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The Architects of Halloween. (Updated)
Nov 6, 1998, 13 :00 UTC (78 Talkback[s]) (21710 reads)

Here's an in-depth look at the personalities behind the Halloween documents.

By Dave Whitinger

Many people have written in with new information (isn't cooperative development great?), hence I have updated this page with the latest word.

Vinod Valloppillil, a Microsoft employee, has recently become famous for writing an internal Microsoft memorandum outlining (in incredible detail) Linux, Perl, Apache, Sendmail, and other Open Source projects.

Vinod is obviously versed in the open HTTP protocol, as evidenced by his various posts to the ircache and HTTP-wg lists. He is also known to lurk on other lists, including the NETSYS Firewall list.

Vinod received a BSEcon Degree and a BS Systems Engineering Degree from the University of Pennsylvania before accepting his position with Microsoft. He originally started work at Microsoft as an intern working on the MS SNA Server and is currently on the Microsoft Proxy Server team. It appears that he is known internally as an expert in Open Standards and protocols.

He has authored the following Internet Drafts:

This in-depth knowledge of protocols could by useful to a company interested in embracing and extending (read: de-commoditizing) Internet protocols.

But what of the incredible insight into Linux and other Open Source projects? How involved is Vinod in all of this? Who else is involved?

Could David Dawson (Texan--CS degree from UT Austin) and Randy Chapman (rumoured to have worked on the original port of Java to Linux) have been involved? (With their exposure to Linux dating back to 1993, I'm surprised to see that they are not mentioned in the Halloween document).

Among the people listed at the bottom of the document:

  • Nat Brown: (MS Lead Program Mgr--OLE/COM) has given a presentation to the W3 organization.. He is also considered a CORBA expert, as evidenced by this Usenix Windows NT Workshop. He has also defended Microsoft's ActiveX in this posting to the advanced-java mailing list. In 1996, he spoke at ISPCon about ActiveX and Internet Protocols.

  • Josh Cohen: Has posted an encouraging note to the linux-kernel list. Rumor has it that he was previously a Netscape employee, regularly attends IETF meetings and is active in the HTTP and web-related groups.

  • George Spix: An Altavista search shows this page describing an internal Microsoft page, but the link is dead. From this we know that at one point, there was an internal MS page that mentioned Linux and this fellow's name together.

  • Michael Nelson: Altavista finds 67 webpages, many leading to posts made to linux-kernel and Big-Linux. In addition there are several web pages that suggest he is involved with Windows NT, OLE, BSD UNIX, and Linux Development. His name is common, however, so the possibility exists that there are different Michael Nelsons.

  • David Treadwell: Has co-authored the book Windows Sockets: An Open Interface for Network Programming under Microsoft Windows, January 1993. (Link)

  • Oshoma Momoh: A graduate in mathematics at the University of Waterloo, is now a Program Manager with Microsoft.

  • David Gunter: Appears to have written the QUE book, Special Edition: Using Linux. He appears to have once been an enormous advocate of Linux.

  • Bernard Aboba: Appears to be interested in the MBONEd mailing list, has written the FAQ for the comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc newsgroup, and previously held an MS position of shepherding the porting of various products to OS/2. Used to be an active member of BMUG (Berkeley Macintosh Users Group) and thus was a serious Macintosh advocate for many years.

  • Jim Allchin: Microsoft's "Senior Vice President, Personal and Business Systems Group". He's the executive responsible for all the various flavors of Windows, including WinNT.

  • Ben Slivka: According to a deposition in late 1997, he is "Project Leader at Microsoft with responsibility for designing the next-generation user interfaces for Windows... employed by Microsoft as a software developer since June 1985. From the summer of 1994 until August 1996,... Project Leader in Microsoft's development of the Internet Explorer feature of Windows 95. "

  • Stephanie Ferguson: Previously a Product Manager for the Proxy Server, was promoted to NT 5.0, and is now in a position with the Server Systems group. She's a manager, rather than an engineer.

  • Charlie Kindel: Co-authored the DCOM specification and makes frequent posts to comp.os.ms-windows.programming.ole.

  • Dwight Krossa: Internet product manager in the desktop and business systems division at Microsoft Corp. Was quoted as saying, "By using ISAPI, WebMaster is providing our customers with a NNTP solution which is tightly integrated with Internet Information Server, enabling customers to seamlessly access news groups."

The memo makes mention of "Printed copies for PaulMa review". PaulMa would be Paul Maritz, one of the eight members of the Microsoft Executive Committee, along with Gates, Ballmer, Herbold, Higgins, Myhrvold, Allchin, and Raikes.

Thanks to all for the feedback we've received to help make this research more complete. We feel that in competing with Microsoft, we must be knowledgable of their talent.


