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:Rant Mode Equals One: The Linux Reality Versus the Microsoft Dream
Rant Mode Equals One: The Linux Reality Versus the Microsoft Dream
Feb 16, 2001, 09 :08 UTC (145 Talkback[s]) (39726 reads)

(Other stories by Paul Ferris)

By Paul Ferris

Well, we're finally getting down to brass tacks with Microsoft.

Jim Allchin, in an interview with CNET.com comes right out and proclaims that "Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer." He then goes on to equate Linux-like operations with Napster-like operations. The two things aren't the same and Allchin knows it. But possibly a lot of people looking in will think the two are inseparable. Possibly the witch hunt can begin if you throw enough mud at the competition.

The threats are not comical anymore. I was laughing at Steve Ballmers' characterization of Linux as "crummy". I have to admit that when I read that I thought "If that's the best he can do, then we're in the home stretch." What was baffling was why he didn't go all out and say it was "Ugly", or "Butt-ugly"? I don't know -- but crummy? Well!

These sound-bites from Allchin, however, aren't so funny. You get the feeling that possibly he wants to begin legislating something in Microsoft's favor (like UCITA wasn't already enough). This from a company that has been screaming mighty loud about preventing the government from meddling in their affairs.

It's different, I guess, when it comes to Linux and Open Source, eh? The government might begin supporting Linux more, I guess is the worry. The government should support Microsoft more -- why? Because Allchin hints that Microsoft is where the real innovation is taking place.

When has Microsoft been innovative? It's no secret that the single most innovative thing in recent years (the Internet) is running mostly non-Microsoft products. Some of us will even go so far as to say that the Internet wouldn't have happened had it not been for Open Source. Why? Because that's where the real innovation is happening.

Anywhere but Microsoft

Microsoft has been a close follower, picking up technologies developed elsewhere and rolling them into their own. That's not innovation.

Jim, I understand that you want to innovate -- please start sometime soon, and maybe we'll all listen closer to your demands. In the mean time, what about my right to innovate? Where is my right to innovation when you have the rights to the source code locked up tight in a safe in the Redmond castle?

Where is all this talk about "The American Way" when the rights of the people who use a product are compromised -- when there is taxation without representation? When you charge for something that many (inside and outside of the United States) believe should be the property of the people who use it?

Microsoft did not invent the operating system. Microsoft came along and packaged it, branded it and made it as proprietary as they could while at the same time yanking as many ideas from competitors as possible.

Jim -- that's not innovation. That's integration. That's marketing. You are now and always will be free to do that.

And Linux isn't a threat to Microsoft's ability to innovate either. Not only do you now have a cool source of new ideas to patch into Windows -- you have the source code to go along with it as an example (Not that Microsoft would ever use Open Source code in any Windows product, mind you).

Linux is a threat, however, to Microsoft operating system revenue. Possibly the same way that the American revolution was a threat to Englands' tax revenue. For the same reasons, the Linux and Open Source revolution is going to continue to happen.

So Jim, what do you suggest? Legislate usage of Windows? Look around -- Linux is a global phenomenon. The global revolution is going to happen, regardless of the legislation passed in America. You want to import more programmers from around the globe, but at the same time you don't think that their ideas will make it in too? You want to import talent from around the globe, but you think you will keep out something like Linux?

It's amazing the way that Microsoft plays the game. The rules only apply when things happen in their favor.

Taxation without representation? Only if it helps Microsoft.

Legislation? Only if it helps Microsoft maintain their monopoly.

Innovation? Only if it can happen in one place -- Redmond Washington.

It's time for Microsoft to give up the FUD -- and start innovating like they claim they want to.

The cat is out of the bag. The GNU General Public License is no more anti-American than the United States Constitution. True, honest to God innovation is happening with Linux right now, and the party is open to everyone -- including Microsoft if they want to get in on it. It's a growing phenomena that is creating intellectual property and true new innovations. The only thing that can possibly upset Jim Allchin is that Microsoft can't own that intellectual property. They aren't free to repackage it and drive out competitors with the same tricks they've always depended upon in the past.

