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Dave Whitinger -- The Battle That Could Lose Us The War
Nov 5, 1999, 01 :46 UTC (192 Talkback[s]) (50427 reads)

(Other stories by Dave Whitinger)

By Dave Whitinger, dave@wmkt.com (Temporary E-Mail account)

Linux is quickly becoming the operating system of the future, thanks in part to the advanced type of development that we refer to as Free Software, or Open Source, as well as the rock-solid features that are present in Linux. It is the ultimate server platform.

Linux is also enjoying success as a desktop workstation. My wife, Trish, makes the perfect example of the typical desktop user.

When we became married in August of 1996, she was a complete computer illiterate, having never even used a Windows or Unix machine. I presented her with a choice:

  1. I will give her a Windows computer, but will offer nothing in the way of technical support or training assistance.
  2. I will give her a Linux box, and will give her complete technical support and training assistance.

A New Hope

Not knowing the difference anyway, she chose the latter, and found herself extremely happy with a rock-solid desktop.

She enjoys her Red Hat Linux 6.1 workstation. Coupled with the K Desktop Environment and various applications that I have installed for her, she's ready to go. She has her TkRat E-Mail program, Netscape Navigator, notepad text editor, licq, games, the Gimp, and a variety of other nice applications, all accessed via a friendly interface.

Finding friends in mailing lists and on-line web-based chat groups, she was happy as a clam. She would fire up her Netscape Navigator and hit any web site she wanted, and was constantly bragging to her friends about this great computer operating system that she had the privilege of using.

The Empire Strikes Back

...Until the day that Netscape Navigator, her web browser, her window to the outside world, the major purpose for using the computer, simply disappeared from her desktop while she was browsing.

Trish turned to me, confusion spread across her face, and opined, "Dave, my Netscape has simply vanished from my screen. Perhaps you have telneted in and did a kill -9 on it?"

Dave responds, "Absolutely not! Why would I do that? Let's examine the problem more closely, that the answer to this perplexing issue will reveal itself."

Upon further investigation, it turns out that Netscape apparantly did not "like" the Java code that was being incorporated into one of the websites that Trish frequents. My solution: Turn off Java.

A very important and critical issue is realized here. At this point, Trish's computer is not as powerful as all of her friends' Windows computers. If they can access certain Java-enabled pages that she cannot, she is being left out, all because she chose to use Linux.

Fade to 2 or 3 weeks later.

Trish: "Dave, this website is telling me that I cannot use their services."

Dave: "What's the URL?"

Examining the website, it turns out that it is using some special kind of plugin that is only available for Windows or Macintosh platforms. I explained to Trish that she simply will not be able to access the services on this website, until they decide to make this plugin available for Linux. A short and polite note to the webmaster later, there was nothing we could do, and the issue was closed, and Trish's computer became even less valuable to her.

Fade to 2 or 3 more weeks later.

Trish: "Dave, this website is telling me that I am using an unsupported web browser, and cannot view the pages within."

Dave: "Okay, this is starting to make me angry. The web was initially created as a completely open environment where multimedia can be viewed, regardless of your platform. It's a platform independant medium, yet here are people making platform dependant websites."

Trish: "That's great that you feel that way, but I just want to access this coupon website! All my friends say they are getting great deals, and I'm missing out! Oh, and now my netscape just froze again! Argh, (killall -9 netscape ; rm ~/.netscape/lock) again. I want a Windows computer like all my friends have."

I hung my head in shame, realizing that if she is going to be able to take full advantage of the web, she will need a Windows computer. Trish, who has used nothing but Linux for over 3 years, and is completely happy with her computer, now feels the need to switch to Windows so that she can get the same web-browsing features as her friends.

Does this sound like a big deal to you, gentle reader? If it does, than I have accomplished my mission. If it does not, read on:

In 1994, I hated Netscape Communications, Inc. The way they were embracing and extending the HTML standards was starting to become very disturbing for me. The more websites that I found that said that it uses Netscape Extensions, the more angry I became.

