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:Fixing Polls: An Open Letter to MSNBC.com
Fixing Polls: An Open Letter to MSNBC.com
Sep 16, 2000, 18 :36 UTC (134 Talkback[s]) (41587 reads)

(Other stories by Kevin Reichard)

This letter was sent to the management of MSNBC. In light of the blatant poll-fixing at MSNBC, I would suggest you do the same. The letter was sent to martin.wolk@msnbc.com, TechNews@MSNBC.com, World@MSNBC.com, and Nightly@NBC.com. --Kevin Reichard

Check out:

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-09-15-008-21-OP-CY-MS

At least we were open about asking our readers to vote for Linux, but to rig an online poll is something that MSNBC should worry about: someone with a pro-Microsoft agenda is clearly unleashing a bot to manipulate the results of the online poll. As an impartial news-gathering organization, you have a responsbility to present an unbiased forum. It strains creduility that 50,000 votes were tallied SOLELY for Microsoft 2000/ME on a Saturday morning.

As you know, Microsoft has a track record of rigging online polls; those attempts have been well-documented at Linux Today and other Web sites. I actually expected more from MSNBC. It also casts a pall on the credibility of NBC; getting into bed with Microsoft probably was a bad move, but for NBC to allow Microsoft to alter the news when it is not flattering to Microsoft is truly saddening.

As one of our readers pointed out:

> > Something is wrong with the poll.
> > Linus is dramatically dropping.
>
> Linux is in 3rd place with 18%.

Someone is definitively 'fixing' this poll. We've had a total of nearly 30,000 votes in 2 days. This morning, in a few hours we're reached almost 80,000 votes. Initially this surge was almost 100% in favor of NT/W2K which had at some point 48% of the total. Now the vote is being distributed to every OS but Linux. I'm amazed by the scale of this manipulation. I guess we should have seen it coming.

----

And as another reader pointed out:

How can it be?

Four hours ago I looked, and linux had 38% of around 37000 votes and Windows NT had only 19%.

Now 4 hours later there are almost 100,000 votes and Linux is in last place. For two days the voting had been slow and all of a sudden Windows votes sky rocket. There is definitively someone manufacturing the percentages!

----

--Kevin Reichard
Managing Editor, Linux/Open Source Channel
internet.com

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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
We obviously rigged the pole to show unf ...   We rigged the pole...   
John
Sep 16, 2000, 18:57:06
 
> We obviously rigged the pole to show u ...   Re: We rigged the pole...   
Kevin Reichard
Sep 16, 2000, 19:11:35
 
The MSNBC poll asking "Will you buy Wind ...   The other MSNBC poll (WinME)   
Zmarlin
Sep 16, 2000, 19:11:58
 
Perhaps, we should create a bot of our o ...   Create a bot of our own.   
Steve Robertson
Sep 16, 2000, 19:13:07
 
Tried to rate on another story about red ...   strange   
mark
Sep 16, 2000, 19:17:35
 
> Perhaps, we should create a bot of our ...   Re: Create a bot of our own.   
Kevin Reichard
Sep 16, 2000, 19:17:37
 
Linux is winning because it is more stab ...   Lighten Up!   
Stephen
Sep 16, 2000, 19:26:21
 
How did we rig the poll? We told people  ...   Re: Re: We rigged the pole...   
Mark Bialkowski
Sep 16, 2000, 19:27:49
 
To: TechNews@MSNBC.com
Subject: Your OS ...   TechNews@MSNBC.com   
Steve
Sep 16, 2000, 19:40:15
 
Compare the number of votes for MS on MS ...   Comparing apples to apples   
Gonzo
Sep 16, 2000, 19:51:31
 
I resisted the temptation, though at lea ...   Web Bots   
Richard Corfield
Sep 16, 2000, 19:55:54
 
AS of right now the poll shows

mac 15 ...   sad really sad......   
mike
Sep 16, 2000, 20:03:26
 
I noticed the same thing too, I went to  ...   Re: strange   
Daniel Bertrand
Sep 16, 2000, 20:05:07
 