What a sham. It's un-American all of a sudden if Microsoft can't own it.

Go ahead, squeeze harder. Lobby like crazy. That's the American way, right? Get the government to help support the Microsoft-Party line. Get that threat of competition extinguished right away. Go on importing programmers from around the globe so that you can maintain your precious locked-in intellectual property and tax the whole world for items that are available otherwise for free from a user-supported code base.

Keep the American dream alive, Jim.

Yours, that is. In the mean time, I'll live with my Linux realities.


Paul Ferris is the Director of Technology for the Linux and Open Source Channel at internet.com, and has been covering Linux and Open Source news for over 3 years.

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Waaaaah! Mommy, Linux is hurting Win2k s ...   Microsoft == Communism   
Gareth Barnard
Feb 16, 2001, 00:05:44
 
Allchin was spouting off. He forgot to p ...   He hit your hot button, I see...   
David Johnson
Feb 16, 2001, 00:15:24
 

Good rant.

See ya,
Joe Barr ...   You go, Paul!   
Joe Barr
Feb 16, 2001, 00:18:54
 
You've been clacking on that keyboar ...   Gee Paul, that was fast.   
Tim Hanson
Feb 16, 2001, 00:24:21
 
I noticed that Microsoft really started  ...   The latest Microsoft salvo a response to the 2.4 k   
rwm
Feb 16, 2001, 00:31:13
 
PATRIOTISM, n.  ... In Dr. Johnson's ...   Patriotism   
Jim Thompson
Feb 16, 2001, 00:44:33
 
Come on.

FREE publicity.

We've ...   I think this is great.   
Brandioch Conner
Feb 16, 2001, 00:50:29
 
Great article.  Allchin has thrown down  ...   Good one, Paul!   
Dave Parker
Feb 16, 2001, 00:51:11
 
I'm glad of reading the brilliant pe ...   Great Disertation Paul!   
Homero Leal
Feb 16, 2001, 00:53:28
 
So, Paul,  you had to go and blow it?
H ...   Damn it, Paul, I'm an observer, not a magician   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 01:00:23
 
Until the release of Win 95, MSFT had no ...   Microsoft using Open Source Code   
Dave Uhring
Feb 16, 2001, 01:00:44
 
Took the words right out of my mouth. ...   Amen Brother!   
Brian Maxfield
Feb 16, 2001, 01:02:52
 
Great article, but what do we do next. I ...   What do we do next?   
Thomas Hudson
Feb 16, 2001, 01:13:32
 
It will only be a matter of time... more ...   only a matter of time   
sadsfae
Feb 16, 2001, 01:14:41
 
MS tried the communism smear a while bac ...   Linux and communism   
Ted Staberow
Feb 16, 2001, 01:20:03
 
As Alexis DeToqueville observed, all Ame ...   Linux IS Un-American   
John Paul
Feb 16, 2001, 01:21:34
 
Forget not that both major political par ...   Don't underestimate the politicians...   
Ed Craig
Feb 16, 2001, 01:27:11
 
Just review their depositions, testimony ...   But, but Microsoft has innovated!   
Jim Griffin
Feb 16, 2001, 01:33:26
 
> FREE publicity.

ain't it the tr ...   Re: I think this is great.   
cornelius
Feb 16, 2001, 01:42:33
 
> So, Paul,  you had to go and blow it?
 ...   Re: Damn it, Paul, I'm an observer, not a magi   
Paul Ferris
Feb 16, 2001, 01:52:56
 
After stewing on this one for a while, i ...   A simple question...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 01:57:12
 
He's right, there are plenty of stup ...   Right On!   
William Lacy
Feb 16, 2001, 02:03:02
 