Then Netscape released Navigator for Linux, and everybody loved them again. They were our saviour, completing the picture of a perfect desktop for Linux users. We were all Linux users, browsing any site we wished, enjoying the satisfaction of having a great web browser for our desktop.

Then Microsoft created Internet Explorer. Then Microsoft won the "Browser War". Then webmasters began using some of the "advanced" features of Internet Explorer, shutting out Netscape users.

Problem yet? Still not convinced? Okay, let's fast forward 1 year:

Microsoft owns 99% of the web browser market share, and they control the HTTP protocol. They start adding a huge variety of features to their "Internet Information Server", their competitor to Apache, to offer advanced features to Internet Explorer clients. At this point, sites being served by Apache become useless. Then Linux becomes obsolete as a web server platform. Then Microsoft wins the war, and we're right back to square one, and proprietary technology wins again.

Return of the Jedi

On April 1st, 1998, Netscape Communications, Inc. made one final redeeming move. They released the source code to Netscape Navigator, freeing it to the Free Software community to do with as they chose.

1 and a half years later, this browser is still nowhere near completion. There is a band of rebels working feverishly on the code, trying to bring it to a usable state as quickly as possible. Plagued with problems and set-backs, Mozilla continues forward, currently at "Milestone 10". Will we see a completely usable web browser for Linux in time to save us from seeing a new monopoly for Microsoft be created?

Attention: This is the battle that could cost us the war. If we come together and push all of our might toward a Free Web Browser for Linux, we have a good chance of winning this battle. If we fail, we will lose the war. This is the issue that Microsoft wants us to overlook.

I am making a personal committment to get involved with the Mozilla project. It is the project with the most potential to become this Free Web Browser that we so desperately need. Netscape is NOT going to save us this time. Netscape has failed us, and it's time to take matters into our own hands.

If we fail, we will lose the war.

Add that to your .signature:

If we fail, we will lose the war.

And repeat it every morning to yourself:

If we fail, we will lose the war.

When you are looking over Mozilla, finding items that could use your contribution, remember:

If we fail, we will lose the war.

The truth of the matter, friends and esteemed members of the community:

If we fail, we will lose the war.


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Just thinking the same thing.  KDE's ...   I agree.   
Scott Smith
Nov 5, 1999, 02:01:39
 
Tragically this it too true.It's no  ...   Re: The Battle thta could lose us the war   
Paul Maynard
Nov 5, 1999, 02:06:56
 
I agree with you about the seriousness o ...   Why are there no Mozilla Sponsors?   
Kolley Kibber
Nov 5, 1999, 02:08:26
 
Load up a copy of VMWARE and a copy of W ...   There's hope!   
Eman
Nov 5, 1999, 02:28:41
 
Hello Dave!	I agree in that we need a go ...   I agree!   
Hugo Gayosso
Nov 5, 1999, 02:30:41
 
 OPERA may be the answer instead of Mozi ...   KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR   
Mark Drake
Nov 5, 1999, 02:31:25
 
There needs to be more than one free web ...   And not just netscape   
David Johnson
Nov 5, 1999, 02:31:59
 
Are these extensions making the site ina ...   Accessibility question   
Ben Tilly
Nov 5, 1999, 02:55:34
 
You said it, brother! I used to say ever ...   I know it is redundunt, but...   
Eugene K.
Nov 5, 1999, 02:56:27
 
Linux is not at war.  Some Linux users a ...   There is no war dave.   
Ted Staberow
Nov 5, 1999, 03:16:46
 
Dave- I've been trying to find an an ...   Linux and Java   
JC Jaros
Nov 5, 1999, 03:17:02
 
Dave is absolutely correct: Mozilla is p ...   Mozilla is critical!   
Art Cancro
Nov 5, 1999, 03:17:17
 
Okay, heresy time - i have a Mac and Lin ...   IE for Linux   
Simon Swain
Nov 5, 1999, 03:21:27
 
Here is some info off of Grails web page ...   Grail Browser   
mike
Nov 5, 1999, 03:25:11
 
All to true....

