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:Tatu Ylonen requests OpenSSH to change its name
Tatu Ylonen requests OpenSSH to change its name
Feb 14, 2001, 07 :46 UTC (107 Talkback[s]) (36723 reads)

(Other stories by Tatu Ylonen)

[ Thanks to Mouring for this link. ]

From ylo@ssh.com Wed Feb 14 01:19:56 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:36:19 +0200
From: Tatu Ylonen <ylo@ssh.com>
To: openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org
Subject: SSH trademarks and the OpenSSH product name

Friends,

Sorry to write this to a developer mailing list.  I have already
approached some OpenSSH/OpenBSD core members on this, including Markus
Friedl, Theo de Raadt, and Niels Provos, but they have chosen not to
bring the issue up on the mailing list.  I am not aware of any other
forum where I would reach the OpenSSH developers, so I will post this
here.

As you know, I have been using the SSH trademark as the brand name of
my SSH (Secure Shell) secure remote login product and related
technology ever since I released the first version in July 1995.  I
have explicitly claimed them as trademarks at least from early 1996.

In December 1995, I started SSH Communications Security Corp to
support and further develop the SSH (Secure Shell) secure remote login
products and to develop other network security solutions (especially
in the IPSEC and PKI areas).  SSH Communications Security Corp is now
publicly listed in the Helsinki Exchange, employs 180 people working
in various areas of cryptographic network security, and our products
are distributed directly and indirectly by hundreds of licensed
distributors and OEMs worldwide using the SSH brand name.  There are
several million users of products that we have licensed under the
SSH brand.

To protect the SSH trademark I (or SSH Communications Security Corp,
to be more accurate) registered the SSH mark in the United States and
European Union in 1996 (others pending).  We also have a registration
pending on the Secure Shell mark.

The SSH mark is a significant asset of SSH Communications Security and
the company strives to protect its valuable rights in the SSH® name
and mark.  SSH Communications Security has made a substantial
investment in time and money in its SSH mark, such that end users have
come to recognize that the mark represents SSH Communications Security
as the source of the high quality products offered under the mark.
This resulting goodwill is of vital importance to SSH Communications
Security Corp.

We have also been distributing free versions of SSH Secure Shell under
the SSH brand since 1995.  The latest version, ssh-2.4.0, is free for
any use on the Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD operating systems,
as well as for universities and charity organizations, and for
personal hobby/recreational use by individuals.

We have been including trademark markings in SSH distributions, on the
www.ssh.fi, www.ssh.com, and www.ssh.org web sites, IETF standards
documents, license/readme files and product packaging long before the
OpenSSH group was formed.  Accordingly, we would like you to
understand the importance of the SSH mark to us, and, by necessity,
our need to protect the trademark against the unauthorized use by
others.

Many of you are (and the initiators of the OpenSSH group certainly
should have been) well aware of the existence of the trademark.  Some
of the OpenBSD/OpenSSH developers/sponsors have also received a formal
legal notice about the infringement earlier.

I have started receiving a significant amount of e-mail where people
are confusing OpenSSH as either my product or my company's product, or
are confusing or misrepresenting the meaning of the SSH and Secure
Shell trademarks.  I have also been informed of several recent press
articles and outright advertisements that are further confusing the
origin and meaning of the trademark.

The confusion is made even worse by the fact that OpenSSH is also a
derivative of my original SSH Secure Shell product, and it still looks
very much like my product (without my approval for any of it, by the
way).  The old SSH1 protocol and implementation are known to have
fundamental security problems, some of which have been described in
recent CERT vulnerability notices and various conference papers.
OpenSSH is doing a disservice to the whole Internet security community
by lengthing the life cycle of the fundamentally broken SSH1
protocols.

The use of the SSH trademark by OpenSSH is in violation of my
company's intellectual property rights, and is causing me, my company,
our licensees, and our products considerable financial and other
damage.

I would thus like to ask you to change the name OpenSSH to something
else that doesn't infringe the SSH or Secure Shell trademarks,
basically to something that is clearly different and doesn't cause
confusion.