> Are you not also insinuating that my m ...   Re: Re: Damn it, Paul, I'm an observer, not a   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 02:09:02
 
May I humbly submit this link to another ...   RE: Linux == Communism   
Nicholas Donovan
Feb 16, 2001, 02:12:29
 
I basically agree with your thesis, but  ...   Re: Linux and communism   
Scott Courtney
Feb 16, 2001, 02:22:36
 
Here is another reference comparing Linu ...   Re: RE: Linux == Communism   
Merc
Feb 16, 2001, 03:05:42
 
The people of eastern europe thought it  ...   As Linus once said it:   
Linus wannabe
Feb 16, 2001, 03:13:24
 
Talk about being more American, probably ...   Bill Gates as Next US President   
Chee Seng
Feb 16, 2001, 03:16:03
 
> I basically agree with your thesis, bu ...   Re: Re: Linux and communism--Hey Courtney! I thou   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 03:31:55
 
Microsoft now looks like a boxer, who is ...   Wow   
Chris Carella
Feb 16, 2001, 04:04:19
 
how very interesting. and utterly wrong. ...   Re: Linux IS Un-American   
Curt Howland
Feb 16, 2001, 04:25:45
 
> Waaaaah! Mommy, Linux is hurting Win2k ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
reaperx1
Feb 16, 2001, 04:41:39
 
> Until the release of Win 95, MSFT had  ...   Re: Microsoft using Open Source Code   
reaperx1
Feb 16, 2001, 04:48:33
 
Nice article, Paul.

Earlier, someone  ...   Microsoft is an Innovation Killer   
Mike Cornall
Feb 16, 2001, 04:55:13
 
I just put this up on my badtux.org site ...   My own rant...   
Eric Lee Green
Feb 16, 2001, 04:57:09
 
I am now going to charge anyone who has  ...   MS has convinced me that they are right.   
Jimmy the Geek
Feb 16, 2001, 05:02:56
 
Those who create software have a right ( ...   Intellectual property   
ashnazg
Feb 16, 2001, 05:07:17
 
--01:35:51--  http://www.nsa.gov:80/ 
   ...   Need I say more   
Ant
Feb 16, 2001, 05:11:43
 
http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/index.html 

 ...   Some more food for thought   
Ant
Feb 16, 2001, 05:15:39
 
According to Microsofts add for Windows  ...   Windows 95 is crummy according to M$   
Harvey Nelson
Feb 16, 2001, 05:18:34
 
> There is no way in Hell that Microsoft ...   Re: He hit your hot button, I see...   
Vilmos Soti
Feb 16, 2001, 05:21:54
 
This great man once said:
"First they i ...   Gandhi   
decaf
Feb 16, 2001, 07:51:58
 
Perhaps MS wants the Committee for the I ...   Un-American activities   
Colin Walls
Feb 16, 2001, 08:29:59
 
This is still the phoney war. Just wait  ...   not yet serious?   
geoff lane
Feb 16, 2001, 08:58:39
 
If Microsoft had a monopoly on mass-tran ...   If Microsoft Was 150 Years Old...   
Brent Hawkins
Feb 16, 2001, 09:01:02
 
Well well, microsoft is showing just how ...   Fearing a none profit .org ?   
Adrian Shai Ranta
Feb 16, 2001, 09:39:32
 
...or if they were in the business of se ...   Re: If Microsoft Was 150 Years Old...   
george3
Feb 16, 2001, 11:00:56
 
> This is still the phoney war. Just wai ...   Re: not yet serious?   
Peter Jordan
Feb 16, 2001, 11:05:45
 
  It seems to me that we are conceding t ...   Are we taking the wrong tack?   
Charles Buckley
Feb 16, 2001, 11:15:31
 
> This is still the phoney war. Just wai ...   Re: not yet serious?   
Charles Buckley
Feb 16, 2001, 11:23:37
 
> This is still the phoney war. Just wai ...   Re: not yet serious?   
Tom Walsh
Feb 16, 2001, 11:25:39
 
Nevermind that page, there are no screen ...   Re: Some more food for thought   
Per Wigren
Feb 16, 2001, 11:39:17
 
> Sound like Communism to me.

