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:Ending Microsoft FUD: An Interview with Peruvian Congressman Villanueva
Ending Microsoft FUD: An Interview with Peruvian Congressman Villanueva
May 21, 2002, 00 :24 UTC (86 Talkback[s]) (91103 reads)

(Other stories by Dee-Ann LeBlanc)

Dee-Ann LeBlanc, Linux Today and Stacey Tipton, Spanish.com

[ Linux Today expresses its thanks to Spanish.com, which provided professional translation services in the course of this interview. A Spanish version of this story can be found at Pimiento Linux. -ed.]

In the course of everyday business and politics, once in a while something truly significant happens. At such a time, ordinary letters become roadmaps for change, and a politician from a small mountain province in Perú can become a hero to those who believe in a cause: both amongst his countrymen and around the rest of the world.

On March 21, 2002, the General Manager of Microsoft Perú, Juan Alberto González, wrote a letter to Peruvian Congressman Dr. Edgar David Villanueva Nuñez regarding an issue near and dear to Microsoft's heart--or perhaps more appropriately, an issue that had the powers at Microsoft rolling their eyes in disbelief. The now infamous letter expressed Microsoft's concerns about Bill Number 1609, Free Software in Public Administration, which is currently under discussion in Perú's political and intellectual circles.

When reading the Microsoft letter in its original or translated form, most open source advocates can easily note that it's full of the usual Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) tactics used throughout time by big business to keep people afraid of going with anything but their big solution. No surprise there. However, try as advocates might, no one has been able to clearly and succinctly explain why many of Microsoft's and other companies' assertions were incorrect... until now.

Peruvian Congressman Villanueva's reply, written on April 8, 2002, has raised him practically to folk hero status amongst the open source community almost overnight. With eloquence and a strong attention to fact and detail, this letter manages to point by point rebut the many incorrect and even conflicting assertions made by González. Dr. Villanueva uses a matter-of-fact approach that simply tells it like it is, and is difficult to argue with--especially since the letter contains a reminder of Microsoft's own conviction of software piracy in France in 2001, which had until now escaped the attention of the North American press.

Reactions to Congressman Villanueva's letter are appearing far and wide, as well as speculation about whether the letter is real or not. Linux Today tracked down the story behind the letters, and took a look at how open source has captured mainstream attention in Perú.

A Bit of History

Villanueva has been aware of open source software and its benefits for almost six years. When he was mayor of Andahuaylas, a small province in south-central Perú, he wanted to modernize the computer systems used by the municipalities. He quickly discovered that purchasing enough licenses from international computer companies was simply not possible within the economic limitations of Perú's economy. Even worse, licenses expire, and if one cannot afford the initial licenses, then renewing them every one or two years is certainly not realistic.

Rather than stopping there, Villanueva began researching alternatives. It didn't take long to come across the open source and free software movements. The more he learned about these movements, the more he thought that "people with limited resources but surely with a lot of intelligence and capability," would benefit from focusing their energies in this direction.

And the benefits aren't limited to the initial setup and use, he discovered. Later on, as platforms and programs need to be updated or altered, his own citizens could do the work rather than paying for another round of licenses for an upgrade or new version.

Peruvian Bill Number 1609, Free Software in Public Administration

Villanueva was actually involved in creating Bill Number 1609 before being elected (in August 2001) to the Peruvian Congress to represent the area of Apurimac--a small region in south-central Perú containing seven provinces, including Andahuaylas. Once elected, he began working with his advisors on ways to expand Perú's technological base and draw youth into technology fields: something Villanueva sees as key to Perú's future economic growth. This work led to Bill Number 1609, which was presented before the Peruvian Congress in November 2001.

In summary, this Bill states that all areas of the Peruvian government would be required to make use of open source software (with the term strictly defined within the bill) except in specific cases where a mature enough open source project is not available. The Bill only affects the government's systems and does not restrict commercial entities from participating, as long as the software they offer is open source--or for educational institutions that may require some particular proprietary software for research or other purposes. All other institutions, companies, and so on within Perú could still purchase whatever software they please.

