, 98 and Macintosh.
98 users loosing their IP address, go to...
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/cs/dhcp/
download the 194790up.exe

95 users loosing their IP address, go to...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/
scroll down to the networking section and download the socket2 update

Macs not able to obtain an IP address.
go download the 8.6 update, it's not a guaranteed fix and it's an issue Apple is working on. The cause of the problem is Open Transport 2.2.x and 2.3 doesn't always fix it either. Contact Apple for more information on it.

In the end, it comes down to the fact that this company as well as many thousands of others does not support Linux. Many versions of Linux don't even have technical support, this definitely makes it difficult for BellSouth to troubleshoot I think. I personally feel that this vendetta phone campaign is uncalled for and inconsiderate. I also feel that Mr. Jones has been given extremely poor service and we do apologize for that. The main thing though that I strive for is the removal of the ADSL phone number and Rich Allen's name from the many websites it is posted on. This phone campaign is only hurting innocent bystanders who use the ADSL service and need technical support when they run into a problem. It may even make customers more angry at people who use linux which is the exact opposite of which Mr. Jones was attempting to accomplish. Please contact the above e-mail address listed, the BellSouth corporate office, or the customer care unit to voice your complaints. They can better serve you than an ADSL technical support help desk.

(Thank you for Calling BellSouth.net Fast Access.)

Sincerely,
xxxxxx
BellSouth.net Fast Access Technician


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
It doesn't surprise me that this guy ...   Wow what a bunch of s***   
Patrick Lambert
Jun 2, 1999, 23:27:38
 
The letter was full of opinion to say th ...   Laborious letter   
Kent Nguyen
Jun 2, 1999, 23:36:38
 
This response is most unsatisfactory.  I ...   So you have to by Win95?   
Steve Bergman
Jun 2, 1999, 23:37:37
 
Where is the logic in this?

"Oh and by  ...   Hmm.. this is funny   
Displaced Cajun
Jun 2, 1999, 23:38:16
 
"This phone
 campaign started by Mr. Rob ...   Missing the point   
Prosolis
Jun 2, 1999, 23:55:07
 
Seems like BS ought to train their phone ...   Easy Solution   
Ralph Adamson
Jun 2, 1999, 23:55:33
 
This is a Good Thing(tm).

Consider: We  ...   Keep up the Pressure   
Steve Mize
Jun 3, 1999, 00:08:30
 
To BellSouth:  

I have an ISDN line and ...   Who pays...?   
Pierre Fortin
Jun 3, 1999, 00:20:07
 
Well........all that BS can be answered  ...   WoW!!.......   
Felipe Echeverria
Jun 3, 1999, 00:20:25
 
Most of the posts I've seen here and ...   He's missing the point.   
Rod
Jun 3, 1999, 00:21:40
 
Have a look at this his slight slip of t ...   This Anonymous is Mr. Rich Allen himself...   
totoy
Jun 3, 1999, 00:23:53
 
Anonymous is worried about having to sup ...   missing the point   
dsj
Jun 3, 1999, 00:34:23
 
Point being that there is NO support req ...   Mr. Anon misses the point   
Felix Finch
Jun 3, 1999, 00:35:50
 
Obviously they don't hire the bright ...   Huh?   
Fiachra
Jun 3, 1999, 00:49:28
 
This is babble.  It is actually proof th ...   ISP can be someone else.   
brett
Jun 3, 1999, 00:56:07
 
 I think this person missed the entire G ...   Long winded   
Sean
Jun 3, 1999, 01:02:58
 
I don't need you're help with li ...   You couldn't support me!   
Frank Pittel
Jun 3, 1999, 01:15:19
 
I can understand your organization not w ...   My letter to suggested address   
Esko Woudenberg
Jun 3, 1999, 01:18:29
 
I see what you all are saying, and much  ...   Stand back and look at the real message   
makohund
Jun 3, 1999, 01:56:46
 
If the techs caried Windows laptops with ...   Take a laptop   
Greg Mildenhall
Jun 3, 1999, 01:59:13
 
