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:Spec.org: Second Quarter 2000 SPECweb99 Results [Linux beats Windows 2000 in benchmark]
Spec.org: Second Quarter 2000 SPECweb99 Results [Linux beats Windows 2000 in benchmark]
Jul 5, 2000, 01 :12 UTC (144 Talkback[s]) (110934 reads)

(Other stories by Marty Pitts)

[ Thanks to steffen for this link. ]

By Marty Pitts, Linux Today

Spec.org, the web site for the Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation, has published their latest SPECweb99 Benchmark for about 20 computer systems. Their mission is: "To establish, maintain, and endorse a standardized set of relevant benchmarks and metrics for performance evaluation of modern computer systems."

The SPECweb99 Benchmark is: "the next-generation SPEC benchmark for evaluating the performance of World Wide Web Servers. As the successor to SPECweb96, SPECweb99 continues the SPEC tradition of giving Web users the most objective and representative benchmark for measuring a system's ability to act as a web server. In response to rapidly advancing Web technology, the SPECweb99 benchmark includes many sophisticated and state-of-the-art enhancements to meet the modern demands of Web users of today and tomorrow."

Spec.org has just published the "Second Quarter 2000 SPECweb99 Results". Twenty one machines from various vendors including IBM, Dell, Compaq, and Hewlett Packard were tested and scored based on their ability to handle "Conforming Simultaneous Connections".

The interesting part is that two of the machines are from Dell, with almost exactly the same hardware and yet very different benchmark results.

Both machines are Dell PowerEdge 6400/700, one running Red Hat Tux 1.0 and the other running Windows 2000 Advanced Server. Both were running with 4 CPU's (700MHz Pentium III Xeon), 4 Network Controllers and 8GB of RAM.

There were a few differences in the hardware: the W2K machine had 7 9GB 10kRPM hard drives with a Dell PERC2 Disk Controllers and the Tux 1.0 machine had 5 9GB 10kRPM hard drives with an Adaptec AIC-7899 SCSI Disk Controller. In addition, the Client machines, while being very similar in configuration, had the same brand of Network Controller (Alteon) but a different model number for the W2K test (AceNIC PCI) than the one for the Tux 1.0 test (AceNIC 1000SX).

Here is the interesting part: The W2K machine received a score of SPECweb99 = 1598, which means that it was able to handle a median of 1598 Conforming Simultaneous Connections. The Red Hat Tux 1.0 machine received a score of SPECweb99 = 4200, which means that is was able to handle a median of 4200 Conforming Simultaneous Connections.

The full disclosure page for the Windows 2000 machine may be found here. The full disclosure page for the Red Hat Tux 1.0 machine may be found here.

What does this mean? In the real world, probably not as much as it would seem. Benchmarks in general are typically set up in an ideal environment. Real world environments tend to be quite different. However, this does indicate that Linux is moving in the right direction.

I freely admit that I am not a hardware expert. So my question to those who know more about hardware than I do is: Could the seemingly minor hardware differences result in this huge difference in the results of the tests? Please feel free to comment below on these results and in benchmarks in general.

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chances are very very high to hear MS sh ...   If W2k was faster,   
Talkback Daemon
Jul 5, 2000, 01:39:52
 
it beat an *8* CPU RS/6000 running at 50 ...   beat rs/6000 zeus as well.   
anonymouse
Jul 5, 2000, 01:46:42
 
Finally a credible test with two tuned m ...   Finally   
Curt Wuollet
Jul 5, 2000, 01:55:10
 
ZD Net's silence is deafening. where ...   ZD-Net Where are you?   
Greg Weismer
Jul 5, 2000, 01:57:24
 
I was hoping that someone was working to ...   Very interesting   
Joel Sloan
Jul 5, 2000, 02:04:48
 
Is this fair... ?  I'm not a hardwar ...   SCSI vs DELL PERC2, 5 hd vs 1   
Watson
Jul 5, 2000, 02:28:05
 
We need to treat benchmarks we like with ...   That's all very gratifying, but...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Jul 5, 2000, 03:07:49
 
I noticed that the fileset size of the L ...   go linux   
Hao He
Jul 5, 2000, 03:15:34
 
Well, to say the least this story amazes ...   something I noticed   
Josh Hastey
Jul 5, 2000, 04:06:54
 
Actually the Windows 2000 server had 7 * ...   Hard drives.   
Foo.
Jul 5, 2000, 04:11:07
 
