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:Response to Microsoft: PC Week benchmarks reveal Mindcraft failings
Response to Microsoft: PC Week benchmarks reveal Mindcraft failings
May 14, 1999, 08 :34 UTC (78 Talkback[s]) (5182 reads)

By Larry J. Blunk

Microsoft issued a statement on May 12 requesting the Linux Community to respond to Mindcraft's Open Benchmark challenge. In an apparent attempt at "baiting" the Community, Microsoft digs deep into the FUD barrel -- a surefire way to win the confidence and cooperation of the Community.

Concentrating on the Mindcraft study rather than the FUD, there is a great deal to be learned from the PC Week benchmark cited in the Microsoft statement. It appears that the Linux Community's concerns about the initial Mindcraft test have largely been validated, namely, that the results of the initial Mindcraft test did not accurately represent the performance capabilities of Linux.

First, lets look at the WebBench numbers. PC Week attained up to 2,100 requests/sec with Apache on Linux. An amazing 110% improvement over Mindcraft's 1,000 requests/sec result.

Secondly, the NetBench numbers tell a similar story. Linux with Samba achieved up to 197Mbps, a significant 73% improvement over Mindcraft's figure of 114Mbps. What's more, drilling deeper into the PC Week article, we find that the NT server achieved a meager 150Mbps of throughput when tested against WinNT clients. In others words, the Samba/Linux combo outperformed Windows NT server by a very healthy 31% when tested against Microsoft's self-proclaimed business class desktop product. PC Week goes on to state, "More importantly, Samba had minimal performance degradation at higher client loads. In tests with 60 clients, Windows NT managed only 110M-bps throughput compared with 183M-bps for Samba." Strangely, the Microsoft statement makes no mention of these results.

So what exactly is Microsoft complaining about? The PC Week results make a strong case that Mindcraft did not properly tune their Linux configuration. The Open Benchmark would likely yield similar results. Microsoft's demand that the Linux Community "withdraw their criticisms of the initial Mindcraft report", if they do participate in the Open Benchmark, rings hollow. Moreover, Mindcraft states that the purpose of the Open Benchmark is "to see if Mindcraft's second benchmark results are biased and not representative of Linux's true performance". But what of the initial Mindcraft report? Apparently, not even Mindcraft has confidence in the numbers from the initial report.


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According to a reply I got from the Fede ...   Complain to the FTC   
Darren
May 14, 1999, 08:50:28
 
Remember this story? It should be applie ...   Microsoft Plans Stealth Blitz to Mend Its Image   
Mike
May 14, 1999, 09:14:20
 
That's all very nice. But you're ...   One tiny detail...   
Pepijn Schmitz
May 14, 1999, 09:34:00
 
Win or lose,  the Linux community should ...   Win or lose...   
Jeff Hecker
May 14, 1999, 09:51:21
 
that is not true.
 ...   re: one tiny detail   
Ozric
May 14, 1999, 10:01:28
 
Let them have this.  Give it up.  The mo ...   Give it a break.   
James Ryan
May 14, 1999, 10:03:47
 
Linux and nt have been around for roughl ...   Linux V NT   
angelo
May 14, 1999, 10:15:30
 
Even though Mindcraft has been flamed fo ...   Note that NT is still faster   
Marco Schramp
May 14, 1999, 10:18:31
 
hmmmm.. I would suggest a more thorough  ...   Re: One tiny detail...   
Nicholas Donovan
May 14, 1999, 10:41:09
 
One of the points that causes confusion  ...   Which "Linux"?   
Noah F. San Tsorbutz
May 14, 1999, 10:42:37
 
Agreed, very much agreed.

By dancing th ...   Re: Give it a break.   
Mike Rasmusson
May 14, 1999, 10:52:49
 
On the Apache tests, anyway, 2.2.7 fixed ...   Scheduler fixes might help   
Dan Kegel
May 14, 1999, 10:53:52
 
Perhaps someone should come up with a fo ...   Re: Complain to the FTC   
Wesley Simon
May 14, 1999, 11:03:16
 
It seems like MicroSoft believes that th ...   Oh, don't even get me started   
Shane Ng
May 14, 1999, 11:21:00
 
Short version: SMB for Win9x has been "e ...   SMB for Win9x   
Mark Arrasmith
May 14, 1999, 11:30:35
 
