Linux Today: Linux News On Internet Time.
Search Linux Today
search.internet.com
Linux News Sections:  Blog -  Developer -  High Performance -  Infrastructure -  IT Management -  Security -  Storage -
Linux Today Navigation
LT Home
Preferences
Contribute
Link to Us
Search
Linux Jobs

Become a Marketplace Partner

internet.commerce
Be a Commerce Partner














The Linux Channel at internet.com
Linux Today
Enterprise Linux Today
Apache Today
JustLinux.com
Linux Planet
PHPBuilder
All Linux Devices
Technology Jobs

JustTechJobs.com

LinuxToday Newsletters
Subscribe News
Subscribe PR
Subscribe Security

internet.com
IT
Developer
Internet News
Small Business
Personal Technology

Search internet.com
Advertise
Corporate Info
Newsletters
Tech Jobs
E-mail Offers

 







Current Newswire:

Dell Ubuntu Order Experience

Power Up Linux GUI Apps

Ksplice debuts zero downtime service for Linux

BM Ups Its Processor Power to 7

KDE.org Relaunched for Software Compilation 4.4

The application is the new the operating system

Linux can compete with the iPad on price, but where’s the magic?

The Bruno Knaapen Technology Learning Center is Established

Anjal: GNOME's Evolution for Netbooks

Linux Mint 8 KDE Community Edition




UNIX Systems Administrator (IL)
Next Step Systems
US-IL-Chicago

Justtechjobs.com Post A Job | Post A Resume
:Open Invitation to Mono Proponents to Set the Record Straight
Open Invitation to Mono Proponents to Set the Record Straight
Jun 11, 2009, 14 :46 UTC (54 Talkback[s]) (10539 reads)

(Other stories by Carla Schroder)

Ubuntu Is Driving Me Away struck some nerves yesterday, with 43 talkbacks and still going. The issue presented in the article seems fairly simple: given the controversy surrounding Mono, some folks feel that Mono and Mono applications should not be included on the Ubuntu installation CD. There are other, better applications that could be included, and that the pressure to include Mono by default is not about its merits, but forcing Microsoft technologies and its unholy embrace into Ubuntu.

Mono fans have been creating a giant ruckus in the Ubuntu forums, and even here have made some fur fly, and have not bothered to say why removing Mono from the Ubuntu installation CD and simply including it in the standard repos is not acceptable. It will be available for anyone who wants it, just like the majority of Ubuntu packages. The inability of Mono fans to answer that simple question has me a bit bothered, as though there is a deeper agenda.

Rather, the discussion here has been primarily about why Mono is not a threat to Linux, after all it is GPL, and nobody should be upset by it. As discussions tend to be fractured, wandering, and emotional, I think that a calm presentation of why Mono is desirable, why it is not a threat, and why it should be included in Ubuntu by default would be beneficial. Write it up, plain text with simple HTML tags for paragraph and line breaks, and email it to me at cschroder@internet.com and I will publish it as soon as I receive it. Say anything you want, keeping in mind of course the LT TOS, which in a nutshell is no swear words and no personal attacks.

I extended this same invitation in the Talkbacks yesterday and so far have no takers. Comments do get overlooked in long threads, so here it is again out in plain view. Thank you, and I look forward to seeing what people have to say.

Related Stories:
Disinformation Disinfected, pt. 3: Banshee in Ubuntu(Jun 10, 2009)
Ubuntu Is Driving Me Away(Jun 10, 2009)
PhyreEngine, Mono, cool Mono uses in Gaming, and more.(Jun 09, 2009)
Ubuntu is Censoring Opposition to Mono by Default(Jun 08, 2009)
Evolution -- The Default Email Client for Ubuntu(Jun 07, 2009)
Fedora casts Mono into outer darkness(Jun 04, 2009)
How GNU/Linux users can keep Mono at bay(Jun 01, 2009)
The elusive, royalty-free patent licence for Mono(May 26, 2009)
The Mono Crusade(May 19, 2009)
Tomboy, Gnote, and the limits of forks(May 15, 2009)
Novell Moonlight 2.0 previews Silverlight on Linux(May 06, 2009)
First Moonlight 2.0 Preview is Out(May 05, 2009)
Open-source misperceptions live on(Apr 22, 2009)
ASP.Net Ajax in Mono(Apr 14, 2009)
10 Individuals who have contributed the most to FOSS(Apr 13, 2009)
Novell's Mono Gets Faster and More Visual(Mar 31, 2009)
CoyoteLinux uses Mono for syadmin tools(Feb 23, 2009)
Mono Wins Product of the Year Award(Feb 13, 2009)