We have the most stable ...   Amen...   
Deskjock
Nov 5, 1999, 03:35:44
 
"But I can't code.. how can I help"  ...   Programmers   
Rob Kennedy
Nov 5, 1999, 03:43:41
 
If MS wins the browser war, then platfor ...   I hope Thomas Jackson's listening   
dizmart
Nov 5, 1999, 03:44:12
 
I also agree, but as said before there a ...   We need to chip in   
Carlos P
Nov 5, 1999, 03:44:14
 
Having built and maintained an NT ISP fo ...   As If:   
Gordon Fecyk
Nov 5, 1999, 03:48:03
 
Moz could turn out to be the greatest th ...   This doesn't address the plugin issue   
Brad Felmey
Nov 5, 1999, 03:52:12
 
NS barfs on java? Give hotjava a try. Ju ...   hotjava and dual-boot; there's your answer   
tramzid
Nov 5, 1999, 03:55:43
 
When I installed Linux 0.9X, I didn' ...   I have my doubt   
Jianmang Li
Nov 5, 1999, 04:01:44
 
I was thinking, exactly how does a free  ...   How does Mozilla address problems 2 & 3?   
drchungj
Nov 5, 1999, 04:08:09
 
 Apache IS the UNDISBUTED CHAMPION of we ...   key is apache not mozilla   
shad0w
Nov 5, 1999, 04:10:12
 
This is a VERY good scenario of what MS  ...   Well Stated, standard MS strategy!   
Scott Collins
Nov 5, 1999, 04:28:02
 
The nice talk about standards compliance ...   Glad to see so many are getting it!!!   
dinotrac
Nov 5, 1999, 04:31:26
 
I've been using Opera for windoze fo ...   My 2 Cents Worth   
Wally B
Nov 5, 1999, 04:35:47
 
although the cost is a bummer, you can u ...   not all is lost - OPERA   
peter renshaw
Nov 5, 1999, 04:43:25
 
I completely agree with this scenario.   ...   the Java solution   
Henry Story
Nov 5, 1999, 04:47:19
 
Netscape is an embarassment to Linux use ...   Linux Netscape   
J Coleman
Nov 5, 1999, 04:54:24
 
I'm not a coder.  What I do when I c ...   If you can't code complain.   
Ed Collins
Nov 5, 1999, 04:57:22
 
As WINE matures, it'll matter progre ...   WINE too   
cr
Nov 5, 1999, 04:58:45
 
Where do I sign to ask Macromedia for Sh ...   Where is the shockwave petition?   
ac
Nov 5, 1999, 05:14:44
 
I agree with this assessment.  That' ...   Browsers are windows of Linux opportunity!   
dc
Nov 5, 1999, 05:19:38
 
I agree. This battle could make us lose  ...   I agree and disagree   
Cesar Bolaños
Nov 5, 1999, 05:23:08
 
Ive been with the open source community  ...   OSS & OSC   
Shawn
Nov 5, 1999, 05:42:34
 
See here for the fix: http://www.linuxga ...   Fixing Java   
Lucas Bradstreet
Nov 5, 1999, 05:49:47
 
All said in the article is too true.In a ...   It is not just Browser.   
Steve
Nov 5, 1999, 05:55:57
 
A few of the comments above would lead s ...   netscape is rather good   
Henry
Nov 5, 1999, 06:08:47
 
Amen to that !!! ...   RE: OSS & OSC   
?????????
Nov 5, 1999, 06:12:46
 
I have 4 Linux boxs and 2 Win95 boxes ne ...   Well let's see.....   
Henri Schlereth
Nov 5, 1999, 06:12:58
 
For most people, the browser is the comp ...   the browser is the computer   
mirschick
Nov 5, 1999, 06:14:19
 
He is probably refering to the fact that ...   Re: Linux and Java   
James Henstridge
Nov 5, 1999, 06:43:25
 
The truth is i'm a windows user that ...   I definitely AGREE!!!!!!!!!!   
seyi
Nov 5, 1999, 06:52:27
 
I'm amazed at this. Normally I love  ...   Back to reality   
Eric L
Nov 5, 1999, 06:54:24
 
finally a linux person admitsthat linux  ...   truth in advertising!   
phil
Nov 5, 1999, 07:04:17
 