Re the Mindcraft study, what turned me o ...   one tiny detail   
king lee
May 14, 1999, 11:44:43
 
   Regarding the statement - "NT has bee ...   Re: One tiny detail...   
Michael J. Ball
May 14, 1999, 12:01:38
 
Why do ppl always qualify their opinion  ...   Re: One tiny detail   
Ninh
May 14, 1999, 12:02:32
 
is that M$ wants the new benchmark run o ...   ... another tiny detail   
Jerry Kreps
May 14, 1999, 12:21:18
 
I have to say that I am bit confused by  ...   Strange Numbers   
William Doors
May 14, 1999, 12:27:43
 
First some ideas, then a rant, then more ...   Again...We need a PR body   
Nicholas Donovan
May 14, 1999, 12:48:42
 
Well, performance doesn't mean every ...   Performance isn't everything   
Fernando Pereira
May 14, 1999, 13:19:24
 
The key argument is not whether NT can b ...   Wrong Argument   
Anthony E. Greene
May 14, 1999, 13:28:34
 
If I'm not mistaken, one of the rest ...   common restrictions   
Mark Wiley
May 14, 1999, 13:30:38
 
Remember that the cost of per use licenc ...   Costs and restrictions   
Mark Evans
May 14, 1999, 14:00:38
 
As a former Amiga owner/zealot I couldn& ...   Re: Re: Give it a break.   
lab rat
May 14, 1999, 14:05:31
 
Why isn't it mentioned that in the P ...   over all NT   
Jeff Lee
May 14, 1999, 14:38:35
 
NT seemed faster in these tests, but don ...   Re: over all NT   
I. Martinez
May 14, 1999, 15:19:14
 
   The NetBench chart used by PC Week sh ...   The Chart   
Larry J. Blunk
May 14, 1999, 15:26:55
 
> Regarding the statement - "NT has been ...   Re: one tiny detail...   
Pepijn Schmitz
May 14, 1999, 16:30:45
 
NT is _not_ faster in general! Read this ...   Re: Note that NT is still faster   
Con Zymaris
May 14, 1999, 17:17:50
 
Why complain about Mindcraft? Beacuase o ...   Re: One tiny detail...   
Con Zymaris
May 14, 1999, 17:21:20
 
I did not saw these points when I was re ...   Very good points...   
totoy
May 14, 1999, 17:21:26
 
I'm not part of the GNU/Linux kernel ...   Re: One tiny detail...   
totoy
May 14, 1999, 17:30:56
 
Well, why not benchmark them against Fre ...   BSD beats both   
elfgrep
May 14, 1999, 17:42:26
 
Wait until we finished with Window$ and  ...   Re: BSD beats both   
totoy
May 14, 1999, 17:55:46
 
Pepijn Schmitz, you are a cute little el ...   Pepijn Schmitz -- You are Cute!   
Philo Vivero
May 14, 1999, 19:40:29
 
Instead of agreeing to MS competition, w ...   various   
tracer
May 14, 1999, 20:54:56
 
I just registered my complaint against M ...   Re: Complain to the FTC   
Mario Miyojim
May 14, 1999, 21:34:38
 
My accountant daughter in Brazil tells m ...   Re: Oh, don't even get me started   
Mario Miyojim
May 14, 1999, 21:46:27
 
No matter the design specifications, tec ...   Re: Again...We need a PR body   
Mario Miyojim
May 14, 1999, 22:15:28
 
I would be willing to bet that NEVER hap ...   Re: Re: BSD beats both   
elfgrep
May 14, 1999, 23:39:18
 
Mindcraft mis-configured the Linux Serve ...   Lay with Dogs   
brett
May 15, 1999, 01:18:17
 
Both benchmark reports from  PC Magazine ...   NT beats Linux without doubt   
Jim
May 15, 1999, 14:48:14
 
	Seems to me that Microsoft engineers ca ...   Source Code - yup   
Ken
May 16, 1999, 00:05:04
 
I own a small computer networking compan ...   Try it..youll like it....   
Sr. Tech
May 16, 1999, 03:08:13
 
U've been sleeping with Billy recent ...   Re: NT beats Linux without doubt   
Dx
May 16, 1999, 18:42:51
 
Before Linux showed up on Gate's rad ...   Re: Give it a break. -- We can't!   
Jerry Kreps
May 16, 1999, 19:19:52
 
All I have to say is, Who is the idiot w ...   NT vs Linux   
Michael Duke
May 17, 1999, 02:14:49
 
For that matter, NT vs. any unix/unix-cl ...   NT vs. Linux as webservers   
NT
May 17, 1999, 02:26:43
 
I seem to recall that the version of Win ...   non-standard NT   
Curt Parker
May 17, 1999, 16:44:22
 
Hmmm,

Comparing Linux/Solaris/HPUnix or ...   NT: Inevitable it will win...   
Alexander Peter Kowalski
May 17, 1999, 22:53:11
 
OK, so you have been assimilated.