This individual makes what appears to be ...   Still missing the points   
Mark Evans
Jun 3, 1999, 02:00:22
 
After spending way too long responding t ...   The solution seems to be clear   
makohund
Jun 3, 1999, 02:40:49
 
After reading the saga of BS not install ...   MS & BS Conspiracy?   
mamat
Jun 3, 1999, 03:24:26
 
brett wrote:


brett:  I use DSL at home ...   brett: DHCP works fine...   
DigiPhox
Jun 3, 1999, 03:31:28
 

Remember that Bell South is a monopoly. ...   Bell South is a monopoly   
Ramana Juvvadi
Jun 3, 1999, 04:43:32
 
Linux users are usually willing to provi ...   Just come install the hardware   
Maciej Stachowiak
Jun 3, 1999, 04:54:05
 
What is so hard to understand? These guy ...   What's so hard to understand?   
Meni0n
Jun 3, 1999, 06:14:11
 
I can turn the same arguments back in yo ...   Long-winded drivel.   
Frobozz
Jun 3, 1999, 06:29:52
 
Anonymous is lying through his teeth whe ...   Anonymous is lying   
theHippo
Jun 3, 1999, 07:19:47
 
Here's the problem:  BellSouth is a  ...   To Mr. Anonymous   
Chris Goodwin
Jun 3, 1999, 07:28:47
 
"Now with all those people shouting abou ...   Boycotting BellSouth   
Matt Perry
Jun 3, 1999, 07:48:44
 
At about the same time that all of this  ...   BellSouth's response to me   
Roy Garris
Jun 3, 1999, 08:13:27
 
[This is verbatim]

Vanerin:

Several po ...   My response to "Vanerin:   
Robert Jones
Jun 3, 1999, 08:18:59
 
This issue is NO different from the days ...   No different than phones   
Kenneth Scharf
Jun 3, 1999, 08:19:34
 
For as much money as they charge to inst ...   This is utterly ridiculous   
Tim Kelley
Jun 3, 1999, 08:45:08
 
"BS doesn't support networking"

(wh ...   no networking MY ass   
Tim Kelley
Jun 3, 1999, 08:48:23
 
When this guy says install windoz and af ...   Monopoly supporters   
Narsi
Jun 3, 1999, 09:02:54
 
As someone who lives in Atlanta I have f ...   Just another doomed monoply   
Greg Carter
Jun 3, 1999, 09:05:02
 
Ok with all these problems of people get ...   What service are they selling, DSL or OS tech supp   
Ed Bugg
Jun 3, 1999, 09:13:56
 
As someone who has Bellsouth ADSL servic ...   Many of you are missing the point!!   
Gerry Gilmore
Jun 3, 1999, 09:53:21
 
Exactly.

The original problem was NOT c ...   Re: Mr. Anon misses the point   
P. Schilling
Jun 3, 1999, 10:29:18
 
It seems that there are two core issues  ...   Re: Many of you are missing the point!!   
Mapu
Jun 3, 1999, 10:53:33
 
Well, they do have a # of agreements, th ...   Re: MS & BS Conspiracy?   
Ramtha
Jun 3, 1999, 11:06:35
 
Hey,

What I expect in support is that t ...   What a Linux user wants!   
Walt Shekrota
Jun 3, 1999, 11:48:08
 
I've had a day to calm down, look ba ...   Not being disrespectful   
Jarrod Henry
Jun 3, 1999, 12:02:46
 
The problem is you refused to install th ...   it's not the support stupid!   
Ken Beaumont
Jun 3, 1999, 12:16:29
 
Counts from my last comment up:

Microso ...   That other company:   
Jarrod Henry
Jun 3, 1999, 12:22:29
 
After reading the origenal posting and t ...   What am I seeing here???   
Vidar
Jun 3, 1999, 12:56:44
 
But they DID install the line and the br ...   Covad doesn't install Linux.   
khasim
Jun 3, 1999, 13:17:00
 
I suppose BS won't install if you us ...   What about SUN, HP, AIX, etc?   
clay
Jun 3, 1999, 14:05:04
 