Don&#39 ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
nobody
Feb 16, 2001, 11:52:19
 
> I am now going to charge anyone who ha ...   Re: MS has convinced me that they are right.   
B Hawkins
Feb 16, 2001, 12:26:21
 
YES!! and thank goodness for it!  ...   Re: Linux IS Un-American   
J Tullett
Feb 16, 2001, 12:34:52
 

"Un-american" is an inherently racist  ...   Re: Linux IS Un-American   
Bertie Wooster
Feb 16, 2001, 12:37:38
 
Bravo! ...   Bravo!   
Renate Meijer
Feb 16, 2001, 12:37:53
 
>>Tell a lie enough times and people wil ...   Re: Right On!   
Dom
Feb 16, 2001, 13:07:04
 
>     Perhaps it is time to start fighti ...   Re: Are we taking the wrong tack?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 13:20:22
 
I think it's time to get definitive  ...   Open Source   
Myddrin
Feb 16, 2001, 13:29:32
 
Strange how the digital revolution sets  ...   American Communism vs. Russian freedom.   
Arend Lammertink
Feb 16, 2001, 13:32:14
 
I think that MS is to compare with commu ...   Microsoft != Communism!   
Whistler DarkEye
Feb 16, 2001, 13:52:33
 
"Turn in your RedHat 7 box and well _giv ...   Re: not yet serious?   
Janne
Feb 16, 2001, 14:13:26
 
I agree. The OSS community needs to weig ...   Re: Are we taking the wrong tack?   
John
Feb 16, 2001, 14:43:18
 
I'll keep saying this until someone  ...   In Big Blue we trust   
Dave
Feb 16, 2001, 14:46:45
 
The GPL specifically forbids this, but t ...   You're forgetting something   
Dave
Feb 16, 2001, 14:53:50
 
Well, if linux had decent WYSIWYG and mo ...   Microsoft/Linux fight too death (microsoft shouldn   
simon canning
Feb 16, 2001, 15:11:14
 
Great Article...You nicely neutralized t ...   Excellent Article Paul!!   
MadDogTMC
Feb 16, 2001, 15:11:57
 

  Is it just me, or is it the case tha ...   MS Execs & their idiocy   
JCA
Feb 16, 2001, 15:36:47
 
Allchin's logic is OK, his premise i ...   his logic is ok   
Richard Sevenich
Feb 16, 2001, 15:40:42
 
Allchin's logic is OK, his premise i ...   his logic is ok   
Richard Sevenich
Feb 16, 2001, 15:47:50
 
>   Is it just me, or is it the case tha ...   Re: MS Execs & their idiocy   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 15:48:44
 
> Until the release of Win 95, MSFT had  ...   Re: Microsoft using Open Source Code   
Lee Reynolds
Feb 16, 2001, 15:49:52
 
> Waaaaah! Mommy, Linux is hurting Win2k ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
Tim
Feb 16, 2001, 15:56:02
 
1) MS is really screaming. This means th ...   Some considerations...   
Alessandro Coppo
Feb 16, 2001, 15:58:07
 
He said that free software impedes innov ...   Alchin may be right   
Dkite
Feb 16, 2001, 16:04:25
 
I would have liked to say some choice wo ...   much needed response   
Matt Kersten
Feb 16, 2001, 16:28:35
 
If Linux is a threat to innovation, then ...   Threat to Innovation? Well, It causes baldness   
Grey
Feb 16, 2001, 16:35:19
 
  Why would MS care about the actions of ...   Why, Microsoft?   
Donald Vaughn
Feb 16, 2001, 16:40:39
 