Index Mode   |   Flat Mode   |   Thread Mode   |   Thread Flat  
  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
I'm planning to do another (differen ...   Nice attempt Carla.   
tacone
Jun 11, 2009, 16:02:38
 
The argument to not remove Mono is simpl ...   FUD in our own community   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 16:36:35
 
I believe the Mono developers are proud  ...   not GPL, patents   
phred14
Jun 11, 2009, 16:43:59
 
Patents can negatively affect every piec ...   Re: Nice attempt Carla.   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 16:48:27
 
Microsoft could fix all of this by makin ...   Re: FUD in our own community   
Imric
Jun 11, 2009, 17:12:51
 
As far as I can see the Mono proponents  ...   A fork on the road   
Restless
Jun 11, 2009, 17:13:08
 
This is pretty much the useless argument ...   Re: FUD in our own community   
Segedunum
Jun 11, 2009, 17:58:49
 
> I believe the Mono developers are prou ...   Re: not GPL, patents   
Chris Morgan
Jun 11, 2009, 18:03:54
 
> Microsoft could fix all of this by mak ...   Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Chris Morgan
Jun 11, 2009, 18:09:42
 
Patents can negatively affect every piec ...   Re: Re: Nice attempt Carla.   
Segedunum
Jun 11, 2009, 18:12:18
 
I love your final comment and your right ...   Re: FUD in our own community   
Dave
Jun 11, 2009, 18:17:50
 
Again and again in the discussions of .N ...   The nature of opinion   
Rufus Polson
Jun 11, 2009, 18:20:47
 
Restless said: If the "I do not care abo ...   No escape from Mono in KDE   
Richard Dale
Jun 11, 2009, 18:51:34
 
> and Miguel de Icaza has made it clear  ...   Re: The nature of opinion   
AMonoGuy
Jun 11, 2009, 19:17:04
 
Please see this article as to why there  ...   Why it is a problem   
sr
Jun 11, 2009, 19:54:27
 
There is uncertainty regarding to the EC ...   Status: (?)   
Vadim
Jun 11, 2009, 20:04:43
 
I believe what you are saying is very ra ...   Re: No escape from Mono in KDE   
Fred Williams
Jun 11, 2009, 20:20:06
 
>Microsoft could fix all of this by maki ...   Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 20:21:57
 
Read Carla's article.  She said she  ...   You commenter's do not get it!   
Fred Williams
Jun 11, 2009, 20:34:16
 
> I believe what you are saying is very  ...   Re: Re: No escape from Mono in KDE   
auser
Jun 11, 2009, 20:48:12
 
> This is pretty much the useless argume ...   Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 21:00:21
 
> Come on now. Do you really think that  ...   Re: Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 21:06:29
 
> Read Carla's article.  She said sh ...   Re: You commenter's do not get it!   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 21:15:09
 
> I'd ask that you cite an enforceab ...   Re: Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Restless
Jun 11, 2009, 21:18:00
 
What?  Developers who want to develop in ...   auser: not even close to good answer   
Fred Williams
Jun 11, 2009, 21:24:26
 
> Patents can negatively affect every pi ...   Re: Re: Re: Nice attempt Carla.   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 21:29:39
 
 Microsoft could fix all of this by maki ...   Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Bernard Swiss
Jun 11, 2009, 21:33:49
 
>We've been trying for years to offs ...   Re: FUD in our own community   
Rufus Polson
Jun 11, 2009, 21:41:35
 