Micro$oft has sank to an all-time low wi ...   Reaching up to touch bottom   
Chris
Sep 16, 2000, 20:09:06
 
Okay I just timed how fast the votes are ...   Vote rate   
mike
Sep 16, 2000, 20:25:59
 
While I have to agree with Mark on that  ...   Re: Re: Re: We rigged the pole...   
Martin Björklund
Sep 16, 2000, 20:42:23
 
The Linuxtoday poll was a joke we all kn ...   poll fixing   
Thomas Wickline
Sep 16, 2000, 20:58:56
 
CNN also has an article on WinME, with a ...   CNN poll   
Mark Bialkowski
Sep 16, 2000, 20:59:08
 
Many of us know that this poll is a joke ...   This poll is a joke   
PS
Sep 16, 2000, 20:59:57
 
Is there any evidence to show that Micro ...   Errr   
Daniel
Sep 16, 2000, 21:06:59
 
It seems to still be going at a rate of  ...   Re: Vote rate   
David Lyons
Sep 16, 2000, 21:12:33
 
If folks who prefer Linux didn't vot ...   Let them have their poll? Can't...   
Jerry Kreps
Sep 16, 2000, 21:26:55
 
folks, what you need to recognize is tha ...   absolutely in character   
dep
Sep 16, 2000, 22:01:49
 
Are you so naive and so stupid as to mak ...   MSNBC rigged poll   
Bob Lee
Sep 16, 2000, 22:03:55
 
How about this:

Create a few bots of  ...   Let's show them   
Kent Friis
Sep 16, 2000, 22:04:27
 
M$ is threatened by Linux and other OS&# ...   Poll tampering theory   
David
Sep 16, 2000, 22:23:44
 
if i'm wrong here, someone please co ...   can you say "criminal fraud"?   
dep
Sep 16, 2000, 22:34:31
 
Please try not to fall into that trap as ...   ignore it   
myname
Sep 16, 2000, 22:41:48
 
MicrosoftNBC obviously doesn't care  ...   Play news agencies off against each other...   
Sean Clark
Sep 16, 2000, 22:56:10
 
I just knew that this would backfire on  ...   lol   
scott
Sep 16, 2000, 23:00:34
 
Can someone please post an example scrip ...   Getting even   
wiseguy
Sep 16, 2000, 23:36:47
 
> How did we rig the poll? We told peopl ...   Re: Re: We rigged the pole...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 16, 2000, 23:40:21
 
> Are you so naive and so stupid as to m ...   The BIG Lie   
Jimmy the Geek
Sep 17, 2000, 00:06:46
 
I just looked at this again, and the num ...   Odd numbers   
Peter
Sep 17, 2000, 00:13:37
 
Look at the discrepancy in the ratios.
 ...   Ratio discrepancy between both polls!   
Chen Huana
Sep 17, 2000, 00:52:48
 
Just M$nbc 'adjusting' the poll  ...   What makes you think this bot isn't running ON   
Joe Daemon
Sep 17, 2000, 01:26:06
 

        
>Linux Today is not responsi ...   Re: The BIG Lie, Indeed!   
DeSoto
Sep 17, 2000, 01:28:21
 
> But I have never seen any scientific a ...   Re: The BIG Lie   
Bobby Bryant
Sep 17, 2000, 01:36:43
 
at one point linux had 37% of 37000, whi ...   Don't listen to the asp!   
Leon Brooks
Sep 17, 2000, 02:32:31
 
Why don't you people stop whinning?  ...   Stop Whinning   
revengance
Sep 17, 2000, 03:09:53
 
Evidently the poll was rigged.  I went t ...   internet.com vs MSNBC   
ClosedSourceGuy
Sep 17, 2000, 03:29:23
 
You first posted a story encouraging Lin ...   Oh give me a break...   
fred
Sep 17, 2000, 05:19:47
 
The action taken by MS mercenaries to fi ...   Trap   
AC
Sep 17, 2000, 05:34:39
 
Well is this fun or what ?
I have been  ...   spread the word   
Thomas Wickline
Sep 17, 2000, 07:04:50
 