Netscape 4.7 on my redhat6.0 personal se ...   I strongly agree, with 1 caveat   
bovindra
Nov 5, 1999, 07:35:17
 
Will be the best browser , will be the f ...   mozilla   
stewart hector
Nov 5, 1999, 07:55:59
 
I thought he was talking about linux&#39 ...   Re: Linux and Java   
John Eikenberry
Nov 5, 1999, 08:13:43
 
Well, Mozilla is a monster of quickly ha ...   Don´t waste time on broken code   
Mort
Nov 5, 1999, 08:48:23
 
To the " truth in advertising " posting  ...   the real problem - PROPRIETORY PROTOCOLS   
geoff lane
Nov 5, 1999, 08:59:04
 
There is a war.  Let me explain the part ...   Re. There is no war dave.   
Kevin Forge
Nov 5, 1999, 09:04:23
 
 Just a small note - if a for-business w ...   Coupon website   
Bjørn Steensrud
Nov 5, 1999, 09:05:05
 
Excuse me, but what has your post to do  ...   Re: As If:   
Arjen Laarhoven
Nov 5, 1999, 09:20:44
 
http://www.netcraft.com/survey has shown ...   Netcraft showing some recent trend changes   
Anthony David
Nov 5, 1999, 09:36:14
 
I've used computers since the beginn ...   Why I can't use Linux   
Andreas Björck
Nov 5, 1999, 09:43:31
 
You must work for Micro$oft, no? You&#39 ...   Re: truth in advertising!   
Joseph Nicholson
Nov 5, 1999, 09:55:40
 
The Netscape browser is stagnating and m ...   The one thing we lack is the most important: a tru   
Shiva
Nov 5, 1999, 10:20:23
 
If IBM couldn't keep up with all the ...   It's about Politics !!!   
joe
Nov 5, 1999, 10:21:07
 
I agree with Dave.Go on Mozilla. Waiting ...   I agree   
Jun Fonte
Nov 5, 1999, 10:42:06
 
Someone mentioned "if Netscape can't ...   Re: the Java solution   
John Hayward-Warburton
Nov 5, 1999, 11:24:46
 
I find it very interesting that some peo ...   Mozilla bashing   
Miroslav Silovic
Nov 5, 1999, 11:35:31
 
We can also move a campaign to boycott s ...   Boycott sites wich use M$ extensions   
Manoel Pinho
Nov 5, 1999, 11:39:10
 
I have worried about this for a while no ...   You have hit the nail on the head   
Andrew Mayo
Nov 5, 1999, 11:43:30
 
Protocols, browsers, OSs, have all been  ...   another angle ...   
Budd
Nov 5, 1999, 11:50:22
 
It is so easy to lock out a particular b ...   Proprietary extensions   
Jeff Hall
Nov 5, 1999, 11:53:58
 
Coolsavings.com is a coupon site that re ...   Coolsavings.com?   
Eric Windisch
Nov 5, 1999, 11:54:19
 
...is about standards. We need to look a ...   The real war...   
Thomas Ribbrock
Nov 5, 1999, 12:30:40
 
I've tried the following approaches. ...   money talks   
Dan
Nov 5, 1999, 12:54:08
 
Heya,Take a look at this page.. it lists ...   Netscape's plugin 'by platform' page   
Rob Kennedy
Nov 5, 1999, 13:02:36
 
Just give me something to do ...   Ok   
Ólafur Jón
Nov 5, 1999, 13:06:56
 
To win the war, we have to win the war.  ...   How we can really win the war   
Ian Carr-de Avelon
Nov 5, 1999, 13:09:19
 
Linux is doing well !

