Where the Heck is Canossa?
Jan 18, 2008, 23:30 (8 Talkback[s])
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Somewhere, lost in all the big news about Sun buying MySQL,
Oracle buying BEA, and various and sundries, there was the news
that Mandriva and Turbolinux were going into business together.
Well, sort of.
In actuality, what the two companies are doing are setting up a
joint development lab, cleverly called Manbo, to work on some code
together. In the olden times, before the harsh dragon of
Microsoft's patented patent agreement with Linux distributors
reared its ugly head, such a joint venture would be regarded as
cool. Another sign that "coopetition" was alive and well in the
open source arena.
In this arrangement, however, that notion has been spoiled
somewhat by the fact that in 2007, Turbolinux signed one of those
interoperability agreements with Microsoft, which included the
infamous "we won't your customers if your stuff infringes on our
patents" clause. If you'll recall, Turbolinux was the most recent
Linux company to do this, following Novell, Linspire, and
During the Age of Capitulation, as I have named it, one company
actually took a proactive stance and said "Nuh uh. Not us. No way,
José." Except they were more eloquent about it, with cool
literary/historical references that I had to Google for, because it
was Mandriva and I'm pretty sure the words "No way José"
have ever been uttered by CEO François Banchilon.
did say at the time was better:
"We also believe what we see, and up to now, there has been
absolutely no hard evidence from any of the FUD propagators that
Linux and open source applications are in breach of any patents. So
we think that, as in any democracy, people are innocent unless
proven guilty and we can continue working in good faith.
"So we don't believe it is necessary for us to get protection
from Microsoft to do our job or to pay protection money to
And the crowd went wild. Including, I must admit, myself.
Because as I
noted in June, after facing a lot of financial trouble and
being on the fiscal ropes, Mandriva turned any chance of making
such a deal down:
"With the exception of the bankruptcy proceedings, that's very
similar to situations faced by Xandros and Linspire. In fact, one
could argue that the whole bankruptcy situation made the situation
worse for Mandriva.
"But given this hardship, did Mandriva fold?
"No, they did not. They stood up for what was right. They stood
up for what was true. It may not have been the easy thing to do,
but they did it anyway."
So when the joint lab with Turbolinux was announced on
Wednesday, I have to admit the first thought that went through my
head was "uh oh."
Had the harsh realties of the market finally gotten Mandriva to
cave? Had they skirted the limelight to indirectly enter into a
patent agreement with Microsoft? Quite a few people seemed to think
so, and it worried me for a bit. Until I did that reporter thing
and just e-mailed Banchilon to find out what was going on.
I asked Banchilon if, given his company's prior stance on
Microsoft's patent agreements, if it was at all at odds with this
new Manbo arrangement.
We discussed the issue with Turbo before making the agreement.
They understand our position, and we accept theirs. We made it
clear that whatever we develop jointly is clearly outside of the
scope of their agreement with Microsoft. So the
Turbolinux-Microsoft agreement has no impact on anything Mandriva
does and our policy concerning Microsoft has not changed," he
At this point, I'm thinking that this all sounds well and good,
but how will this actually work? I kept envisioning some Mandriva
developer accidently seeing some Turbolinux code that had some
Microsoft functionality incorporated into it, and then being
(litigiously) forever scarred. Cross-contamination would ensue, and
months later, there would be a cold rasping knock on Mandriva's
door in the middle of the night. The knock of lawyers from
I wrote back: "I'm trying to understand how logistically this
will work. Is there some sort of 'clean room' in place to keep
Mandriva developers from seeing any Turbolinux code that might fall
under the alleged Microsoft patents or any code that Microsoft may
have directly contributed to Turbolinux?"
"The 10 or so engineers working in Manbo Labs have no access to
any of the Turbo technology that is not is the lab scope. And
everything in that scope is GPL," Banchilon replied.
Not content with explaining it just to me, Banchilon reiterated
these technical aspects, with more detail, on the
Mandriva blog today. Specifically, he indicated what the scope
of Manbo Labs would be:
- The scope of work is about 100 low-level RPMs, all in GPL
- Product will be available for public release under GPL
- Development is public, made on our Cooker environment and
associates the community
Is that enough to assuage the fears of the community? Hopefully
so. I think the two companies need to help each other technically
and it sounds as if Mandriva is taking care not to get involved in
It's a matter to trust. Mandriva has not compromised their
values before, and I think that's earned them the benefit of the