Actually, I lose a lot more hair at work ...   Re: Threat to Innovation? Well, It causes bald   
Slack User
Feb 16, 2001, 17:08:47
 
1) Open Source Software (OSS) takes noth ...   Why Linux is not Comunism   
nobody
Feb 16, 2001, 17:23:57
 
``* Resulting systems are generi ...   Re: Re: Linux and communism   
Richard N. Turner
Feb 16, 2001, 17:33:14
 
I bow before you, Paul Ferris, for makin ...   W.O.W.   
Fernando Ssanchez, Jr.
Feb 16, 2001, 17:37:18
 
> Ever since I started using Linux, I ha ...   Re: Threat to Innovation? Well, It causes bald   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 17:38:55
 
Makes me want to go out and buy more cop ...   out of the park....   
Ray
Feb 16, 2001, 18:21:32
 
> This is still the phoney war. Just wai ...   Re: not yet serious?   
Rufus Polson
Feb 16, 2001, 18:22:08
 
> They can FUD and market all they want, ...   Re: In Big Blue we trust   
Bill D
Feb 16, 2001, 18:25:55
 
Deep breaths...one...two...three... :)
 ...   take a deep breath paul :)   
Michael Meffie
Feb 16, 2001, 18:48:01
 
> I don't think they're idiots a ...   Re: Re: MS Execs & their idiocy   
JCA
Feb 16, 2001, 18:48:32
 
Well stated Dean!

If the exec's a ...   Re: Re: MS Execs & their idiocy   
tc
Feb 16, 2001, 18:49:48
 
What's wrong with that?  Get the fre ...   Re: not yet serious?   
Lee
Feb 16, 2001, 19:11:10
 
You've got it backwards. This is a g ...   Re: Re: Microsoft using Open Source Code   
David Johnson
Feb 16, 2001, 19:24:58
 
> 	Maybe they are just getting so scared ...   Re: Re: Re: MS Execs & their idiocy   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 19:46:23
 
"On the other hand, Microsoft's prin ...   Microsoft==Fascism, not Communism...   
Richard Fortuna
Feb 16, 2001, 19:53:55
 
> He said that free software impedes inn ...   Re: Alchin may be right   
Flash
Feb 16, 2001, 19:54:33
 
Last 3 weeks we read lots of M$ FUD...
 ...   Well Done Paul   
Sancar Saran
Feb 16, 2001, 19:57:23
 
> If Linux is a threat to innovation, th ...   Re: Threat to Innovation? Well, It causes bald   
Flash
Feb 16, 2001, 20:02:15
 
Joe McCarthy was a Democrat (senior sena ...   Re: Un-American activities   
Jeff
Feb 16, 2001, 20:16:22
 
"you want unamerican? try compultion. fo ...   Re: Re: Linux IS Un-American   
reaperx1
Feb 16, 2001, 20:22:00
 
That "?" was supposed to be an em-dash ( ...   Now I feel silly   
ashnazg
Feb 16, 2001, 20:24:11
 
> Joe McCarthy was a Democrat (senior se ...   Re: Re: Un-American activities   
Michael Kerpan
Feb 16, 2001, 21:02:22
 
It's Unamerican to Steal
It's U ...   Re: Re: Re: Linux IS Un-American   
Samuel D. Taylor
Feb 16, 2001, 21:08:48
 
No he was a Republican, from Wisconsin.
 ...   Re: Re: Un-American activities   
Samuel D. Taylor
Feb 16, 2001, 21:22:42
 
Ummm... I decided to check my newly inst ...   On W2K too! Re: Microsoft using Open Source Code   
Jerry Kreps
Feb 16, 2001, 21:31:32
 
Brett Schulte wrote: 
 > Thanks for the ...   Some correspondence ....   
Paul Ferris
Feb 16, 2001, 22:14:11
 
who payed? ...   Re: Bill Gates as Next US President -- next presid   
nick
Feb 16, 2001, 22:16:51
 