Linux is the darl ...   Nonesense !   
toboy
Nov 5, 1999, 13:14:54
 
  It I find it strange that alot of peop ...   The Browser Wars   
Steve
Nov 5, 1999, 13:21:28
 
Writing a basic browser is relatively ea ...   Re: Linux Netscape   
Larry Yates
Nov 5, 1999, 13:24:20
 
See posts by Alan Flavell and Arjun Ray  ...   Deja news all over again...   
damaged justice
Nov 5, 1999, 13:29:56
 

On the Netscape issue I don't think ...   Nothing to Fear !   
Okonkwo
Nov 5, 1999, 13:43:44
 
I am getting sick and tired of all this  ...   Web sites   
Paul
Nov 5, 1999, 13:47:54
 
Gordon, I agree you are a truly remarkab ...   reply to Gordon Fecyck   
Peter R
Nov 5, 1999, 13:53:14
 
I am going to put a web page called "Sit ...   I am gonna do something about it.   
Jupiter Punungwe
Nov 5, 1999, 13:59:18
 
Ok, we're used to get our browsers f ...   Opera-browser most compliant   
m00seT
Nov 5, 1999, 14:18:40
 
I am rather inexperienced with Linux.  I ...   Netscape, KDE, and compatibility   
Bob Dunn
Nov 5, 1999, 14:20:09
 
The problem is twofold. (1) Dave is righ ...   Shame the sysops   
steve poling
Nov 5, 1999, 14:23:27
 
Businesses don't give a flip about w ...   This will never end   
William Lacy
Nov 5, 1999, 14:25:51
 
Mozilla is much more important the Konqu ...   Mozilla is **MORE** important than Konqueror   
john
Nov 5, 1999, 14:37:28
 
Netscape crashing on RedHat 6.0 is a kno ...   Netscape.   
Gonzo, The code-monkey of Love
Nov 5, 1999, 14:38:01
 
RMS's point about using free softwar ...   Stick to the free stuff guys!   
Tim Wasson
Nov 5, 1999, 14:42:31
 
The danger posed by IE is that it tries  ...   Standards are the thing...   
Charles
Nov 5, 1999, 14:49:56
 
About Netscape crashing on Linux because ...   JAVA   
C. Numan
Nov 5, 1999, 14:56:53
 
I don't understand why people don&#3 ...   Re: I agree and disagree   
Narbey Derbekyan
Nov 5, 1999, 14:58:36
 
Mozilla has had two problems:
1. Long ti ...   Mozillas problems:   
Tim Wasson
Nov 5, 1999, 14:59:00
 
Since he broke the ice, I guess I have t ...   Re: IE for Linux   
Jacob Lee
Nov 5, 1999, 15:00:23
 
Has any one tried Star Office with the B ...   Star Office   
Dave Sneddon
Nov 5, 1999, 15:02:37
 
...look 
here. That's not exactly va ...   Netscape != Mozilla...   
Martin Vermeer
Nov 5, 1999, 15:22:53
 
Free software will not die.  The war you ...   Re: Re. There is no war dave.   
Joseph Chandler
Nov 5, 1999, 15:23:21
 
If we fail we will lose the war, but rem ...   The Battle   
Fernando Delgado
Nov 5, 1999, 15:38:39
 
Could someone develope middleware to nor ...   ?middleware to normalize Java?   
Tom
Nov 5, 1999, 15:42:26
 
Phil,

There is a very important factor  ...   Re: truth in advertising!   
Jerry
Nov 5, 1999, 15:43:27
 
Http is a controlling protocol now, but  ...   I disagree   
Tom
Nov 5, 1999, 15:58:02
 
Let's forget about Opera, Konqueror, ...   Mozilla is the only answer; forget the others   
Casey Perkins
Nov 5, 1999, 15:58:49
 
Everyone, let's forward this Mozilla ...   forward this article   
Casey Perkins
Nov 5, 1999, 16:04:29
 
What will become open source without a L ...   browser war: Open source is at stake!!!   
ioan gartner
Nov 5, 1999, 16:07:21
 
We are in deep doo-doo until it is possi ...   I still think you're right, Dave!   
dinotrac
Nov 5, 1999, 16:10:39
 
I can't use Quicken anymore, so I si ...   netscape, cookies and banking   
Ben Rosenberg
Nov 5, 1999, 16:27:50
 
Britian has recently been showing great  ...   Re: It's about Politics !!!   
Charles Hixson
Nov 5, 1999, 17:00:26
 
