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:Kurt Granroth and Andreas Pour: "Business Ethics" in the Open Source Community?
Kurt Granroth and Andreas Pour: "Business Ethics" in the Open Source Community?
Feb 12, 2001, 21 :26 UTC (106 Talkback[s]) (10609 reads)

(Other stories by Kurt Granroth and Andreas Pour)

[ Thanks to Kurt Granroth for this link. ]

"What do we do when "one of our own" turns their back on our community's code of ethics?"

"A few "get rich quick" companies hoping to capitalize on "the Linux craze" have tried to apply the old tactics to this community.. but for the most part, they have had little effect. We tend to watch out for these companies and let them know that they aren't welcome in our community if they can't play by our rules. This is usually pretty effective."

"But what do we do when one of our own, a company with long-time roots in our community, rejects our code of ethics and resorts to underhanded, deceitful tactics for the express purpose of undermining an Open Source project? I never expected this to happen. Much to my dismay, it appears that the now flush-with-cash IGS/Helix Code/Ximian company is doing just that...."

"Go to the popular Google search engine and try a search on any of the following terms: "KDE", "K Desktop Environment", "koffice", "kword", "kspread", "konqueror", "dcop", "kparts", "qt" or "trolltech". Now look at the "Sponsored Link" on the right side of the page. You will find the ad shown below, loudly proclaiming "Free Linux Desktop" and advertising "Download it now!". The link goes to -- not KDE, but Ximian. Huh?..."

"The intent of these ads are clear: they are deliberately attempting to confuse people looking for free KDE code into buying Ximian products instead. Think I'm reading too much into this? Well, look again at the ad above and then look at the ad below. This is what Google produces when one searches for "ximian", "gnome", or "evolution"."

Complete Story

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Enterprise Linux Today: Ximian (formerly known as Helix Code) secures $15 Million in Funding(Jan 18, 2001)
Helix Code is now "Ximian, Inc"(Jan 11, 2001)
Source Magazine: Helix Gnome: Linux on the Desktop, Part 1(Dec 24, 2000)


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
I have tended to support Gnome.  This be ...   This is unethical   
Rufus Polson
Feb 12, 2001, 21:39:48
 
 Anyone can buy the KDE or Gnome keyword ...   Google sells keywords multiple times   
Brian Clancey
Feb 12, 2001, 21:40:19
 
Have someone even tryed to check with th ...   Why Web Ranters never check?   
Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra
Feb 12, 2001, 21:41:38
 
Google likely would not exist without be ...   Complain to Google first?   
Doug Bostrom
Feb 12, 2001, 21:47:49
 
How can we pass judgement before we hear ...   benefit of the doubt   
Jack Bowling
Feb 12, 2001, 21:48:15
 
Now look at the "Sponsored Link" on the  ...   Pathetic   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 21:51:04
 
> Google likely would not exist without  ...   Re: Complain to Google first?   
horst
Feb 12, 2001, 21:51:06
 
Business is business.

If the KDE folk ...   boohoo   
David Wollmann
Feb 12, 2001, 21:51:15
 
Who cares.  I would have never noticed t ...   Who cares?   
Jeff Self
Feb 12, 2001, 21:56:27
 
no its not pathetic - this is misleading ...   Re: Pathetic   
horst
Feb 12, 2001, 21:59:02
 
> Business is business.

Yes it is, bu ...   Re: boohoo   
horst
Feb 12, 2001, 22:02:52
 
with my trusty KFM I don't even see  ...   Funny   
Sune
Feb 12, 2001, 22:03:23
 
Good point, though I still believe that  ...   Re: Re: Complain to Google first?   
Doug Bostrom
Feb 12, 2001, 22:06:52
 
I can't see how a small advertising  ...   Re: This is unethical   
richie123
Feb 12, 2001, 22:07:06
 
we have to deal with, I say that this is ...   If this is the worst...   
d@
Feb 12, 2001, 22:07:48
 
READ THE ARTICLE

I have... twice, and ...   Re: Pathetic   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 22:10:22
 
This is a very disturbing allegation.