The linux kernel code size is < 2000 KLO ...   Linux vs Win2K   
Andrew Irwin
Jul 5, 2000, 04:45:04
 
So there was a clumn called "Percent Con ...   Other interesting numbers.   
DrSpankenstein
Jul 5, 2000, 04:55:17
 
On the Windoze 2000 server, it specifica ...   One tiny note...   
Steve
Jul 5, 2000, 05:01:47
 
It&#39;s probably an typo.  According to ...   Re: One tiny note...   
kws
Jul 5, 2000, 05:13:28
 
Regarding the RAID/SCSI issue, Linux was ...   Re: something I noticed   
Ben
Jul 5, 2000, 05:16:17
 
What the heck is TUX 1.0?
The info on t ...   TUX?   
ac
Jul 5, 2000, 05:21:02
 
>trying to find some hardware combinatio ...   Re: If W2k was faster,   
Tschew
Jul 5, 2000, 05:23:26
 
In regards to the RAID used on the two s ...   RAIDing   
Indra Datta
Jul 5, 2000, 05:25:59
 
Lets see those tests done again but with ...   File systems   
Nivk
Jul 5, 2000, 05:26:30
 
Yeah, benchmarks are pretty unreal. But  ...   Re: That's all very gratifying, but...   
Tschew
Jul 5, 2000, 05:29:19
 
If you look at the Spec site you&#39;ll  ...   W2K is just slow   
John Pettitt
Jul 5, 2000, 05:39:24
 
Even though linux is free and it is beco ...   LINUX?!?!   
Leigh Childs
Jul 5, 2000, 05:47:30
 
In my experience, RAID is faster, as you ...   Re: something I noticed   
The Famous Druid
Jul 5, 2000, 06:05:40
 
Maybe I&#39;m missing something but unde ...   Different Benchmark Configuration?   
Someone
Jul 5, 2000, 06:11:15
 
well, better in what manner?  look and f ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Nathan Benson
Jul 5, 2000, 06:19:14
 
ummm... I would hope that "dummies" like ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
steve
Jul 5, 2000, 06:21:28
 

The one thing I don&#39;t like about D ...   Dell Drivers Suck   
Mad Geek
Jul 5, 2000, 06:37:05
 
I wouldn&#39;t say so. I think most peop ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
moo-man
Jul 5, 2000, 06:46:35
 
> Lets see those tests done again but wi ...   Re: File systems   
Beau Kuiper
Jul 5, 2000, 06:48:03
 
I want to see a test with equal filesyst ...   Re: Re: File systems   
marco van de Voort
Jul 5, 2000, 07:39:14
 
I&#39;ve seen a couple of threads about  ...   why would disk speed affect this?   
Clint Byrum
Jul 5, 2000, 07:45:47
 
Are there any result got using MacOS 9 a ...   What about the MacOS 9, and X?   
JongAm Park
Jul 5, 2000, 07:51:07
 
Did you notice that out of 14 submitted  ...   One more interresting thing...   
Walter van der Schee
Jul 5, 2000, 08:14:12
 
---------------------------------------- ...   Re: Linux vs Win2K   
decaf_dude
Jul 5, 2000, 08:14:37
 
Man oh man, look how well Linux scales.  ...   Figures show Linux scales well   
Andrew
Jul 5, 2000, 08:18:16
 
Here&#39;s the lowdown on "Tux" from ker ...   Technical Details on "Tux" Webserver   
Joel Sloan
Jul 5, 2000, 08:20:47
 
One of the things I remember from previo ...   Log mode?   
Bjoern Bille Hoejte
Jul 5, 2000, 08:41:05
 
I&#39;d love to see Linux beat the pants ...   Bechnchmark?   
Gerard
Jul 5, 2000, 08:58:37
 
thats crap, w2k is faster in every ordin ...   Re: If W2k was faster,   
drw
Jul 5, 2000, 09:02:59
 
> I wouldn&#39;t say so. I think most pe ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
Peter Schneider-Kamp
Jul 5, 2000, 09:05:32
 
[removed stuff about drivers quality]
> ...   Re: Dell Drivers Suck   
spin
Jul 5, 2000, 09:14:09
 
All Xeon line is use FULL SPEED L2 cache ...   Re: One tiny note...   
Fritz
Jul 5, 2000, 09:25:00
 
The NICs have fiber optical connections  ...   The network interface cards   
Amorsen
Jul 5, 2000, 09:40:28
 