>  Microsoft could fix all of this by ma ...   Re: Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Rufus Polson
Jun 11, 2009, 21:53:45
 
That is an entirely separate issue, logi ...   Re: Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Segedunum
Jun 11, 2009, 22:10:22
 
> Again and again in the discussions of  ...   Re: The nature of opinion   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 11, 2009, 22:15:55
 
 What?  Developers who want to develop i ...   Re: auser: not even close to good answer   
auser
Jun 11, 2009, 22:53:09
 
Every time I see this topic come up, I s ...   Is it just me?   
Bernard Swiss
Jun 11, 2009, 23:02:49
 
Mono which is an installation of Microso ...   Get Over It   
CHub
Jun 11, 2009, 23:13:21
 
> Every time I see this topic come up, I ...   Re: Is it just me?   
auser
Jun 11, 2009, 23:19:32
 
Also see ; http://www.gnu.org/software/d ...   Re: Get Over It   
CHub
Jun 11, 2009, 23:19:57
 
> > Again and again in the discussions o ...   Re: Re: The nature of opinion   
Rufus Polson
Jun 11, 2009, 23:35:58
 
Please depend on MS-controlled interface ...   Please depend on MS technology   
MS sycophant
Jun 12, 2009, 00:17:30
 
A lot of this debate seems to revolve ar ...   "Should (not) be able" versus "will (not) be able   
Bernard Swiss
Jun 12, 2009, 00:38:08
 
Agree these are the risks I see too.Micr ...   Re:   
CHub
Jun 12, 2009, 00:47:13
 
> > I'd ask that you cite an enforce ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: FUD in our own community   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 12, 2009, 01:24:10
 
> Every time I see this topic come up, I ...   Re: Is it just me?   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 12, 2009, 02:17:03
 
> Mono which is an installation of Micro ...   Re: Get Over It   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 12, 2009, 02:28:13
 
> Lock-in to our proprietary interfaces  ...   Re: Please depend on MS technology   
Michael B. Trausch
Jun 12, 2009, 02:33:12
 
"The inability of Mono fans to answer th ...   Why respond to trolls?   
aaa
Jun 12, 2009, 08:17:31
 
In regards to the argument any code migh ...   Non-answers   
Tom King
Jun 12, 2009, 15:53:31
 
You are posting a lot on this thread, an ...   Michael B. Trausch ...   
GreyGeek
Jun 12, 2009, 18:18:56
 
You are posting a lot on this thread, an ...   Michael B. Trausch ...   
GreyGeek
Jun 12, 2009, 18:32:06
 
Like I said... (Tom King has already sai ...   Re: Re: Is it just me?   
Bernard Swiss
Jun 13, 2009, 02:34:40
 
"If the Linux kernel falls under the lat ...   re: Non-answers   
aaa
Jun 13, 2009, 15:54:58
 
I don't care that much about legal i ...   Of course it is not desirable   
vexorian
Jun 15, 2009, 15:41:42
 
"so to speak, and software patents can b ...   Patent aviodance   
P. Woods
Jun 15, 2009, 18:44:26
 
It is my hope that Mono thrives.I use JE ...   Mono - What worry me?   
miamidot
Jul 1, 2009, 13:19:41
 
What a bull. Proof me it's safe to u ...   What the?   
novum
Jan 13, 2010, 18:13:44
 
  Home | Search Talkbacks | Customize View    Top of Page  



Enter your comments below:

* Your Name:

* Your Email Address:

* Subject:

CC: [will also send this talkback to an E-Mail address]

* Comments:

Tags allowed:<I>,<B> and <U>. See our talkback-policy for more about talkback content.

Fields marked with * are required!






..............................




All times are recorded in UTC.
Linux is a trademark of Linus Torvalds.
Powered by Linux, Apache and PHP


The Network for Technology Professionals

Search:

About Internet.com

Legal Notices, Licensing, Permissions, Privacy Policy.
Advertise | Newsletters | E-mail Offers