 ...   Very disturbing...   
Dilbert
Feb 12, 2001, 22:11:02
 
ximian's google bill may be larger t ...   best served cold   
ken chaney
Feb 12, 2001, 22:11:25
 
This is confusing the market, and hence  ...   Re: If this is the worst...   
KDE User
Feb 12, 2001, 22:12:32
 
Buddy,you need to go to google do a sear ...   Re: Re: Pathetic   
richie123
Feb 12, 2001, 22:17:27
 
But they did, and the answer was linked  ...   Re: Why Web Ranters never check?   
snotty
Feb 12, 2001, 22:18:00
 
> This is normal, I see adds for Caldera ...   Re: Re: This is unethical   
horst
Feb 12, 2001, 22:19:37
 
No, it sounds like you have an axe to gr ...   Re: If this is the worst...   
horst
Feb 12, 2001, 22:21:14
 
As much as I like KDE, and have been usi ...   Much Ado About Nothing   
JM
Feb 12, 2001, 22:21:44
 
This is the silliest gripe war on linuxt ...   Have any of the people seen the add on Google?   
richie123
Feb 12, 2001, 22:23:30
 
How is this hurting KDE? Is it costing t ...   Who cares?   
Ed Craig
Feb 12, 2001, 22:26:12
 
It's just incredible the recent whin ...   KDE whiners   
Rick salts
Feb 12, 2001, 22:31:23
 
This is wrong. It is like putting up a " ...   This is Wrong   
foo
Feb 12, 2001, 22:41:10
 
...for saving me all the time I might&#3 ...   THANKS, Monkey Men...   
Vic
Feb 12, 2001, 22:42:29
 
No, I thinks it clear KDE is right on th ...   GNOME whiners   
I love KDE
Feb 12, 2001, 22:43:34
 
Kurt Granroth is an active developer in  ...   Re: KDE whiners   
Anonymous
Feb 12, 2001, 22:43:57
 
I have no idea how this could be constru ...   How is this unethical   
Jonathan Bartlett
Feb 12, 2001, 22:44:07
 
No, it sounds like you have an axe to gr ...   Re: Re: If this is the worst...   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 22:45:50
 
I agree....

 I do not find it mis-leadi ...   Re: Have any of the people seen the add on Google&   
Matt
Feb 12, 2001, 22:46:54
 
"How can we pass judgement before we hea ...   benefit of the doubt - NOT   
erotus
Feb 12, 2001, 22:50:59
 
Even if this is intentional, it's co ...   Mountain out of a molehill   
BrerBear
Feb 12, 2001, 22:51:46
 
(clearly not developers, given the conte ...   Re: KDE whiners   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 22:54:56
 
I thought it was funny, and quite tongue ...   this is stupid and so is the article   
Aaron
Feb 12, 2001, 22:55:06
 
> Kurt Granroth is an active developer i ...   Re: Re: KDE whiners   
Rick Salts
Feb 12, 2001, 22:59:24
 
Hi Rick, 

I don't see what this h ...   FUDding   
Waldo Bastian
Feb 12, 2001, 23:02:52
 
Enough already.  Since the recent Gnome  ...   Pleeeeze   
Im_dropping KDE_from_my_box
Feb 12, 2001, 23:03:58
 
Why bother you say?  Look at the interes ...   cut-throat competition (Re: Re: Have any of the pe   
ac
Feb 12, 2001, 23:06:28
 
"I searched for "Linux Desktop" and KDE  ...   I did the searches ...   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:06:43
 
Reading the postings here makes me reall ...   Sorry Linux guys I really had higher hopes for Ope   
Björn W
Feb 12, 2001, 23:07:01
 
> Hi Rick, 
> 
> I don't see what  ...   Re: FUDding   
Rick Salts
Feb 12, 2001, 23:08:37
 
is that Gnome tries to claim "moral supe ...   What bothers me..   
Slack User
Feb 12, 2001, 23:09:42
 
I don't see what disclosing the dirt ...   FUDding   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:10:02
 
I was refering to YOU.