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Jim Allchin, the 2nd name listed at the  ...   Jim Allchin   

Feb 4, 1999, 14:31:57
 
i know david dawson, aka utdave (got his ...   no genius   
cpg
Nov 5, 1998, 14:26:28
 
The final annotation on the first Hallow ...   'PaulMa' is Paul Maritz   

Feb 4, 1999, 14:31:57
 
According to a deposition of Ben SlivkaD ...   Ben Slivka   

Feb 4, 1999, 14:31:57
 
Stephanie Ferguson was the Product Manag ...   Steph Ferg   
AC
Nov 5, 1998, 15:35:37
 
Charlie Kindel co-authored the DCOM spec ...   Charlie Kindel   
Weiqi Gao
Nov 5, 1998, 15:48:39
 
a white paper on CARP:http://www.microso ...   info on CARP   
anon
Nov 10, 1998, 17:13:47
 
Would Open Source group offer people par ...   Would you?   
Yuri Kiryanov
Nov 11, 1998, 12:07:07
 
It would be interesting to know if the R ...   Randy Chapman   
David Boyce
Nov 5, 1998, 17:26:58
 
Josh Cohen regularily attends IETF meeti ...   Josh Cohen   
Stephen Martin
Nov 5, 1998, 17:51:57
 
One of Aboba's previous positions at ...   bernard aboba   
tdell
Nov 5, 1998, 18:00:16
 
Dwight Krossa       "Our customers want  ...   Dwight Krossa   
Paul Emsley
Nov 5, 1998, 18:45:35
 
One of the very off-hand comments in the ...   Shallow look at The GIMP?   
Andrew McMillan
Nov 5, 1998, 18:50:59
 
I am posting this note in a (probably fu ...   outing the participants   
Jeff Bauer
Nov 5, 1998, 19:33:58
 
He has a homepage at the above URL.  How ...   www.vinod.com   
Alan Robertson
Nov 14, 1998, 01:04:56
 
Josh Cohen used to work for Netscape. ...   Josh Cohen   
Thaths
Nov 5, 1998, 20:41:53
 
Bernard Aboba used to be an active membe ...   Bernard Aboba   

Feb 4, 1999, 14:31:57
 
Did anyone go to http://research.microso ...   Microsoft Research   
Atul Chitnis
Nov 6, 1998, 00:29:57
 
Point well taken Jeff Bauer, but we stil ...   Re: Outing the Participants   
Daniel
Jan 25, 1999, 09:36:05
 
I've read messages from Cohen on lin ...   Josh Cohen   
Marco Mariani
Nov 6, 1998, 02:49:30
 
The Hierarchical HTTP Routing Protocol d ...   Josh Cohen   
Jerome ALET
Nov 6, 1998, 04:25:54
 
On the pages linked to where josh speaks ...   Josh cohen links to egg.microsoft.com   
Maarten Stolte
Nov 6, 1998, 04:26:44
 
I agree with Jeff Bauer. It already look ...   carefull with investigating   
Rafal Maszkowski
Nov 6, 1998, 04:35:03
 
As I said in a private comment to Eric o ...   Halloween I   
Fred Heutte
Nov 8, 1998, 23:45:09
 
I would like to see the NT security mode ...   Linux: Embrace and Extend   
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Nov 6, 1998, 09:21:58
 
the format of internal microsoft emailad ...   Microsoft email addresses   
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Nov 6, 1998, 09:21:58
 
there has been some concern over the aut ...   careful with investigating   
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Nov 6, 1998, 09:21:58
 
Forget Alta Vista. Use Infoseek. It retu ...   g. spix   
doug hall
Nov 6, 1998, 11:53:39
 
Microsoft needs to be careful to not rai ...   The Slippery Slope   
Len Smith (System Dynamix Corporation)
Nov 6, 1998, 12:17:02
 
The system which hosts "www.vinod.com" i ...   Correcting some incorrect "facts"   
Ariel
Nov 6, 1998, 12:38:52
 
MS is a company that needs to be stopped ...   LINUX   
a linux fan
Nov 6, 1998, 13:23:41
 
I've read with interest both the doc ...   Strategy   
John Cockerill
Nov 6, 1998, 14:18:41
 
another inet draft:http://www.arctic.org ...   inet drafts   

Feb 4, 1999, 14:31:57
 
Since when is using search engines to fi ...   RE: outing the participants   
Richard Alan
Nov 6, 1998, 14:47:50
 
This Halloween stuff made me realize tha ...   marketing power of 'Open Source'   
john ital
Nov 6, 1998, 14:48:21
 
Gentlemen,Perhaps some of you may be for ...   Antecedents   
Mike
Jan 1, 1999, 21:15:40
 
I have a very positive feeling about thi ...   Linux made it....   
Rakesh Tiwari
Dec 16, 1998, 09:09:37
 
I find it amusing that the people at Mic ...   Legal Action?   
John Murphy
Nov 7, 1998, 13:04:52
 
I met Vinod a few months ago at a swanky ...   vinod valloppillil   
vijaya sang
Nov 6, 1998, 17:41:07
 
I worked with 'shank' in boston  ...   Sankar Koundinya   
zorro
Nov 6, 1998, 20:12:54
 
In my opinion, it is frightening that pr ...   A grim road to walk   
Tom Myro
Nov 6, 1998, 21:26:20
 
The best way to protect open protocols i ...   Protocols & end user applications   
Serge Grenier
Nov 7, 1998, 00:17:27
 