This letter shows that BellSouth has don ...   BellSouth did a crappy job of..   
Hugh McCreery
Jun 3, 1999, 14:41:12
 
Vidar? Are you paying for our copy of Wi ...   Vidar? Are you paying???   
Michael J. Ball
Jun 3, 1999, 15:19:46
 
Vidar:
1. You seemed to have missed some ...   Response to Vidar   
Digital Wokan
Jun 3, 1999, 15:24:00
 
The problem here isn't that Bell Sou ...   Who needs "support" for linux   
Chris Horner
Jun 3, 1999, 16:32:32
 
This was one of the most stupid pieces o ...   Thats it - Im leaving BS   
R Perkins
Jun 3, 1999, 16:40:19
 
Is he idiot?

We are using same kernel y ...   Too many version of Linux??   
Albert
Jun 3, 1999, 17:49:53
 
Seems our anonymous tech didn't addr ...   Wait a minute.   
Drayke
Jun 3, 1999, 19:50:30
 
Is it just me, or is this justifying not ...   Incompatible   
Joe Vrablik
Jun 3, 1999, 20:39:31
 
Simple instructions to the installation  ...   Its to easy!   
Kurt C. Anderson
Jun 3, 1999, 23:38:59
 
The most ridiculous thing is that they w ...   Smells like RR   
Mike Finn
Jun 4, 1999, 09:25:16
 
As has been noted many times above, Linu ...   Make them a business proposition   
Russell Kneebone
Jun 4, 1999, 09:25:23
 
first off, I am a linux aficionado.  I a ...   Be reasonable (bellsouth is right!) (long post)   
jack
Jun 5, 1999, 05:09:14
 
Did I miss something?  If the quote belo ...   BS is trying to be big brother   
Wade Parker
Jun 15, 1999, 09:46:52
 
Sure, I'd prefer a static IP myself, ...   Static IP is a red herring   
Robert Krawitz
Jun 15, 1999, 10:08:41
 
When i was talking to beta testers runni ...   Escaped something very similar, pure dung!   
bob
Jun 15, 1999, 10:39:57
 
When I had @HOME installed, they said th ...   Responce to Michael J. Ball   
Daniel Gallant
Jun 15, 1999, 11:59:16
 
Bell south should be left behind in the  ...   Bunch of Freakin Hicks!!!   
Opie
Jun 15, 1999, 13:46:47
 
DHCP works fine with Linux, though you n ...   Re: ISP can be someone else.   
Stefan Mochnacki
Jun 15, 1999, 16:20:37
 
No problems with Shaw ( @Home ) in Richm ...   Shaw@home have a "do-it-yourself" option.   
Stefan Mochnacki
Jun 15, 1999, 16:29:58
 
I believe that BellSouth's guy is ri ...   Lemmings   
Alex VonYonkers
Jun 15, 1999, 18:59:29
 
Geez..Tech support linux?  
Anyone who c ...   Who *NEEDS* tech support?   
Adderall
Jun 16, 1999, 06:34:45
 
i dont get you guys, and i dont care if  ...   forget about it   
egghead
Jun 17, 1999, 03:07:37
 
I recently ordered adsl service from BS, ...   confused would-be BS customer   
chris
Jul 20, 1999, 07:57:14
 
I have to say it,

LINUX USERS NEED NO T ...   linux users need no tech support   
Brad
Aug 20, 1999, 18:32:37
 
look, i recently got bellsouth adsl inst ...   ADSL rocks! get it!   
brent verner
Sep 9, 1999, 07:46:37
 
This anonymous guy's reply is nothin ...   Why can't BS offer "limited support" for Linux   
Scott Clausnitzer
Dec 30, 1999, 09:28:39
 
Maybe I'm missing something from thi ...   What is technicial support?????   
Gordon Johnson
Aug 26, 2000, 18:45:32
 
Geez!!! Shut up already. Bellsouth is un ...   Linux newbie whiners- shut up   
Bill K
Feb 13, 2001, 16:08:10
 
     No kidding. Having been a help desk ...   Re: Linux newbie whiners- shut up   
Methusela
Jan 6, 2002, 04:12:14
 
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