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Python-dev Summary, March 1 - 15, 2001

Mar 15, 2001, 20:30 (0 Talkback[s])
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:28:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Michael Hudson mwh21@cam.ac.uk
To: python-announce-list@python.org
Subject: python-dev summary, 2001-03-01 - 2001-03-15

This is a summary of traffic on the python-dev mailing list between Mar 1 and Mar 14 (inclusive) 2001. It is intended to inform the wider Python community of ongoing developments. To comment, just post to python-list@python.org or comp.lang.python in the usual way. Give your posting a meaningful subject line, and if it's about a PEP, include the PEP number (e.g. Subject: PEP 201 - Lockstep iteration) All python-dev members are interested in seeing ideas discussed by the community, so don't hesitate to take a stance on a PEP if you have an opinion.

This is the third python-dev summary written by Michael Hudson. Previous summaries were written by Andrew Kuchling and can be found at:

http://www.amk.ca/python/dev/

New summaries will appear at:

http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/summaries/

and will continue to be archived at Andrew's site.

Posting distribution (with apologies to mbm)

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A quiet fortnight on python-dev; the conference a week ago is responsible for some of that, but also discussion has been springing up on other mailing lists (including the types-sig, doc-sig, python-iter and stackless lists, and those are just the ones your author is subscribed to).

* Bug Fix Releases *

Aahz posted a proposal for a 2.0.1 release, fixing the bugs that have been found in 2.0 but not adding the new features.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2001-March/013389.html

Guido's response was, essentially, "Good idea, but I don't have the time to put into it", and that the wider community would have to put in some of the donkey work if this is going to happen. Signs so far are encouraging.

* Numerics *

Moshe Zadka posted three new PEP-drafts:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2001-March/013435.html

which on discussion became four new PEPs, which are not yet online (hint, hint).

The four titles are

Unifying Long Integers and Integers
Non-integer Division
Adding a Rational Type to Python
Adding a Rational Literal to Python

and they will appear fairly soon at

http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0237.html
http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0238.html
http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0239.html
http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0240.html

respectively.

Although pedantically falling slightly out of the remit of this summary, I should mention Guido's partial BDFL pronouncement:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2001-March/013587.html

A new mailing list had been setup to discuss these issues:

http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/python-numerics

* Revive the types-sig? *

Paul Prescod has single-handedly kicked the types-sig into life again.

http://mail.python.org/sigs/types-sig/

The discussion this time seems to be centered on interfaces and how to use them effectively. You never know, we might get somewhere this time!

* stackless *

Jeremy Hylton posted some comments on Gordon McMillan's new draft of the stackless PEP (PEP 219) and the stackless dev day discussion at Spam 9.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2001-March/013494.html

The discussion has mostly focussed on technical issues; there has been no comment on if or when the core Python will become stackless.

* miscellanea *

There was some discussion on nested scopes, but mainly on implementation issues. Thomas Wouters promised to sort out the "continue in finally: clause" wart.

Cheers,
M.