Intel just bought the Alpha chip.  Intel ...   Money in Linux   
Kyle Gonzales
Nov 7, 1998, 19:40:26
 
Keynot speaker at the Windows NT 5.0 Dep ...   Jim Allchin   

Feb 4, 1999, 14:31:57
 
I like the bit in Halloween III where it ...   Linux a competitor in the low-end server market   
Christian van den Bosch
Nov 8, 1998, 19:17:12
 
Kyle Gonzales writes:  "Once a major com ...   Money in Linux: been there, done that.   
Zygo Blaxell
Jan 1, 1999, 08:24:05
 
Hi all, please visithttp://nats-www.info ...   collection of halloween related stuff   
Michael Schulz
Nov 7, 1998, 05:45:22
 
David Treadwell is the Dev Manager of II ...   Treadwell   

Feb 4, 1999, 14:31:57
 
I was surprised by the accuracy of the d ...   Accurate it is.   
Anon
Nov 10, 1998, 17:13:47
 
Some comments Eric missed, IIS losing to ...   Accurate it is.   
Anon
Nov 10, 1998, 17:13:47
 
the attendee's list for the IETF mee ...   sources   
Joe Beets
Nov 7, 1998, 14:22:38
 
i am posting this anonymously. please re ...   talent in MS   
anon
Nov 10, 1998, 17:13:47
 
Anon, very eloquent... Many of us rag Mi ...   Re: talent in MS   
Kamal Southall
Nov 9, 1998, 13:17:29
 
if memory serves me, David Treadwell is  ...   David Treadwell   
ex-MS
Nov 9, 1998, 19:22:57
 
>Watch out for a a bunch of proxy hacker ...   Re: Locking OSS out through Encryption   
Charles Heffner
Nov 10, 1998, 07:29:02
 
David was the development manager for II ...   more on David Treadwell   
Partner
Nov 10, 1998, 11:20:33
 
There are basically two types of people  ...   Re: talent in MS (2)   
anon
Nov 10, 1998, 17:13:47
 
Rivest's Chaffing and Winnowing:The  ...   Subject: Re: Locking OSS out through Encryption   
Michelle Jenkins
Nov 10, 1998, 21:29:06
 
This talk gets to be serious. My earlier ...   Re: talent in MS (3)   
Yuri Kiryanov
Nov 11, 1998, 12:07:07
 
I was a graduate student at MIT from 197 ...   Joe Weizenbaum's Students...   
Tom Teixeira
Nov 12, 1998, 16:10:07
 
Reading the Halloween documents, it' ...   Linux GUI   
Paul Moore
Nov 13, 1998, 03:00:57
 
>Anon - Subject: Accurate it is. (Nov 10 ...   Response to Anon   
Jeff Lasman
Nov 13, 1998, 10:06:59
 
>Some comments Eric missed, IIS losing t ...   Response to Anon's Second Post   
Jeff Lasman
Nov 13, 1998, 10:06:59
 
It's about taking the toys away from ...   National Security   
V Legowik
Nov 15, 1998, 20:30:19
 
V Legowik's hope that critical syste ...   Re: National Security   
Paul Hovnanian
Jan 11, 1999, 22:36:58
 
I'm coming to the debate on OSS a bi ...   The Big Bad Borg   
Richard Jones
Nov 16, 1998, 04:22:29
 
The article to which Paul Hovnanian reff ...   Re: National Security   
David Young
Nov 23, 1998, 09:24:42
 

>V Legowik's hope that critical sys ...   Re: National Security   
Mat Butler
Nov 25, 1998, 09:24:45
 
Nice to see that Vinod Valloppillil' ...   www.vinod.com   
Richard Turnbull
Nov 27, 1998, 01:02:22
 
Impose "Open Source Tax" Based On S/W Sa ...   Tie "Open Source" To S/W Revenue   
Virtual
Dec 8, 1998, 11:35:24
 
I'm playing much catch up here and a ...   Interesting to say the least.   
Subliminal Chaos
Dec 26, 1998, 15:31:07
 
You say:

"Microsoft doesn't care ab ...   Re: Interesting to say the least.   
Paul Hovnanian
Jan 11, 1999, 22:36:58
 
Anon wrote:
>Some comments Eric missed,  ...   The difference between MS and Apple   
Chris Naden
Jan 15, 1999, 04:31:46
 
The Microsoft Randy Chapman and the Rand ...   Re: Randy Chapman   
Chris Stefan
Jan 30, 1999, 17:45:33
 
First let me state for the record that I ...   The Problem with Linux   
John Barry
Feb 5, 1999, 15:57:48
 
Send and donate your copies of Linux dis ...   Linux copies in Public Libraries   
Rafael
Feb 8, 1999, 22:29:29
 
John,
You see the problem, so write up a ...   Re: The Problem with Linux   
Rafael
Feb 8, 1999, 22:40:58
 
Open systems are a great idea. At Davis  ...   Operating systems -- past & present   
Arch Davis
Feb 9, 1999, 13:22:15
 
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