Martin said:
" That makes it so importan ...   Martin, you hit it!   
Tim Wasson
Nov 5, 1999, 17:00:31
 
If it becomes necessary, it's easy e ...   Re: Proprietary extensions   
Charles Hixson
Nov 5, 1999, 17:05:13
 
The theme here is that by winning the we ...   An other front   
Kenneth Scharf
Nov 5, 1999, 17:27:43
 
Has anyone tried to use IE under WINE? ...   IE on WINE?   
Kenneth Scharf
Nov 5, 1999, 17:28:57
 
I recently encountered my share of brows ...   Communicator 4.7x   
T.K. Givens
Nov 5, 1999, 17:47:40
 
One of the problems with forums like thi ...   To Ted Staberow: There *is* war.   
John Koperski
Nov 5, 1999, 17:53:26
 
Why ask MS. There is alerdy one that you ...   Re: IE for Linux   
zaw
Nov 5, 1999, 18:25:18
 
I just downloaded the latest nightly bui ...   In defense of Mozilla   
VanL
Nov 5, 1999, 18:50:48
 
This is how I solved your problem at my  ...   The 2-machine solution   
DrJ
Nov 5, 1999, 19:02:43
 
Actually, Mozilla (hopefully) will be ab ...   Re: This doesn't address the plugin issue   
Cagatay Kavukcuoglu
Nov 5, 1999, 19:12:13
 
Well stated Dave!If Mozilla could be fin ...   I agree.   
Codifex Maximus
Nov 5, 1999, 19:26:55
 
The problem outlined is a problem for Li ...   And here is the problem   
Christian Gross
Nov 5, 1999, 20:17:02
 
Our best bet, I think, is to send lots o ...   let us voice out opinion to these sites   
James Lamm
Nov 5, 1999, 20:35:10
 
Here is a quote from the Wget manual.  W ...   Netscape's attitude about Mozilla SUCKS   
Tim Wasson
Nov 5, 1999, 20:52:26
 
I had an idea: What if there was somethi ...   Encourage Open Standards   
James Keller
Nov 5, 1999, 21:15:10
 
The problem with the Java crashing Netsc ...   Java/Netscape on RH6.*- and screw MS specific site   
Sam Hart
Nov 5, 1999, 21:41:24
 
>Having built and maintained an NT ISP f ...   They Like Linux in the Monastery???   
llywrch
Nov 5, 1999, 21:44:23
 
Dave brings up some good points regardin ...   A Problem Even Worse than Browser Compatibility   
R.C. Davis
Nov 5, 1999, 22:26:48
 
Java 1.2 is only implemented by Sun.  It ...   Re: JAVA   
Jacob Kjome
Nov 5, 1999, 22:35:39
 
Mozilla is NOT a bloated web browser, it ...   Re: I know it is redundunt, but...   
Lemming
Nov 5, 1999, 22:41:54
 
I've been using computers since a co ...   Tip of The Iceberg   
R.D. Parrish
Nov 6, 1999, 02:08:24
 
We have to look at the reasons that MS I ...   Re: How does Mozilla address problems 2 & 3?   
spwolf
Nov 6, 1999, 07:24:43
 
I've been thinking about the problem ...   GPL'd browser project.   
Levi
Nov 6, 1999, 22:43:40
 
It's a well known psycological fact  ...   This is Microsoft Propaganda (F.U.D.)   
anonamous
Nov 7, 1999, 00:21:51
 
I totally agree about Mozilla. I just do ...   Re: In defense of Mozilla   
Erik Monson
Nov 7, 1999, 02:52:10
 
It works, sort of, but I wouldn't ca ...   Reply to IE and Wine   
Dave S
Nov 7, 1999, 14:09:12
 
The fix in the link http://www.linuxgaze ...   Re: Fixing Java   
Bruce Elrick
Nov 7, 1999, 18:46:37
 
Dave, could you please explain, what you ...   "Netscape has failed us"?   
Ben Bucksch
Nov 7, 1999, 20:39:17
 