> 
> I?ve never seen any scientific ana ...   Re: The BIG Lie, Indeed!   
George Sherman
Sep 17, 2000, 07:35:59
 
Looks as if B.G. got his fingers into th ...   MSNBC Poll   
Roni Oliva
Sep 17, 2000, 08:56:14
 
Such are opinions ...
Most lemmings wil ...   About opinions   
Dick T
Sep 17, 2000, 09:26:01
 
No doubts, the results of the poll look, ...   not bad for Linux, just think of it   
Serge Boiko
Sep 17, 2000, 09:54:03
 
> Perhaps, we should create a bot of our ...   Re: Create a bot of our own.   
Martin Kiehn
Sep 17, 2000, 11:48:00
 
This response has been posted to the USE ...   Spreading the word.   
Rodney Quaye
Sep 17, 2000, 12:05:33
 
> I wish this Kevin Reichard guy had his ...   Re: Oh give me a break...   
Kevin Reichard
Sep 17, 2000, 13:06:19
 
> Are you so naive and so stupid as to m ...   liberal media at play? pul-leaze!!!   
Kevin Reichard
Sep 17, 2000, 13:37:11
 

> So M$ fixing the poll is evidence of ...   Re: liberal media at play? pul-leaze!!!   
dep
Sep 17, 2000, 14:41:42
 
I was just thinking, it doesn't matt ...   another thought   
scott
Sep 17, 2000, 15:18:01
 
>If anything, it indicates the opposite: ...   Re: liberal media at play? pul-leaze!!!   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 17, 2000, 15:19:21
 
The ratio discrepancy between the two po ...   Update Re: Ratio discrepancy between both polls!   
Chen Huana
Sep 17, 2000, 19:40:52
 
...get back to coding! ...   Who cares?   
James Ryan
Sep 17, 2000, 21:22:40
 
With my checkbook that is!  Long live GN ...   I have voted often!   
Leo
Sep 18, 2000, 00:21:15
 
Could this be used in evidence by the DO ...   A useful result?   
IanM
Sep 18, 2000, 00:54:19
 
Linux has now hit 4%, when only a few da ...   It's still being fixed   
David Richmond
Sep 18, 2000, 04:20:45
 
Who cares about Linux? Yeah, of course,  ...   Believe it or not: Linux is nor as important as yo   
Spike
Sep 18, 2000, 08:37:52
 
How about the 2nd poll has risen so fast ...   Re: Update Re: Ratio discrepancy between both poll   
Spike
Sep 18, 2000, 08:51:40
 
Oops...you were right...nice trick, isn´ ...   You´re damn right!   
Mike
Sep 18, 2000, 09:27:10
 
> The only people I know who use Linux a ...   Re: Believe it or not: Linux is nor as important a   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 18, 2000, 10:51:52
 
> Compare the number of votes for MS on  ...   Re: Comparing apples to apples (Or Macs to Macs)   
Stefan
Sep 18, 2000, 11:45:12
 
>Linux has now hit 4%, when only a few d ...   RE:It's still being fixed   
Otis
Sep 18, 2000, 11:54:23
 
It seems like this link doesn't work ...   Fear of the pengüin   
Francisco M. Marzoa Alonso
Sep 18, 2000, 14:21:01
 
>that, on a saturday afternoon when nobo ...   Re: Re: Vote rate   
Erich
Sep 18, 2000, 16:08:29
 
The "best OS" poll is missing from the a ...   Looks like MSNBC voted...   
pac4854
Sep 18, 2000, 16:34:12
 
Look at the MSNBC-Site!