Also, please understand that I have nothing against independent
implementations of the SSH Secure Shell protocols.  I started and
fully support the IETF SECSH working group in its standardization
efforts, and we have offered certain licenses to use the SSH mark to
refer to the protocol and to indicate that a product complies with the
standard.  Anyone can implement the IETF SECSH working group standard
without requiring any special licenses from us.  It is the use of the
"SSH" and "Secure Shell" trademarks in product names or in otherwise
confusing manner that we wish to prevent.

Please also try to look at this from my viewpoint.  I developed SSH
(Secure Shell), started using the name for it, established a company
using the name, all of our products are marketed using the SSH brand,
and we have created a fairly widely known global brand using the name.
Unauthorized use of the SSH mark by the OpenSSH group is threathening
to destroy everything I have built on it during the last several
years.  I want to be able to continue using the SSH and Secure Shell
names as identifying my own and my company's products and
technologies, which the unlawful use of the SSH name by OpenSSH is
making very hard.

Therefore, I am asking you to please choose another name for the
OpenSSH product and stop using the SSH mark in your product name and
in otherwise confusing manner.

Regards,

    Tatu Ylonen

SSH Communications Security           http://www.ssh.com/
SSH IPSEC Toolkit                     http://www.ipsec.com/
SSH(R) Secure Shell(TM)               http://www.ssh.com/products/ssh


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This guy seems like he has been very giv ...   Seems Reasonable   
Adam
Feb 14, 2001, 08:01:25
 
Does seem reasonable indeed. And OpenSSH ...   Agree...   
Goto
Feb 14, 2001, 08:11:56
 
Well apart from SSH belonging to this gu ...   So how should we call it then?   
Gilad
Feb 14, 2001, 08:17:28
 
I recommend calling it "SHH"... or maybe ...   recomendation   
Sean
Feb 14, 2001, 08:25:30
 
I like ESH too, but www.esh.org is alrea ...   Uhura   
Chris Altmann
Feb 14, 2001, 08:27:08
 
If we can&#39;t find another name we&#39 ...   Agree to...   
Markus
Feb 14, 2001, 08:31:31
 
Yeah, I&#39;d have to agree too, the guy ...   Re: Agree...   
Pete
Feb 14, 2001, 08:44:17
 
It should be changed to something like O ...   should be something similar   
SM
Feb 14, 2001, 09:11:23
 
Is this a reasonable request.  Of course ...   Reasonable? Yes. But wait.   
anon
Feb 14, 2001, 09:16:19
 
I think this guy is being straight up. A ...   Re: Agree to...   
J-L
Feb 14, 2001, 09:22:13
 
I was thinking at the same name too: "ES ...   esh is already   
Jurgen
Feb 14, 2001, 09:46:13
 
SecLogin
or
EncLogin

ESH sounds lik ...   Secure Login / Encrypted Login   
Christoph
Feb 14, 2001, 10:03:46
 
> Yeah, I&#39;d have to agree too, the g ...   Re: Re: Agree...   
deepthroat
Feb 14, 2001, 10:04:34
 
Sounds perfectly reasonable, and his poi ...   Definitely reasonable.   
Bill Baxter
Feb 14, 2001, 10:13:18
 
Or "SHell Secured". 
SHE ("SHell Encryp ...   SHS   
none
Feb 14, 2001, 10:19:18
 
Well,

SSH is right to claim what is t ...   So right.   
NimZ
Feb 14, 2001, 10:20:10
 
The new name seems fairly simple, what a ...   New name   
David
Feb 14, 2001, 10:35:29
 
If for some reason someone thinks sacces ...   saccess   
Jussi Kallioniemi
Feb 14, 2001, 11:17:07
 
Why should we treat him any differently  ...   What makes him/them any different?   
g
Feb 14, 2001, 11:22:48
 
By all means, let him have his name.
He ...   Better the name than the software   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 14, 2001, 11:37:54
 