That  ...   Re: NT: Inevitable it will win...   
elfgrep
May 18, 1999, 00:43:14
 
Hello all,

Pleaseplease be carefully.

 ...   Please be careful, community   
Bössu
May 18, 1999, 01:33:58
 
The Unix Concept has been around 30+ Yea ...   Re: NT: Inevitable it will win...   
ShawnP
May 18, 1999, 09:29:19
 
Honestly, look at the hardware running i ...   Re: NT vs. Linux as webservers   
kevin
May 18, 1999, 12:45:04
 
Darren wrote:
"For instance, one of the  ...   Re: Complain to the FTC   
david scheidt
May 18, 1999, 12:53:50
 
So when will we hear that Linux beats NT ...   NT VS Linux - REAL RESULTS   
Prasana
May 18, 1999, 19:04:07
 
You've got to be kidding.

This cons ...   Re: non-standard NT   
Brent F
May 18, 1999, 23:37:09
 
Me too. But what I really want/crave to  ...   Re: Very good points...   
Pras
May 19, 1999, 12:42:19
 
It's pointless to respond to Microso ...   Shut up and code   
Dan
May 20, 1999, 16:01:10
 
It's pointless to respond to Microso ...   Shut up and code   
Dan
May 20, 1999, 16:01:18
 
People always talk about how Microsoft h ...   Linux   
Steve
May 22, 1999, 03:04:18
 
READ THIS ARTICLE FROM ZDNET.COM

http:/ ...   A MUST READ   
Kevin Bloomfield
May 22, 1999, 04:44:09
 
HEY BILL! I WILL WITHDRAW MY CRITICISM F ...   Withdraw my criticism   
Gerald Scheidl
May 26, 1999, 18:41:19
 
Okay, this post is completely off the po ...   Off the point   
Izak Burger
May 27, 1999, 07:35:13
 
David Scheidt wrote:
> I hate to break i ...   Re: Complain to the FTC   
Bernd Paysan
May 28, 1999, 06:54:20
 
Microsoft is doing what they do best...  ...   We're all being assimilated   
Benjamin Smith
May 29, 1999, 22:55:07
 
That may be true, and if it was not Micr ...   Re: NT beats Linux without doubt (NOT on SMB price   
William Evans
May 31, 1999, 05:07:25
 
Funny, the www.microsoft.com runs Apache ...   Re: NT vs. Linux as webservers   
Josef Fritscher
Jun 1, 1999, 05:26:17
 
I am forced to use microsoft products at ...   Re: NT: Inevitable it will win...   
David Penland
Jun 2, 1999, 10:12:26
 
...but throw in the cost for Linux, even ...   Re: NT beats Linux without doubt   
clawson
Jun 2, 1999, 14:53:31
 
Kevin asked for real world results showi ...   real results   
David Neeley
Jun 3, 1999, 20:36:42
 
Time is *not* on M$'s side ... Jan 1 ...   Re: NT: Inevitable it will win...   
Basil Fernie
Aug 2, 1999, 11:37:12
 
In fact, I've never seen LINUX detec ...   Re: Pepijn Schmitz -- You are Cute!   
Manu DELMARCHE
Aug 24, 1999, 09:25:33
 
"Time is *not* on M$'s side ... Jan  ...   Re: Re: NT: Inevitable it will win...   
Alexander Peter Kowalski
Jan 10, 2002, 17:09:37
 
The real point here is - What does it ma ...   Re: Re: Re: BSD beats both   
Brian
May 3, 2002, 03:23:02
 
Per my past comments here in these url&# ...   NT: Inevitable it will win part 3   
Alexander Peter Kowalski
Mar 29, 2007, 14:21:42
 
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