Mozilla is great, but if MS gets their w ...   Email-Bomb them into compliance   
Hal Burgiss
Nov 8, 1999, 01:10:30
 
For those of you who, like Dave Whitinge ...   Want to get involved?   
Eric Krock
Nov 8, 1999, 02:13:03
 
I'm clueless in legal things, but MS ...   Re: Netscape's attitude about Mozilla SUCKS   
Badben
Nov 8, 1999, 10:08:02
 
http://www.mozilla.org/get-involved.html ...   What *you* can do   
Ben Bucksch
Nov 8, 1999, 10:27:25
 
Unfortunately, it's not that simple: ...   Konqueror features (Re: I agree and disagree)   
Jindra Vavruska
Nov 8, 1999, 10:49:23
 
Netscape hasn't failed anyone becaus ...   netscape   
cbb
Nov 9, 1999, 17:16:40
 
Odd I can't recall any sites that do ...   Hrm..   
MikeFM
Nov 9, 1999, 22:59:45
 
Dave:  Good article.  If I were a hacker ...   Your article   
Sean
Nov 10, 1999, 15:14:28
 
There is a little point that I really do ...   Use it today   
Erik Putrycz
Nov 10, 1999, 16:44:17
 
    As a proud *NIX user,  I was appalle ...   IIS 3 and 4   
Lurene Angela Wolf
Nov 10, 1999, 22:18:05
 
Right on!Yet again, another troll has di ...   Re: This is Microsoft Propaganda (F.U.D.)   
Mark N.
Nov 11, 1999, 03:52:21
 
I can remeber before MS IE, and other ma ...   Browsers   
art
Nov 11, 1999, 04:09:41
 
Well.. reading some of these comments ha ...   Stuff   
Sleepy
Nov 11, 1999, 06:37:41
 
What amazes me is the focus of many of t ...   Competition and Innovation   
BJV
Nov 11, 1999, 06:46:31
 
   One thing that majorly needs attentio ...   Hugh step in the war   
Joseph Crim
Nov 11, 1999, 15:34:20
 
The Mac is a much more serious threat to ...   Re: Re: IE for Linux   
J.McGuire
Nov 12, 1999, 18:47:26
 
The problem with your premise is that Li ...   Linux will never be Windows   
Tony Z.
Nov 12, 1999, 20:19:01
 
Wine (WINdows Emulator), available at ,  ...   Use WINE!   
Peter Pentescu
Nov 12, 1999, 20:39:08
 
Linux is simply not the desktop of the f ...   Reality Check!! Linux right now is not the desktop   
DHTML Fiend
Nov 12, 1999, 21:47:42
 
It isn't a war over technology. It i ...   The hive collective   
Dan Conine
Nov 12, 1999, 22:01:43
 
There is no such thing as 'needing t ...   Someone Get this guy a Mac!   
Sedil
Nov 13, 1999, 00:37:14
 
All IS lost if all you can count on is O ...   Re: not all is lost - OPERA   
Gregg
Nov 13, 1999, 18:56:07
 
I think, we should keep in mind OPERA br ...   OPERA is a sample   
Eduard
Nov 14, 1999, 15:37:13
 
What a great idea!  I am currently using ...   Re: I am gonna do something about it.   
Bill Quillinan
Nov 14, 1999, 18:28:43
 
I think it would be more productive to g ...   Re: Shame the sysops   
Bill Quillinan
Nov 14, 1999, 19:09:55
 
In order to keep the free stuff out ther ...   Re: Stick to the free stuff guys!   
Bill Quillinan
Nov 14, 1999, 19:47:44
 
So, the Gosling Java on Linux (Linux arc ...   Re: Re: Linux and Java   
John Jaros
Nov 14, 1999, 23:38:17
 
Dave,You make an important point.  With  ...   Re:Dave Whitinger -- The Battle That Could Lose Us   
Joseph H. Sanders
Nov 15, 1999, 18:38:52
 
I am using Red Hat Linux 6.1 right now.. ...   VMware Saves the Day!   
Jesse Keene
Nov 15, 1999, 22:57:38
 