Seems like a reasonable request to me.
 ...   BlowShell   
Debber
Feb 14, 2001, 11:44:12
 
> Well apart from SSH belonging to this  ...   Re: So how should we call it then?   
Jurgen Defurne
Feb 14, 2001, 11:44:48
 
 How about OpenESH. Matches better with  ...   OpenESH   
Shawn
Feb 14, 2001, 11:48:33
 
Could the headline writer please learn E ...   Headline and name   
MJR
Feb 14, 2001, 11:51:50
 
It does not need to be an acronym, espec ...   What sort of a name?   
tftp
Feb 14, 2001, 12:02:07
 
It&#39;s not clear to me if the letter w ...   Not so reasonable   
Marko Grönroos
Feb 14, 2001, 12:04:00
 
Free Remote Remote Shell.
That fits in  ...   FRESH   
cr
Feb 14, 2001, 12:14:06
 
Hi,

he mentioned the IETF SECSH group ...   What about (Open)SecSH?   
Dirk Heinrichs
Feb 14, 2001, 12:15:54
 
Although the request seems reasonable th ...   It will incur losses though   
nobody
Feb 14, 2001, 12:20:52
 
There is ALREADY a freSSH. ...   Re: FRESH   
dan
Feb 14, 2001, 12:30:42
 
If &#39;SSH&#39; is a trademark, but it  ...   trademark   
Martijn
Feb 14, 2001, 12:44:14
 
Why should we treat him any differently  ...   Re: What makes him/them any different?   
Wol
Feb 14, 2001, 12:49:29
 

It&#39;s spelled X-Window System. Hope ...   Re: What makes him/them any different?   
Punisher
Feb 14, 2001, 13:13:53
 
Your argument is fine, but the fact rema ...   Re: Re: What makes him/them any different?   
SM
Feb 14, 2001, 13:15:28
 
I can see where they would like to prote ...   Partly Reasonable   
Gordon Haverland
Feb 14, 2001, 13:17:36
 
It really isn&#39;t a shell as such, and ...   SLink? Tatu's claims, ending a debate   
Leon Brooks
Feb 14, 2001, 13:27:28
 
I think Tatu and SSH Communications have ...   Poses a few problems ...   
Bill Rugolsky
Feb 14, 2001, 13:28:07
 
> If &#39;SSH&#39; is a trademark, but i ...   Re: trademark   
Scott Knight
Feb 14, 2001, 13:28:21
 
> 
> It&#39;s spelled X-Window System.  ...   Re: Re: What makes him/them any different?   
Peter Whysall
Feb 14, 2001, 13:53:46
 
In the first place openssh already chang ...   I don't have any problem telling them apart.   
Jimmy the Geek
Feb 14, 2001, 13:56:11
 
> The new name seems fairly simple, what ...   Re: New name   
Col. Klink
Feb 14, 2001, 14:15:43
 
So, if the OpenSSH folks change the name ...   Good grief   
vic
Feb 14, 2001, 14:23:06
 
Think of how many questions this name wi ...   SecureTelnet   
Ben
Feb 14, 2001, 14:28:04
 
I&#39;m amazed by the number of people h ...   Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Rob Seace
Feb 14, 2001, 14:45:31
 
I agree.  I think that although the requ ...   kleenex   
bill duncan
Feb 14, 2001, 15:03:06
 
I think people should take a look at:

 ...   See Deadly.org posting of SSH license   
Erik
Feb 14, 2001, 15:13:05
 
For how many years was this not even a p ...   This is outrageous   
ac
Feb 14, 2001, 15:19:47
 
.... for a clever new name

How about  ...   Ah, the possibilities.....   
tommy higbee
Feb 14, 2001, 15:22:05
 
To begin with X-Windows was around when  ...   Re: What makes him/them any different?   
Joshua Rosen
Feb 14, 2001, 15:32:31
 
> Seriously lame.

Hmmm.