The largest barrier Villanueva has faced was broadening awareness of the problem he's trying to address. As with many aspects of open source, the answer to this need has come in the form of grass roots efforts. Early in Linux history, university students were the people most aware of the upstart operating system and its benefits. The same is proving true in Perú now. According to Villanueva, Peruvian university students hear about Bill Number 1609, and in turn speak to their parents, relatives, and friends, thus speading the word. It does not hurt that some of these people happen to be Peruvian Congressmen or other officials.

Once they heard more about Bill 1609, Peruvian Congressmen and other officials came to Villanueva to ask for invitations to his next talk on the subject, often at their children's request, thus setting up a growing cycle of knowledge about open source and its benefits. Adding further to the university push is the largest technical university in Perú, the Universidad Nacional de Ingeniería (National University of Engineering). On February 14, 2002, this respected Peruvian institution added its own hefty voice in support of the initiative--something Villanueva takes as a source of pride.

Not that all is a bed of roses, of course. Microsoft Perú is, naturally, quite against any legislation that requires that an open source solution be chosen for government use. Villanueva points out that there are also various politicians in Perú who disagree on a variety of points in the Bill, either from their close ties to Microsoft or other proprietary software companies, or perhaps simply from the all too human fear of charting the unknown.

It's the politicians' concerns that Villanueva is working hard to soothe. After all, he stated, Perú cannot allow special interest groups--economic or otherwise--to prevent it from adopting a law that the people and government want, and that he honestly feels will help in both Perú's economic conditions and security of the state.

Writing the Letter

Villanueva was expecting the letter from Juan Alberto González, General Manager of Microsoft Perú. In fact, he'd requested it. As with any attempt to bring something new into law, the Peruvian Congressman had held meeting after meeting with institutes, organizations, corporations, and anyone else who has had an interest in seeing the Bill succeed as is or seeing changes made to it.

During this series of meetings, Villanueva repeatedly spoke with people from Microsoft. "They have come to give us a series of suggestions, and have given their opinions to us. We have received them, as I'll say again, democratically, and even more, waiting for them to convince us otherwise ... that is to say, if they could convince us that our bill was wrong," Villanueva said.

However, during the meetings the Peruvian Congressman and his associates did not feel swayed.

In order to further the process and ensure that all of the issues had been properly thought out, Villanueva requested that Microsoft Perú submit their observations, arguments, and concerns, in writing. However, as many have already seen, the written version was no more convincing than the spoken arguments.

Villanueva is, however, ultimately a lawyer rather than a computer expert. While he penned his now famous reply letter himself, he also had a team of technical experts checking every little fact to ensure that his technical points were as solid as both his legal and political points. Thus, his letter was both eloquent and full of solid information, which at the very least forced people to think before they attempt to rebut its points.

Reactions and Fallout

Villanueva knew that taking on Microsoft Perú was quite a step, but did not expect the reaction he's received from the open source community. "I [have] receive[d] tons of letters from various parts of the world. I am extremely surprised," he said when I asked about the level of reaction he's garnered from outside of Perú. His support amongst his fellow Peruvian congressmen continues to grow, and there is even an alternative Bill on the floor from the Vice President of the consumer protection commission--and this second Bill also has Dr. Villanueva's signature.

The Congressman is getting more and more caught up with the open source and free software movements as time goes by. Villanueva was once invited to an event in Columbia where he was to meet with the Free Software Foundation's Richard Stallman, and to his great disappointment this event had to be cancelled. He added as an aside that he hopes to meet Stallman at another international event--and hinted that perhaps someone over at the FSF might pass along the open invitation.

In the meantime, Villanueva and his supporters feel that the Bill Number 1609 may only be months away from approval. The Bill's chance of succeeding grows as international momentum builds behind them. That momentum can certainly help, Villanueva added, as those within Perú and without can help by writing articulate letters to any number of agencies in Perú, including Congressmen, the Commission of Education, and the Consumer Protection Commission, on both the freedoms of open source and the practical nature of how the Bill might benefit Perú, its government, its people, and its technology industry.

Perú's youth continue to approach Villanueva, offering to march in support of the Bill: "It is the youth that needs to drive its creativity, its intelligence, its intellect ... there are many young people that can create their own employment through [the use] of free software."