I think that Win2000 like NT 4.0 has a n ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Anson Ringenoldus
Jul 5, 2000, 09:50:40
 
Apache definitely is a good fast reliabl ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
antony
Jul 5, 2000, 10:07:25
 
My grandpa is thinking about buying a co ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Steve
Jul 5, 2000, 10:09:50
 
Well, it seems that is the web server.   ...   Re: TUX?   
anon
Jul 5, 2000, 10:10:53
 
What it means is, they didn&#39;t test W ...   What it means   
Walter van der Schee
Jul 5, 2000, 10:18:06
 
I didn&#39;t realize that W2K had a jour ...   Re: File systems   
dev null
Jul 5, 2000, 10:23:39
 
According to Dr. Oliver Diedrich in a ne ...   TUX   
Fred Mobach
Jul 5, 2000, 10:23:48
 
It&#39;s a new web server backend that w ...   Re: TUX?   
Bernhard "Bero" Rosenkraenzer
Jul 5, 2000, 10:26:10
 
well...to beginner-users (users who have ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
marsjays
Jul 5, 2000, 10:26:49
 
Why whould software RAID be faster than  ...   Software RAID   
Walter van der Schee
Jul 5, 2000, 10:29:18
 
> Yeah, benchmarks are pretty unreal.

 ...   Re: Re: That's all very gratifying, but...   
Me
Jul 5, 2000, 11:11:29
 
   One important factor for a lot of my  ...   Linux is Free!!!!   
Cody Swanson
Jul 5, 2000, 11:42:31
 
 Even though linux is free and it is bec ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Anthony Youngman
Jul 5, 2000, 11:54:15
 
We don&#39;t need "Dummies like you" in  ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Eric Metcalfe
Jul 5, 2000, 12:24:48
 
Ingo Molnar posted the following text on ...   more info about TUX 1.0   
Fred Mobach
Jul 5, 2000, 12:27:51
 
Delighted to see Linux do so well.  I as ...   Dell PERC   
Francis Windle
Jul 5, 2000, 12:37:37
 
..that&#39;s why they call themselves du ...   Dummies don't know very much...   
dalroth5
Jul 5, 2000, 12:41:58
 
The PERC gives the windows box a signifi ...   Re: SCSI vs DELL PERC2, 5 hd vs 1   
Peter
Jul 5, 2000, 12:45:26
 
First, PERC is Poweredge Expandable Raid ...   Re: something I noticed   
peter
Jul 5, 2000, 12:55:23
 
While not an expert on the specific hard ...   Re: something I noticed   
jackr
Jul 5, 2000, 12:55:23
 
> ummm... I would hope that "dummies" li ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
Some Juan
Jul 5, 2000, 13:03:51
 
In the Win-Lin debates, user friendlines ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Anne B. van der Bom
Jul 5, 2000, 13:05:03
 
Linux? What is Linux? Never heard of it  ...   LINUX?   
Bill Jones
Jul 5, 2000, 13:11:02
 
UMMM....
> Even though linux is free an ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
JTH
Jul 5, 2000, 13:15:58
 
I think dummies like you should use mac& ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Alfred Cohain
Jul 5, 2000, 13:25:00
 
True! Windows GUI is easier to use if yo ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Grady R. Morris
Jul 5, 2000, 13:32:32
 
> Why whould software RAID be faster tha ...   Re: Software RAID   
2b
Jul 5, 2000, 13:43:01
 
Why don&#39;t they use the same damb mac ...   Question   
whome?
Jul 5, 2000, 14:01:56
 
Well, why don&#39;t you test Linux again ...   Side by Side Performance   
Joe Pearson
Jul 5, 2000, 14:03:54
 
> Is this fair... ?  I&#39;m not a hardw ...   Re: SCSI vs DELL PERC2, 5 hd vs 1   
Scott Hoffman
Jul 5, 2000, 14:08:05
 
> That would mean it&#39;s a full speed  ...   Re: One tiny note...   
Leon Brooks
Jul 5, 2000, 14:14:06
 
> Even though linux is free and it is be ...   Re: Linux? Yeah, Linux! (-:   
Leon Brooks
Jul 5, 2000, 14:21:39
 
Apache won&#39;t run on any MacOS other  ...   Re: What about the MacOS 9, and X?   
Dave
Jul 5, 2000, 14:34:29
 
They were using the exact same processor ...   Re: One tiny note...   
Anonymous Coward
Jul 5, 2000, 14:47:38
 