The 'Best ...   The Vote is gone!   
Michael
Sep 18, 2000, 16:38:26
 
Maybe, but i clicked no because they che ...   Re: The other MSNBC poll (WinME)   
SIamkat
Sep 18, 2000, 17:13:24
 
This is the first time that i really thi ...   We rigged the pole...   
SIamkat
Sep 18, 2000, 17:20:21
 
No, but I think it's an unnecessary  ...   Re: The other MSNBC poll (WinME)   
Marc
Sep 18, 2000, 17:38:41
 
BeOS is like linux except :
elegant int ...   BeOS was winning in the beginning before the pole   
Richard
Sep 18, 2000, 18:40:54
 
I couldnt vote at ms. (18. Sept. 200, ab ...   couldnt vote   
Rolf Muth
Sep 18, 2000, 19:25:45
 
Is being the most popular operating syst ...   Why Be Popular?   
Scott Howell
Sep 18, 2000, 19:30:32
 
The OS poll disappeared from the MSNBC s ...   593K : 12.6k Now OS poll disappeared   
Chen Huana
Sep 18, 2000, 19:35:42
 
Polls all gone now :(  
Still it was fu ...   MSBC Poll - The truth (and the code ;-) )   
M00
Sep 18, 2000, 19:35:54
 
Been going there for many years, and act ...   MSNBC should be rename to MSCensorship   
ToolJob
Sep 18, 2000, 20:17:01
 
For reference, I'm a coder for Micro ...   Y'all Are Too Bloody Funny   
Tom
Sep 18, 2000, 21:24:02
 
Now comes the cover up  ???
Yesterday I ...   Now the cover up ??   
Thomas Wickline
Sep 18, 2000, 22:55:57
 
Now comes the cover up  ???
Yesterday I ...   Now the cover up ??   
Thomas Wickline
Sep 18, 2000, 22:56:51
 
your happy-feely "i'm a cool program ...   tom   
mikem
Sep 18, 2000, 23:10:08
 
> Micro$oft has sank to an all-time low  ...   Re: Reaching up to touch bottom   
Mr. Bill
Sep 19, 2000, 03:59:03
 
I totally agree, 
Over here is Australi ...   Re: The BIG Lie   
Michael
Sep 19, 2000, 11:59:54
 
Haha,

they rigged this one too. Now i ...   Re: The other MSNBC poll (WinME)   
bolke
Sep 19, 2000, 12:09:45
 
Just perhaps MSNBC would be scared to le ...   Perhaps this is what is happening?   
W.Preece System Engineer
Sep 19, 2000, 13:07:03
 
> Not denying it happens, and the a$$hol ...   RE: Tom   
Rodney Quaye
Sep 19, 2000, 13:33:45
 
Get a life.  It strains credulity to thi ...   Get a life...   
Brian
Sep 19, 2000, 14:55:51
 
The idea that the media is objective is  ...   Objectivity from the media?   
zzz
Sep 19, 2000, 14:56:40
 
I've never seen a more obvious displ ...   You guys are sore -EXPLITIVE- losers   
r3ality
Sep 19, 2000, 15:45:15
 
Flat out, I defy anyone to prove that MS ...   You're smoking lunch   
Brock Meeks
Sep 19, 2000, 16:32:49
 
> Flat out, I defy anyone to prove that  ...   Re: You're smoking lunch   
Kevin Reichard
Sep 19, 2000, 16:57:34
 
(Eng)

I'm very weak in english la ...   Very Strange... It's a FEAR!   
André Luiz
Sep 19, 2000, 17:13:52
 
Sorry guys, the MSNBC popularity ranking ...   Linux whining - Ballot Stuffing   
z'ha'dum
Sep 19, 2000, 17:58:50
 
> Not as many voters, and the answer is  ...   Re: The other MSNBC poll (WinME)   
Gel
Sep 19, 2000, 18:31:53
 
>> Microsoft has NO editorial influence  ...   Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Brock Meeks
Sep 19, 2000, 19:04:02
 
> I have no idea what kind of access the ...   Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Kevin Reichard
Sep 19, 2000, 19:11:47
 
Hi Brock. Hell of a lot of smoking going ...   Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
John Lettice
Sep 19, 2000, 20:21:27
 
This is so typical of the linux communit ...   Re: You're smoking lunch   
Randy
Sep 19, 2000, 20:28:58
 
> Hi Brock. Hell of a lot of smoking goi ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Brock Meeks
Sep 19, 2000, 20:54:07
 