Now this humble Peruvian Congressman from the Andes, "armed with only his sense of reason, or at least with the truth," finds himself being invited to run for office from Argentina to Miami because of a single letter he wrote to a single person at a single corporation in defense of a single Bill.

When asked if there was anything he would like to add, Villanueva showed beyond the shadow of a doubt that he was the author of the letter: "I'd like to say to the people who are interested in free software, and also [those interested in] proprietary software, that really we should have a market economy; but a market economy where it isn't ruled by monopolies or 'Leo-polies'--where you don't have a situation where one guy is the Lion and leaves the Rat role for the others. So, that it [is] open, that it [is] democratic, that there [is] real competition, and that above all people are allowed to participate in technology. This is what I'm interested in, the philosophy that drives me, and as I've mentioned, I am a person that sees the enormous need for the youth to be brought closer to technology."

Related Links:

Congress of Perú
http://www.congreso.gob.pe/

Ministry of Education (Ministerio de Education)
http://www.minedu.gob.pe/

Consumer Protection Commission (Defensa del Consumidor y Organismo Reguladores de los Servicios Públicos)
http://www.congreso.gob.pe/organizacion/comisiones.asp

Related Stories:
GNU.org.pe: Peruvian Congressman's Open Letter to Microsoft(May 07, 2002)
The Register: MS in Peruvian Open-Source Nightmare(May 06, 2002)
Wired News: Peru Discovers Machu Penguin(Apr 23, 2002)


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his letter should be the letterhead (ima ...   This guy is AWESOME !!!   
yuri vil
May 20, 2002, 16:15:01
 
`in defense of a single Bill'!Ne ...   accidental humor   
Wendell Cochran
May 20, 2002, 16:24:18
 
Great interview!Just take a look at this ...   Aguante Villanueva!   
gustaw
May 20, 2002, 16:40:48
 
It never ceases to amaze me how open-sou ...   IT snobs   
justme
May 20, 2002, 16:41:22
 
At a time when computer technology is be ...   Independence for the people of Peru   
Johan Ebert
May 20, 2002, 16:52:00
 
Now, what are we going to do if Villanue ...   Reminiscences of anxieties past   
-bertox
May 20, 2002, 17:12:16
 
> It never ceases to amaze me how open-s ...   Re: IT snobs   
James
May 20, 2002, 17:24:27
 
This letter and series of events should  ...   An example to be followed   
Amazing Iceman
May 20, 2002, 17:34:05
 
Well, if that is the case, then why are  ...   Re: IT snobs   
Sauron
May 20, 2002, 17:42:58
 
> Dr. Villanueva was (and is) brave enou ...   Re: An example to be followed   
Richi
May 20, 2002, 17:54:23
 
When this story broke. A lot of people m ...   Write YOUR elected reps -- now!   
BFranklin
May 20, 2002, 18:00:41
 
Hold on here buckwheat!  Some of us aren ...   Re: IT snobs   
Joe User
May 20, 2002, 18:49:12
 
That's right!and the spanish version ...   Eso es Villanueva !   
Latino
May 20, 2002, 19:05:16
 
It is a breath of fresh air to see that  ...   Spanish - French - Italian Translations   
Daniel Knight
May 20, 2002, 19:21:15
 
Does anyone have the email address for D ...   Contact address?   
ac
May 20, 2002, 19:36:32
 
> Does anyone have the email address for ...   Re: Contact address?   
Brian Proffitt
May 20, 2002, 19:44:59
 
I think this is awesome. Dr. V just happ ...   Can others learn?   
MadDogTMC
May 20, 2002, 19:47:46
 
> It never ceases to amaze me how open-s ...   Re: IT snobs   
Paul Tatham
May 20, 2002, 19:51:35
 
Is anyone else waiting for the US to com ...   Waiting for the Other Shoe   
Dale Pontius
May 20, 2002, 20:14:58
 
"justme" claims:"It never ceases to amaz ...   Re: IT snobs   
Joel Sloan
May 20, 2002, 22:09:01
 
> Is anyone else waiting for the US to c ...   Re: Waiting for the Other Shoe   
bob
May 20, 2002, 22:54:21
 
>If all of this is not due to outright i ...   Re: Re: IT snobs   
chemicalscum
May 20, 2002, 22:59:09
 