Hello,I am doing a research paper on the ...   Linux vs. NT   
M. John
Nov 17, 1999, 15:42:39
 
Sorry for the late addition.Netscape wil ...   FIX: Check yer fonts.   
mike Rasmusson
Nov 17, 1999, 22:36:39
 
If anyone has downloaded the corel linux ...   New Future   
Robert
Nov 18, 1999, 19:14:25
 
You are very wrong.  Any way you slice i ...   Re: There is no war dave.   
Todd Adams
Nov 20, 1999, 01:33:14
 
It is not the "wierd" web sites that usu ...   Re: netscape is rather good   
Attila Mate
Nov 26, 1999, 06:59:56
 
I know I misspelled "weird" in my previo ...   Re: Re: netscape is rather good   
Attila Mate
Nov 26, 1999, 07:38:57
 
I used to have similar problems with Net ...   SOLUTION to Netscape problems!   
Johan Bengtsson
Nov 27, 1999, 16:12:51
 
Microsoft will indeed release IE for Lin ...   Re: IE for Linux "Yes"   
William
Nov 30, 1999, 08:38:59
 
There's 1 flaw in that theory, "they ...   Re: Re: IE for Linux   
William
Nov 30, 1999, 09:14:34
 
With the announcement that Red Hat will  ...   Red Hat and Mozilla   
Anthony E.Greene
Nov 30, 1999, 19:02:36
 
Hmm, for me this is a none issue, issue. ...   Start at the right end.   
Lars Kronfält
Dec 2, 1999, 14:22:11
 
Just persuade the WINE team to stop test ...   You could have IE on linux NOW!   
Andrew Mayo
Dec 6, 1999, 12:41:31
 
Trish may have decided that she would li ...   A different story   
MadCow
Dec 7, 1999, 07:33:45
 
First of all, I agree it is a war even i ...   another way to survive the war   
James Lamm
Dec 8, 1999, 21:39:23
 
What on earth are you on about son?I use ...   What Battle...   
dorkboy
Dec 11, 1999, 04:10:35
 
*****I guess it has not been so obvious  ...   LINUX compliant surfing   
rhofland
Dec 12, 1999, 16:23:27
 
I am an mp3 maniac,I like playing with g ...   That's the beauty!   
koko
Dec 13, 1999, 03:25:02
 
I've got to agree.  I routinely get  ...   Netscape for Linux   
John Hagensieker
Dec 14, 1999, 11:36:12
 
hmm .. well, it's taken me 2 days to ...   Rights to Mozilla   
Samwise
Dec 15, 1999, 17:01:42
 
I have heard the statenent that Linux do ...   Re: Linux and Java   
Andrew MacGinitie
Dec 17, 1999, 23:49:56
 
we need to get non explorer webmasters t ...   linux V.S. MSexp   
Robert
Jan 31, 2000, 19:47:22
 
Did you guys ever realise that what ISP& ...   loosing the war ???????   
mr_slackware_linux
Feb 14, 2000, 09:41:37
 
I don't think that making "IE unfrie ...   Re: linux V.S. MSexp   
Mihai Amariutei
Feb 17, 2000, 13:53:14
 
Mac emulators are already available.They ...   Re: another way to survive the war   
Mihai Amariutei
Feb 17, 2000, 14:39:17
 
Then good TV stations should broadcast B ...   Re: Start at the right end.   
Mihai Amariutei
Feb 17, 2000, 14:46:10
 
They do let you type in other app. as it ...   Re: Re: netscape is rather good   
Mihai Amariutei
Feb 17, 2000, 15:02:52
 
What do you want to know? ...   Re: Linux vs. NT   
Mihai Amariutei
Feb 17, 2000, 15:15:24
 
I feel as frustrated as many of the writ ...   Winning the War   
George Wood (aka: KiwiJor)
Dec 3, 2000, 12:37:38
 
I'm new to the debate around making  ...   Re: loosing the war ??????   
Timothy Johnson
Feb 3, 2001, 02:30:42
 
A visit from the future: We won!! ...   We won!!   
daniel
Nov 12, 2008, 01:55:02
 
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