The lesson ...   Re: See Deadly.org posting of SSH license   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 14, 2001, 15:49:48
 
> Could the headline writer please learn ...   Re: Headline and name   
Petty
Feb 14, 2001, 15:54:42
 
Instead of companies sending their attac ...   Most companies would have sent a cease-and-desist   
Steve Willer
Feb 14, 2001, 15:56:59
 
Free Implementation of SSH ...   FISSH   
J.t.Qbe
Feb 14, 2001, 15:57:08
 
> I recommend calling it "SHH"... or may ...   SHH - I love it   
Daniel Phillips
Feb 14, 2001, 16:04:36
 

 it&#39;s like Volkswagen, which is a  ...   *snork*   
I R A Darth Aggie
Feb 14, 2001, 16:04:47
 
> The lesson, I suppose, is that one sho ...   Re: Re: See Deadly.org posting of SSH license   
Col. Klink
Feb 14, 2001, 16:08:05
 
> Free Remote Remote Shell.  That fits i ...   FRESH - love it too   
Daniel Phillips
Feb 14, 2001, 16:14:20
 
"SNS is Not SSH" in analogy with "GNU is ...   SNS   
Alan W. Irwin
Feb 14, 2001, 16:16:56
 
SSH has never been in the Linux communit ...   Re: Reasonable? Yes. But wait.   
Victor
Feb 14, 2001, 16:42:56
 
Well, however despicable you find this t ...   Despicable: Suggestion: ESH   
proclus realm
Feb 14, 2001, 17:21:11
 
> btw, the commercial version can never  ...   Re: Re: What makes him/them any different?   
Gaspode
Feb 14, 2001, 17:21:41
 
 
&#96;&#96;The confusion is made even  ...   Oh no...   
Richard N. Turner
Feb 14, 2001, 17:25:24
 
ssh may be the trademark (Oh!, I met one ...   No   
james
Feb 14, 2001, 17:29:08
 
So now we have to wait for somene to cla ...   Copyrighting protocol names :-(   
Jacek Piskozub
Feb 14, 2001, 17:45:48
 
> Seems to me that this is less an issue ...   But, it's NOT reasonable, Dean...   
Rob Seace
Feb 14, 2001, 17:47:07
 
> If we can&#39;t find another name we&# ...   Re: Agree to...   
JW
Feb 14, 2001, 18:03:28
 
How the hell is
it "reasonable" to clai ...   Reasonable?? Not at all..   
Donovan Rebbechi
Feb 14, 2001, 18:13:13
 
> > Seems to me that this is less an iss ...   Re: But, it's NOT reasonable, Dean...   
Jim
Feb 14, 2001, 18:39:26
 
 Think of how many questions this name w ...   Re: SecureTelnet   
John Stracke
Feb 14, 2001, 18:48:06
 
.. oops.. guess every three letter monic ...   Secure Command Prompt - SCP   
John Willis
Feb 14, 2001, 19:09:02
 
I suggest OINS: OpenSSH Is Not SSH.

- ...   OINS   
Joe Merlino
Feb 14, 2001, 19:27:52
 
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:48:10 -0500    ...   One more thing to consider (came from the OpenSSH   
Mouring
Feb 14, 2001, 19:31:15
 
After reading some of the reactions here ...   I take it back NOT REASONABLE   
Adam
Feb 14, 2001, 20:15:06
 
> That would depend on whether ssh was a ...   Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Rob Seace
Feb 14, 2001, 20:30:50
 
Between the folks on this board and the  ...   Re: Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...UNCLE!!   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 14, 2001, 20:59:45
 
HUSH looks to be a trademark of www.hush ...   HUSH is taken. Look at www.hushmail.com   
simos
Feb 14, 2001, 21:46:55
 
> As to Linux:  I&#39;ll bet Linus could ...   Re: Re: Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...UNC   
anonymous
Feb 14, 2001, 21:54:01
 
Also, Mr.Ylonen authored the IETF SSH RF ...   Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Donovan Rebbechi
Feb 14, 2001, 22:21:43
 
Don&#39;t look at the issue from a legal ...   To those who thinks it's unreasonable   
Mike
Feb 14, 2001, 22:26:55
 
I vote for stelnet.
 