> Lets see those tests done again but wi ...   Re: File systems   
Anonymous Coward
Jul 5, 2000, 14:47:43
 
> Even though linux is free and it is be ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Kevin Reichert
Jul 5, 2000, 14:53:09
 
Even though linux is free and it is beco ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Ted Clark
Jul 5, 2000, 15:22:07
 
From http://www.spec.org/osg/web99/resul ...   Other results on Dell boxes   
Anonymous Coward
Jul 5, 2000, 15:26:36
 
Actually, although tests on the exact sa ...   Re: Side by Side Performance   
Dwight Divine
Jul 5, 2000, 15:49:47
 
Have these tests been run on Linux 2.2.1 ...   Historical Comparisons   
Sean Walton
Jul 5, 2000, 15:58:04
 
MacOS 9 is not exactly a server operatin ...   Re: What about the MacOS 9, and X?   
Sashmit Bhaduri
Jul 5, 2000, 16:10:21
 
> Linux? What is Linux? Never heard of i ...   Re: LINUX?   
Mozzer
Jul 5, 2000, 16:11:12
 
>Win2k: 
>Requested Connections 1600 
 ...   Re: Different Benchmark Configuration?   
Jeff Sprigg
Jul 5, 2000, 16:32:26
 
> Huh, I don&#39;t know anyone else who  ...   Re: File systems   
Logan Shaw
Jul 5, 2000, 16:32:42
 
> Even though linux is free and it is be ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
falcon
Jul 5, 2000, 16:44:06
 
I haven&#39;t paid a lot of attention, b ...   Re: Re: What about the MacOS 9, and X?   
S. Plitkin
Jul 5, 2000, 16:56:05
 
 
&#96;&#96;I think dummies like you sh ...   Re: Linux   
Richard N. Turner
Jul 5, 2000, 17:03:11
 
What rubbish. I can instal and configure ...   Re: Re: If W2k was faster,   
Jerry Clark
Jul 5, 2000, 17:04:28
 
Nah ... that is one of the advantages of ...   Re: File systems   
Tim
Jul 5, 2000, 17:43:18
 
Why didn&#39;t they just take two machin ...   identical machines - !why   
A quik question
Jul 5, 2000, 18:02:09
 
Of course it&#39;s easier and better loo ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Daniel Beckham
Jul 5, 2000, 18:19:55
 
And you sound like a troll. ...   Re: LINUX?   
Daniel Beckham
Jul 5, 2000, 18:24:08
 
Use exactly the same hardware. ...   SPECweb99   
Rob Rand
Jul 5, 2000, 18:34:37
 
"Nah ... that is one of the advantages o ...   Re: Re: File systems   
Fred Mobach
Jul 5, 2000, 19:01:00
 
> Why didn&#39;t they just take two mach ...   Re: identical machines - !why   
Bobby D. Bryant
Jul 5, 2000, 20:09:47
 
> One of the many things _you_ evidently ...   Re: Dummies don't know very much...   
Bobby D. Bryant
Jul 5, 2000, 20:15:48
 
Linux beating RS/6000? Puh-leeze, what a ...   More Benchmark Hogwash   
Cow A. Bunga
Jul 5, 2000, 20:22:08
 

> Still - Linux does get the accolade  ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
Tannon Weber
Jul 5, 2000, 20:22:55
 

Oh, yeah but Dummys like dummy thinks  ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Willington
Jul 5, 2000, 20:28:42
 
> use whatever fits you.  but, don&#39;t ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
Benny Li
Jul 5, 2000, 20:46:45
 
> it beat an *8* CPU RS/6000 running at  ...   Re: beat rs/6000 zeus as well.   
Anomalous
Jul 5, 2000, 21:30:26
 
Linux beating RS/6000? Puh-leeze, what a ...   Re: More Benchmark Hogwash   
Ted Clark
Jul 5, 2000, 21:47:17
 
actually, Software RAID is faster than h ...   Re: RAIDing   
Anonymous Coward
Jul 5, 2000, 22:02:48
 
> evidence for your familiarity hyptothe ...   Re: Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
Hytham
Jul 5, 2000, 22:13:04
 
For all the questions about whether the  ...   Encouraging hardware note   
Rob
Jul 5, 2000, 22:16:07
 
> Linux? What is Linux? Never heard of i ...   Re: LINUX?   
Hytham
Jul 5, 2000, 22:21:51
 