Hmmm... from a business user's stand ...   Softies vs. Penguins?   
Business Person
Sep 19, 2000, 21:18:32
 
> > I have no idea what kind of access t ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Brock Meeks
Sep 19, 2000, 22:05:31
 
> The story was simply blitzed from our  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Martin
Sep 19, 2000, 22:24:51
 
Can you all find something more insignif ...   You are all a bunch of whiners   
Neal
Sep 20, 2000, 00:16:04
 
> > We obviously rigged the pole to show ...   Re: Re: We rigged the pole...   
Roger
Sep 20, 2000, 00:29:43
 
> The MSNBC poll asking "Will you buy Wi ...   Re: The other MSNBC poll (WinME)   
Roger
Sep 20, 2000, 00:32:34
 
> Tried to rate on another story about r ...   Re: strange   
Roger
Sep 20, 2000, 00:33:54
 
So Steve what are you saying? ...   Re: Create a bot of our own.   
Roger
Sep 20, 2000, 00:35:04
 
LOL. It's a great advice.
 http://su ...   Re: You are all a bunch of whiners   
James B.
Sep 20, 2000, 01:04:39
 
Linux is a nice OS, I'll admit it, a ...   Operating systems don't make the operator   
Temper
Sep 20, 2000, 01:05:59
 
Upset are we?

Such reasoned debate yo ...   Re: Roger, Roger, Roger   
Paul Ferris
Sep 20, 2000, 01:31:44
 
Yeah, right. ...   Re: You're smoking lunch   
Brad
Sep 20, 2000, 02:20:34
 
I just like the part were BeOS held the  ...   The part about the poll I found funny   
Dustin 'Aku-kage'
Sep 20, 2000, 07:11:57
 
Hi Brock. Hell of a lot of smoking going ...   Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
John Lettice
Sep 20, 2000, 07:53:18
 
Well, I'm always happier accepting t ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
John Lettice
Sep 20, 2000, 08:02:08
 
> Microsoft has NO editorial influence o ...   Re: You're smoking lunch   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 20, 2000, 13:55:07
 
> I speak for anyone that has been in th ...   Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 20, 2000, 14:03:38
 
Touche`, John, touche`.  :) ...   You're smoking lunch   
Brock Meeks
Sep 20, 2000, 18:35:22
 
> > The story was simply blitzed from ou ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Brock Meeks
Sep 20, 2000, 18:41:26
 
> You see, I'm just a minor league a ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lun   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 20, 2000, 21:16:06
 
> > > The story was simply blitzed from  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lun   
Martin
Sep 20, 2000, 23:26:27
 
If you don't mind me saying... who g ...   Who cares?   
Jason Dixon
Sep 21, 2000, 04:17:38
 
Who cares. The fact is there are more ma ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Joe Public
Sep 21, 2000, 21:40:38
 
"And just for the record I am a register ...   Re: The BIG Lie   
RoofRabbit
Sep 22, 2000, 16:05:19
 
I have a pc running (WinME) but have to  ...   Windows_ME   
RoofRabbit
Sep 22, 2000, 16:17:40
 
> If you don't mind me saying... who ...   Re: Who cares?   
Paul Ferris
Sep 22, 2000, 18:43:58
 
> Who cares. The fact is there are more  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You're smoking lunch   
Paul Ferris
Sep 22, 2000, 18:56:23
 
I think the 'adjusted' values yo ...   WindowsME poll   
Me
Oct 31, 2000, 02:15:26
 
It seems funny that you, as you defend,  ...   You're smoking something else...   
Jeremy Anderson
Nov 2, 2000, 12:51:42
 
Brock. Well done.  I shall try and set a ...   Re: You're smoking lunch   
James
Nov 11, 2000, 11:31:00
 
don't you anything about cache? ...   Re: Re: Vote rate   
anil
Mar 14, 2001, 14:21:29
 
your debate poll was also hacked, Kerry& ...   debate polls   
doc weasel
Oct 9, 2004, 05:44:36
 
Ifind the actions of msnbc unethical and ...   Rigging the votes   
Patricia Hudak
Oct 9, 2004, 06:02:01
 
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