Interesting article, but maybe I'm b ...   Where's the Meat -- I mean the letter?   
Robert Wersan
May 20, 2002, 23:19:56
 
All the documents, available in several  ...   Re: Where's the Meat -- I mean the letter?   
Breno Colom
May 21, 2002, 00:34:58
 
> Just because ya'll know perl doesn ...   Re: IT snobs - well red?   
Leon Brooks
May 21, 2002, 01:56:17
 
> Greed and corruption  (George W. Bush  ...   Re: Re: Re: IT snobs   
David
May 21, 2002, 02:27:15
 
We need more people like him.  ...   He is a hero!   
Denis Rochess
May 21, 2002, 03:30:46
 
I have a copy on my site...  ...   RE: Where The Mean -- I mean the letter?   
Tyler Regas
May 21, 2002, 03:35:38
 
somebody in our LUG did and to my knowle ...   Re: Write YOUR elected reps -- now!   
ramfree17
May 21, 2002, 04:48:48
 
Don't antagonize him, he might get " ...   Re: Re: IT snobs - well red?   
Corp Geek
May 21, 2002, 05:47:21
 
He uses the term "Software Libre" many t ...   Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Tracy Reed
May 21, 2002, 06:37:42
 
Some people would vote party lines even  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: IT snobs   
otto deathsquad reich
May 21, 2002, 08:17:39
 
Let me clear that up- (I was the transla ...   Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Stacey Tipton
May 21, 2002, 14:02:55
 
Regardless of being easier to say in you ...   Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Jason Woodward
May 21, 2002, 14:33:08
 
Check out the Open Data Foundation athtt ...   Re: An example to be followed   
Simon Hill
May 21, 2002, 14:41:30
 
We had hoped to have more development do ...   Re: Write YOUR elected reps -- now!   
Simon Hill
May 21, 2002, 14:44:58
 
 Let me clear that up- (I was the transl ...   Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
mobydobius
May 21, 2002, 15:02:21
 
Babelfish translates Libre as "it frees" ...   Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said Libre Software!!   
Rascalson
May 21, 2002, 15:22:15
 
Babelfish translates Libre as "it frees" ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said Libre Software!!   
mobydobius
May 21, 2002, 15:36:29
 
> Babelfish translates Libre as "it free ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said Libre Software!!   
Volker Hett
May 21, 2002, 15:49:44
 
Libre means free as in not slave, it nev ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said Libre Software!!   
Gustaw
May 21, 2002, 15:52:08
 
> Is anyone else waiting for the US to c ...   Re: Waiting for the Other Shoe   
Paulo Sequeira
May 21, 2002, 15:53:01
 
Actually, in a lot of cases it does. I k ...   Re: IT snobs   
wanker
May 21, 2002, 15:57:51
 
> >If all of this is not due to outright ...   Re: Re: Re: IT snobs   
A Conservative
May 21, 2002, 16:00:20
 
> Babelfish translates Libre as "it free ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said Libre Software!!   
Rufus Polson
May 21, 2002, 16:01:32
 
> He uses the term "Software Libre" many ...   Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Paulo Sequeira
May 21, 2002, 16:30:18
 
Stacey Tipton wrote:> ... they interchan ...   Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Paulo Sequeira
May 21, 2002, 17:10:20
 
as in our recent sanctions against Ukrai ...   Re: Re: Waiting for the Other Shoe   
Alsee
May 21, 2002, 17:30:14
 
> The Democratic party loves to push iss ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: IT snobs   
inimicus
May 21, 2002, 17:57:00
 
such as this man. But in the US, lobbyis ...   Wish we had intelligent leaders   
Res Ipsa
May 21, 2002, 18:21:16
 
>  Let me clear that up- (I was the tran ...   Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
ijcl
May 21, 2002, 18:36:04
 
Ok guys let me clear this up once and fo ...   Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Stacey Tipton
May 21, 2002, 18:46:52
 
> It never ceases to amaze me how open-s ...   Re: IT snobs   
An Old User
May 21, 2002, 18:53:00
 
The Proposaition 1609 (i.e., the propose ...   Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Cinabrium
May 21, 2002, 21:28:00
 