Brett Schulte wrote: 

  Paul you agai ...   And more :)   
Paul Ferris
Feb 16, 2001, 22:22:12
 
> This must be the 'innovation'  ...   Re: On W2K too! Re: Microsoft using Open Source   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 22:37:51
 
Paul, Paul, Paul.  Poor, sweet, naive an ...   Re: And more :)   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 16, 2001, 22:42:46
 
Well said. ...   Re: Linux IS Un-American   
Some Guy
Feb 16, 2001, 23:12:47
 
> Don't you know we're all spike ...   Re: And more :)   
llywrch
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>     It's impossible for a business ...   Re: And more :)   
Flash
Feb 17, 2001, 00:16:38
 
and I agree too

un-american is not an ...   Re: Linux IS Un-American   
jay
Feb 17, 2001, 00:28:55
 
> Dean, how can that be the case when we ...   Re: Re: And more :)   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 17, 2001, 00:32:13
 
I think Nirvana had some kind of insight ...   Nirvana said it best..   
Andrew Bourdon
Feb 17, 2001, 04:43:07
 
UNIX and the free software concepts are  ...   Linux is Un-American   
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> The principles of Open Source are that ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
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I've read the article above and I&#3 ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
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>Sounds like the American Ideal to me. O ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
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Not worried at all about Linux hurting W ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
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Well, same as the subject, what do you p ...   What do you all think about Macs?   
yourname
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Heu?

I can understand you like Linux  ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
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So reading all this, does anybody know w ...   The desktop stupid.   
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> Well, same as the subject, what do you ...   Re: What do you all think about Macs?   
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> So reading all this, does anybody know ...   Re: The desktop stupid.   
Paul Ferris
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Sometimes when American's say 'c ...   Linux != Communism && M$ != Communism   
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Any short description of what Marx was a ...   Re: Re: Microsoft == Communism   
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Sorry John Paul, but I think you're  ...   Re: Linux IS Un-American   
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Lets face it YOU CAN'T WIN, JUST GIV ...   YOU WILL FAIL   
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Yes Harvey, you are absolutely right. Ho ...   Re: Windows 95 is crummy according to M$   
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Hmm, I wonder if, since Microsoft admits ...   Re: Re: Windows 95 is crummy according to M$   
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> Well, same as the subject, what do you ...   Re: What do you all think about Macs?   
WdLvW
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Hi,

You are completely right! Bill Ga ...   Re: Microsoft == Communism   
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I'd be very careful about what terms ...   Re: Linux IS Un-American   
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I just had to illuminate this a bit, as  ...   Re: Re: Linux and communism   
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> Actually TCP/IP is available for Win ...   Re: Re: Microsoft using Open Source Code   
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Whatever Microsoft has done (or not done ...   My two cents worth   
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Not based on what is in the customers be ...   msft boardroom making coding decisions   
thebestthingsinlifearefree
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Its unfornate that Microsoft does not li ...   Medium Business choose Linux   
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For the record I am E mailing this from  ...   Linux V Microsoft (win2000 et al)   
John Pollard
May 14, 2001, 02:46:04
 
While Win4Lin and Wine work for standard ...   Re: Re: The desktop stupid.   
HuwE
May 23, 2001, 22:01:11
 
Yes, M$ is quite weak, now. No, they are ...   M$ tactics work. Let's be smart !   
Alois
Jun 12, 2001, 06:22:58
 
Help me. there is something I just don&# ...   M$ Mgmt lacking sense of reality. So do we.   
Alois
Jun 12, 2001, 06:51:30
 
A lot of people, presumably based on the ...   Misunderstanding of communism, perhaps?   
Adrian Jackson
Jul 20, 2001, 10:31:44
 
Linux = Communism. I agree. Read these a ...   Re: Re: RE: Linux == Communism   
Linux-Communism
Nov 10, 2004, 02:39:16
 
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