No you weren&# ...   Re: Re: KDE whiners   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:15:16
 
Time to grow up, KDE community!  Show us ...   KDE Whining   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:18:15
 
Ok, now this is just low.  After conside ...   My support of GNOME is over   
Leo
Feb 12, 2001, 23:18:25
 
Does this little episode have to be char ...   About Ximian, not Gnome?   
Doug Bostrom
Feb 12, 2001, 23:21:04
 
... but no matter what the ethical situa ...   Fair? maybe...   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:24:58
 
I can't see how a small advertising  ...   Re: Re: This is unethical   
AJWM
Feb 12, 2001, 23:26:05
 
What will be next, Ximian?
Will Ximian  ...   What will be next, Ximian?   
a@c.d
Feb 12, 2001, 23:27:27
 
I would think most people trying Linux w ...   Get a thicker skin!   
Kent
Feb 12, 2001, 23:31:28
 
KDE is used on more linux desktops than  ...   KDE don't have to Pay to Be Best   
Brad
Feb 12, 2001, 23:32:10
 
> It's the exact same as when mail m ...   Re: Mountain out of a molehill   
Leo
Feb 12, 2001, 23:42:57
 
> Time to grow up, KDE community!  Show  ...   Re: KDE Whining   
Michael Portuesi
Feb 12, 2001, 23:44:01
 
Not to fan the flames, but I found it ve ...   That Is hilarious!!!!   
mE
Feb 12, 2001, 23:45:21
 
Or Windows? Or apple? Or any other deskt ...   Why is there no ad when searching for microsoft   
anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:45:39
 
or is it that Ximian that is pathetic? m ...   Re: Pathetic   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:47:58
 
allowing the company to be seduced into  ...   Re: About Ximian, not Gnome?   
Anon
Feb 12, 2001, 23:48:03
 
> Business is business.

No, not in th ...   Re: boohoo   
Axel
Feb 12, 2001, 23:50:59
 
as all the KDE and Gnome partisans screa ...   Tempest in a teapot ... again,   
George Mitchell
Feb 12, 2001, 23:53:03
 
> No, it sounds like you have an axe to  ...   Re: Re: Re: If this is the worst...   
Leo
Feb 12, 2001, 23:55:07
 
When I go to my local supermarket, often ...   Supermarket coupons   
Andrew Johnson
Feb 12, 2001, 23:56:15
 
Whoa, whoa!  I'm not happy about it, ...   Re: benefit of the doubt - NOT   
Rufus Polson
Feb 12, 2001, 23:56:39
 
Gnome still works without Ximian... Most ...   Gnome will continue to exist in my Linux box but X   
Sven Dahlqvist
Feb 13, 2001, 00:00:38
 
(this is kinda' what Ximian has done ...   Re: Re: Pathetic   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 00:03:15
 
It is interesting that the KDE guys foun ...   More KDE FUD and Bluster   
Ragnar
Feb 13, 2001, 00:04:08
 
Just a thought... ...   Ximian is getting greedy... Loosing their roots in   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 00:05:05
 
"But KDE is bad too, so we can be a litt ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: If this is the worst...   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 00:09:39
 
WTF? You can download ximian for free as ...   Re: this is stupid and so is the article   
WiseGuy
Feb 13, 2001, 00:10:12
 
> (this is kinda' what Ximian has do ...   Re: Re: Re: Pathetic   
jj
Feb 13, 2001, 00:13:17
 

If you don't know how to direct yo ...   whois gnome-support.de   
Joe Barr
Feb 13, 2001, 00:14:23
 
