"Federico Biancuzzi: What dreams and goals (about open
source) did you have when you co-founded OSI?
"Bruce Perens: Dreams? What happened was far
greater than I dared to dream. Open Source is a key part of
enterprise computing, and government computing, and it's in very
many people's homes, mostly playing roles they don't notice. It's
taken over the biggest computer firms in the world. I talk with a
lot of companies, because I make a living helping them make
corporate policies and processes for working with Open Source. We
find that there are two kinds of companies: those whose executives
know they're using Open Source, and those who are using it, but
their front office hasn't come to terms with the fact yet. You
don't have to sell anyone on Open Source any longer, they already
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