A few points to correct your points:

 ...   Re: Re: Software RAID   
bill
Jul 5, 2000, 22:31:46
 
since dell did both, why would it make o ...   Re: Bechnchmark?   
thanatos
Jul 5, 2000, 22:38:15
 
> In regards to the RAID used on the two ...   Re: RAIDing   
Christian
Jul 5, 2000, 23:51:11
 
Penguin&#39;s mind:
Linux vs. Windows:  ...   Penguin afraid of Demon   
Benny Li
Jul 6, 2000, 00:08:18
 
I mean, totally wipe out anything on the ...   Why don't you switch systems, and do it again   
Mike
Jul 6, 2000, 02:27:47
 
> "Nah ... that is one of the advantages ...   Re: File systems   
Safari
Jul 6, 2000, 02:48:53
 
It&#39;s not fear, just mutual respect f ...   Re: Penguin afraid of Demon   
Ted Clark
Jul 6, 2000, 02:50:57
 
The mindcraft results were Apache vs IIS ...   TUX vs IIS not Linux vs Win2k   
Anonymous
Jul 6, 2000, 02:53:24
 
"Now, the linux box was configured using ...   Re: something I noticed   
Reaperx1
Jul 6, 2000, 03:21:56
 
> Even though linux is free and it is be ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Reaperx1
Jul 6, 2000, 03:29:56
 
An analogy to this is SQL.  SQL2000 just ...   Re: TUX vs IIS not Linux vs Win2k   
Anonymous
Jul 6, 2000, 03:43:03
 
If there was a slight difference in hard ...   Put W2K on Linux box   
David ORourke
Jul 6, 2000, 04:14:03
 
 here ...   Definitive information about TUX   
Anonymous
Jul 6, 2000, 08:01:50
 
I&#39;ve never run specweb but did TPC d ...   benchmarking   
joan
Jul 6, 2000, 09:58:39
 
well...to beginner-users (users who have ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
Anthony Youngman
Jul 6, 2000, 12:54:31
 
The interface might be intimidating but  ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Ramsus
Jul 6, 2000, 14:29:57
 
Why not do some benchmark pricing of Lin ...   Benchmark Pricing   
Michael Harings
Jul 6, 2000, 22:42:58
 
"easier to use for dummies" != "better"
 ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
griff
Jul 7, 2000, 01:06:25
 
yes, you are right! but that was the rea ...   Re: Re: Linux vs Win2K   
John Bull
Jul 7, 2000, 02:51:29
 
Call me quirky but - I understand that L ...   Hardware inconsistencies   
Nick Palmer
Jul 7, 2000, 08:46:12
 
The specs on the RAID configuration of t ...   Hardware VS. Software RAID   
Aaron Carr
Jul 8, 2000, 03:10:46
 
I think you should try KDE ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
madludwig
Jul 9, 2000, 15:07:04
 
True.

Otherwise, a legitimate compari ...   Re: Hardware inconsistencies   
Jeff Silverman
Jul 10, 2000, 02:40:02
 
From what I see in the W2k/IIS vs Linux/ ...   Is this just because of SAM   
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Jul 11, 2000, 14:48:16
 
> I think that Win2000 like NT 4.0 has a ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
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Jul 11, 2000, 18:14:03
 
It&#39;s really a moot point to discuss  ...   Re: Re: LINUX?!?!   
Blake Watters
Jul 11, 2000, 19:07:47
 
If you&#39;re really curious as to how m ...   Benchmarks   
Bill Putney
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Let me tell you this I have been network ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
Andrew Nelson
Jul 11, 2000, 23:59:19
 
I use RAID constantly at my work place a ...   Re: something I noticed   
Yer Mom
Jul 14, 2000, 02:49:39
 
> I use RAID constantly at my work place ...   Re: Re: something I noticed   
Thomas Sippel - Dau
Jul 14, 2000, 13:01:24
 
As another "Dummy" may I thank you for y ...   Re: Dummies don't know very much...   
ME2
Jul 21, 2000, 23:53:39
 
> Linux? What is Linux? Never heard of i ...   Re: LINUX?   
Ohm
Jul 23, 2000, 04:28:48
 
Hehe sorry I donīt think so... (i laught ...   Re: LINUX?!?!   
HAHAHAHA
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Reiserfs isn&#39;t very mature at this p ...   Re: Re: File systems   
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There&#39;s no actual real scientific be ...   Re: Penguin afraid of Demon   
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