> Business is business.
> 

So, that  ...   Re: boohoo   
Michael Portuesi
Feb 13, 2001, 00:14:53
 
Linus Torvalds putting up an ad on googl ...   Whats next?   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 00:16:01
 

I think this whole "issue" is a non-is ...   Re: I did the searches ...   
WiseGuy
Feb 13, 2001, 00:17:15
 
I have looked at the ads and read the co ...   Re: Re: FUDding   
WiseGuy
Feb 13, 2001, 00:21:49
 
Well if you would have read the article  ...   Re:x4 Pathetic   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 00:30:07
 
When I go to my local supermarket, often ...   Re: Supermarket coupons   
Dre
Feb 13, 2001, 00:35:32
 
Just imagine if two years ago Trolltech  ...   Re: Re: Re: FUDding   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 00:37:08
 
> Now we have Kurt and other KDE folks w ...   Re: whois gnome-support.de   
Peter
Feb 13, 2001, 00:47:40
 

> 
> I say again, grow up and spend s ...   Re: Re:x4 Pathetic   
jj
Feb 13, 2001, 00:47:49
 
> Well if you would have read the articl ...   Re: Re:x4 Pathetic   
WiseGuy
Feb 13, 2001, 00:51:35
 
I don't know if KDE is a registered  ...   Is KDE trademarked?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 13, 2001, 00:53:22
 
> Just imagine if two years ago Trolltec ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: FUDding   
WiseGuy
Feb 13, 2001, 00:58:04
 

Now we have Kurt and other KDE folks w ...   Re: whois gnome-support.de   
WiseGuy
Feb 13, 2001, 01:05:04
 
Yes, it is possible. If someone is a new ...   Re: Re: Re:x4 Pathetic   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 01:09:06
 
> I have tended to support Gnome.  This  ...   Re: This is unethical   
Rick James
Feb 13, 2001, 01:15:34
 
If a search for "Ford Automobiles" revel ...   Re: If this is the worst...   
David Johnson
Feb 13, 2001, 01:16:22
 
Says you.

Feel free to provide a reas ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FUDding   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 01:17:56
 

"KDE is a trademark of the KDE project ...   Re: Is KDE trademarked?   
reihal
Feb 13, 2001, 01:23:57
 
>It is certainly not dishonest... which  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re:x4 Pathetic   
reihal
Feb 13, 2001, 01:30:15
 
> Is it costing them revenue?

KDE (un ...   Re: Who cares?   
Michael
Feb 13, 2001, 01:53:25
 
Joe Barr, are you working for Bill Gates ...   To: Joe Barr Re: whois gnome-support.de   
KDE User
Feb 13, 2001, 02:04:43
 

It looks to me like every time someone ...   MS Trolls??   
William B. Greenwood Jr.
Feb 13, 2001, 06:21:20
 
> I have tended to support Gnome.  This  ...   Re: This is unethical   
ajslvnv
Feb 13, 2001, 09:38:29
 
If you're kind enough to read the ar ...   Re: KDE whiners   
Matt
Feb 13, 2001, 10:17:29
 
I don't think i need someone like yo ...   Re: Re: Re:x4 Pathetic   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 11:26:09
 
For the life of me I can't understan ...   Overreacting.... *sigh*   
Someone
Feb 13, 2001, 13:31:40
 
Second, Ximian's actions are the act ...   RE: Overreacting.... *sigh*   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 16:25:59
 
So are those of the KDE project... Troll ...   Re: RE: Overreacting.... *sigh*   
blob
Feb 13, 2001, 16:33:04
 

Hi folks!

This is one of the best t ...   :-)   
Helge Dennhardt
Feb 13, 2001, 18:58:27
 
 Neither of the writers are employed by  ...   Re: Re: RE: Overreacting.... *sigh*   
Jules
Feb 13, 2001, 19:57:07
 
Are you a commie? DO you really believe  ...   Re: Re: If this is the worst...   
NOne
Feb 15, 2001, 14:38:03
 
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