1. It&#39;s shor ...   stelnet   
Ganesh Prasad
Feb 14, 2001, 23:12:30
 
I vote for selnet: "secure telnet". Perh ...   Selnet!   
Carlos
Feb 14, 2001, 23:55:06
 
> So now we have to wait for somene to c ...   Re: Copyrighting protocol names :-(   
Donovan Rebbechi
Feb 14, 2001, 23:55:47
 
> No, you don&#39;t make it worthless. Y ...   Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Rob Seace
Feb 15, 2001, 00:04:04
 
If OpenSSH infringes on SSH&#39;s tradem ...   (OpenSSH == SSH) && (SSH == sh)   
Scraph
Feb 15, 2001, 00:22:43
 
> It invalidates the trademark because t ...   Re: Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Donovan Rebbechi
Feb 15, 2001, 02:50:25
 
I have to be honest, this one has me stu ...   I dunno, it's a bit convoluted   
Donald Goodwin
Feb 15, 2001, 03:23:45
 

> The difference here would be that th ...   Re: Re: Copyrighting protocol names :-(   
Jacek Piskozub
Feb 15, 2001, 05:35:50
 

> When openssh binaries are distribute ...   Re: Re: Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Jacek Piskozub
Feb 15, 2001, 07:20:23
 
> > It invalidates the trademark because ...   Re: Re: Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 15, 2001, 08:49:25
 
and so you will receive a letter from AC ...   Re: SNS   
Luigi Genoni
Feb 15, 2001, 11:27:13
 
Well, Jacek and Rainer have done a good  ...   Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
Rob Seace
Feb 15, 2001, 14:42:46
 
> To depart from the topic at hand ... d ...   Re: Re: Headline and name   
MJR
Feb 15, 2001, 15:19:20
 
It was actually Uhura. It means "freedom ...   Re: So how should we call it then?   
Jacek Piskozub
Feb 15, 2001, 19:26:48
 
I can&#39;t believe some of the response ...   Nonsense   
Christian
Feb 16, 2001, 01:40:37
 
>Could the headline writer please learn  ...   please learn English?   
fred
Feb 16, 2001, 10:44:23
 
If you think it was &#39;nice&#39; to gi ...   Re: To those who thinks it's unreasonable   
Dennis
Feb 16, 2001, 14:13:49
 
"Secure Shell" as a trade mark is ridicu ...   Description as Trademark? Go play.   
Matthias Andree
Feb 19, 2001, 18:58:34
 
The only reason Tatu Ylönen is doing thi ...   Yeah right   
anon
Feb 20, 2001, 23:16:10
 
If the name should really change, SeSH s ...   what about OpenSeSH?   
gildas
Feb 28, 2001, 11:35:46
 
With all of this hub-bub about names and ...   SHeeSh   
insomniak1
Mar 1, 2001, 00:43:41
 
ssh

-->hss ...   Re: Agree...   
CK
Mar 1, 2001, 03:12:35
 
Would changing the name of openssh help? ...   Would it help?   
Len
Mar 1, 2001, 10:59:55
 
The request seems fair and reasonable to ...   Kick it back   
Anna Armannsdottir
Mar 11, 2001, 23:27:21
 
How about osh (openshell) ...   Re: recomendation   
Eric Earl
Oct 23, 2001, 21:24:47
 
Hi Tatu,I fully understand your viewpoin ...   understood, but not accepted!   
crix
Mar 7, 2002, 15:32:04
 
> > No, you don&#39;t make it worthless. ...   Re: Re: Reasonable?? Not at all...   
steve chen
Nov 11, 2005, 09:07:45
 
Wow! Just bumped into this whole SSH bru ...   Resolution ?? and Time on the Web!   
George Carey
Nov 24, 2006, 18:38:44
 
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