>  Homepage: http://www.congreso.gob.pe/ ...   Re: Re: Contact address?   
Attila Mate
May 22, 2002, 00:00:32
 
Geez, why can't people get it right? ...   COLOMBIA not COLUMBIA   
John Rothlisberger
May 22, 2002, 00:51:27
 
> I, for one, think GW takes a more bala ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: IT snobs   
Thelonious
May 22, 2002, 03:38:57
 
> Ok guys let me clear this up once and  ...   Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
David Anderson
May 22, 2002, 04:01:14
 
Hola David,The "como dicen ustedes" woul ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Stacey Tipton
May 22, 2002, 19:44:47
 
you are lol ;) Yep thats him =)  ...   Re: This guy is AWESOME !!!   
NaviK
May 23, 2002, 07:56:49
 
>To address the social, not legal or tec ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: IT snobs   
Tim
May 23, 2002, 15:10:13
 
Hey M$ should get OJ to advertize for th ...   M$ Advertizing   
Larry
May 23, 2002, 18:19:15
 
Whether it's a politician who "get&# ...   Re: Re: IT snobs   
Paul Hubert
May 23, 2002, 20:17:20
 
Linux para el Peru en este momento, es l ...   Vamos Peru !!!!   
Renzo Portocarrero
May 24, 2002, 20:42:25
 
If only the Australian Government could  ...   Viva Liberty!   
Stephen Piuk
May 27, 2002, 07:26:32
 
Finally, someone with some friggin'  ...   My My   
Ajou
May 31, 2002, 11:01:58
 
To supplement read the last section of t ...   Re: IT snobs - well red?   
Hans Christian Studt
Jun 2, 2002, 13:09:59
 
http://home13.inet.tele.dk/hcstudt/linux ...   This article in Danish   
Hans Christian Studt
Jun 2, 2002, 15:08:56
 
I have lived and worked in Spain for som ...   Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
al
Jun 3, 2002, 09:31:17
 
He is not right. "Libre" does not transl ...   Re: Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Al
Jun 3, 2002, 09:53:09
 
Not quite right Rufus, when you say "lib ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Villaneuva said Libre Software   
Alejandro
Jun 4, 2002, 02:41:19
 
Taiwan is reportedly considering similar ...   Taiwan may be next!   
RWINN
Jun 5, 2002, 05:08:16
 
And exactly how does euthanasia fit into ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IT snobs   
KenA
Jun 5, 2002, 18:57:41
 
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts  ...   Re: Re: Re: Waiting for the Other Shoe   
Dan J
Jun 5, 2002, 22:05:41
 
We did get DMCA and UCITA. Guess who&#39 ...   Re: Wish we had intelligent leaders   
DanJ
Jun 5, 2002, 22:19:50
 
This guy is truly awesome.If only we in  ...   Truly awesome   
John Thorn
Jun 19, 2002, 11:34:25
 
On the same line, I believe it is intere ...   Re: Extremadura example   
Nicolás Suárez
Jun 27, 2002, 00:20:36
 
A man of vision obviously  ...   peru   
m.mcmanis
Jun 29, 2002, 03:57:51
 
i wanted we had one such congresmen in B ...   Bulgarian goverment paid $13 000 000 for MS Softwa   
raptor
Jun 30, 2002, 16:22:25
 
I sure do hope that the bill passes. It  ...   I hope the bill passes   
Jason Sjobeck
Jul 13, 2002, 19:17:02
 
As of today, the Venezuelan Government i ...   Venezuela went Open Source today...   
Anonymous Coward
Aug 29, 2002, 02:21:20
 
How low can a company like M$ stoop for  ...   fleecing Bulgaria   
lucky player
Sep 5, 2002, 23:25:24
 
I guess some politicians are overlooking ...   Re: Re: Re: IT snobs - well red?   
Mario Miyojim
Jan 7, 2003, 16:38:24
 
But he defines very clearly what "Softwa ...   Re: Villaneuva said FREE SOFTWARE!   
Miguel Pastor
Jan 20, 2003, 17:59:30
 
Time for an update?  ...   Peru   
akm
May 26, 2003, 09:31:12
 
I agree, it's not just offensive for ...   COLOMBIA not COLUMBIA   
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Oct 6, 2004, 14:30:02
 
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