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:Opinion: Linux is not Red Hat
Opinion: Linux is not Red Hat
Jun 5, 1999, 23 :16 UTC (227 Talkback[s]) (29601 reads)

(Other stories by Arne Flones)

Update: Make sure you read Arne's follow-up post where he states that the issue has been resolved.

[ The opinions expressed by authors on Linux Today are their own. They speak only for themselves and not for Linux Today. ] -lt ed

Contributed by Linux Today reader Arne Flones.

Last night I drove to Pasadena to attend the first night festivities of Red Hat's recently announced Revolution Tour. The program, indicative of any opening night, was complete with dysfunctional microphones, hung-up X screen savers and speakers with first night jitters. Other than these minor quibbles the presentation was good enough to make any Linux fan happy... except possibly me.

The problem stems from Red Hat's fast and furious deal-making. Many would argue that this is good for Open Source because it's good for the business of Open Source. I disagree. I think it could end up being a nightmare.

Red Hat and other Linux distributions are making deals with software vendors, in this instance, Red Hat's partnership with MetroWerks, the creator of Code Warrior. I have absolutely no knowledge of Red Hat's agreement with MetroWerks. But I can say that the main effect of that agreement is an exclusive relationship between MetroWerks and Red Hat made at the cost of all of the other Linux distributions.

Here's the scoop. MetroWerks is releasing CodeWarrior not as CodeWarrior for Linux but as CodeWarrior for Red Hat Linux. Yes, you read that correctly. Look at their Web site where you will also find the system requirements specifically mentioning only Red Hat.

As a current SuSE and former Slackware user, I have a real problem with commercial Linux offerings being made exclusively for any one distribution's benefit. I brought this objection to the MetroWerks and Red Hat people last night. Their response was that CodeWarrior was specifically designed to work with Red Hat's distributions. One of the MetroWerks reps added that there were some 39 Linux distributions and they couldn't target them all.

My response, "Yes you can--./configure; make; make install," was shrugged off.

Given that there are thousands of volunteers ready, willing and able to assist in porting CodeWarrior to other distributions, I find it interesting that MetroWerks would cite the proliferation of distributions as the reason that they are releasing CodeWarrior for only one of those distributions. This begs the question:
Why is one and only one Linux distribution to be supported by CodeWarrior when, by using the Open Source community, the cost to do one or two more of the other big distributions would be minimal and could be recouped quickly by sales?
This strongly suggests that there may be an explicitly exclusionary contract between Red Hat and MetroWerks.

As it stands, even if isn't intentional, the results are equally harmful. First, it puts pressure on all the distributions to adopt the Red Hat way, not because it is better, but simply because Red Hat got there first and received the most initial support of the Linux community.

The Linux business is still in its infancy. We haven't even figured out all the rules of an Open Source business. It's much too early to declare winners. Winners certainly should not be declared because of serendipity. This whole matter stands the peer review process inherent in Open Source on its ear.

Allow me to speculate of another future scenerio.

  • Red Hat makes deals with software vendors X, Y and Z
    Soon we get X for Red Hat, Y for Red Hat and Z for Red Hat.
  • Caldera hurriedly counters with deals with software vendors A, B and C
    Soon we get A for Caldera, B for Caldera and C for Caldera.
  • Debian responds with deals with J, K and L...

Well, you get the idea. The balkanization of Linux becomes a reality. All the good work that everybody has done to promote Open Source goes out the door. We end up with a pissing contest to decide which commercial distribution can sign the biggest and baddest commercial players. We may as well have formed the International Software League and sell tickets to the events.

Let the distribution wars begin... brought to you tonight by Flam Coffee and Blark Beer...

I don't see any gain in this except for the upcoming Red Hat stockholders.

If these dangers are real, how can we avoid this future.

  • Support the Linux Standards Base and only support vendors who support LSB. Let the rest be nonstandard pariahs.
  • In the meantime, encourage Red Hat and MetroWerks to be good Open Source citizens and support the entire Open Source community.
I take this very seriously. In spite of everything Red Hat's done, I consider exclusionary contracts (explicitly or otherwise) to be a serious breach of trust. I hope others will see the danger considering Red Hat's recently announced IPO.

I hope Red Hat and MetroWerks will see this as an important enough issue to do the right thing to re-level the playing field. The other distributions should be able to work with Red Hat and MetroWerks to make it possible to bring out CodeWarrior as a Linux product, not a Red Hat product.

By initiating exclusivity in Linux distributions Red Hat is in effect saying, "We're now the biggest and the baddest. Who else deserves to have the cream?"

My answer is simple. "We all do."
Linux is for everybody, not just the chosen few.

Linux is not Red Hat.


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Since it sounds like you work for SUSE,  ...   MAKES NO SENSE   
bg
Jun 5, 1999, 23:55:36
 
To paraphrase. Money corrupts, large sum ...   Money   
BR
Jun 6, 1999, 00:32:26
 

I too attended the kickoff of the revol ...   Completely Missed the Point   
Daryll Strauss
Jun 6, 1999, 00:36:38
 
If RedHat keeps this kind of garbage up  ...   If they keep this up......   
Frank Hale
Jun 6, 1999, 00:41:52
 
then there really would be a market for  ...   If this is a problem...   
Case Roole
Jun 6, 1999, 00:45:43
 
Considering the similarities between mos ...   open source alternative?   
Thad Phetteplace
Jun 6, 1999, 01:16:37
 
I agree fully that the 'exclusive&#3 ...   RedHat Linux Balkanization   
W. Anderson
Jun 6, 1999, 01:17:25
 
This is all true. Someone should tell th ...   Absolutly true   
Meni0n
Jun 6, 1999, 01:23:10
 

For what it's worth, I installed it ...   Worked fine on Caldera   
Adam Wiggins
Jun 6, 1999, 04:30:23
 
chill.

the entire redhat distribution i ...   ok, now take a breath in...   
kevin lyda
Jun 6, 1999, 05:09:14
 
Red Hat might have done a lot for open s ...   I totally agree.   
Rob Kaper
Jun 6, 1999, 05:40:23
 

This is the problem with commercial sof ...   There you have it...   
Michiel Toneman
Jun 6, 1999, 05:51:47
 
I am getting a little tired of everyone  ...   linux distros   
Don O'Connell
Jun 6, 1999, 05:53:49
 
Is it alright to just right click this p ...   May we attach this to email?   
Rafael
Jun 6, 1999, 06:18:59
 
At the end of the day, the only thing th ...   Only one solution   
Richard Simpson
Jun 6, 1999, 06:19:17
 
	I had occasion about a month ago to mak ...   RE: Linux is not Red Hat   
Sid Boyce
Jun 6, 1999, 06:54:37
 
Nothing new here. I've been saying t ...   I've said this all along   
Wesley Morgan
Jun 6, 1999, 06:55:57
 
It is rather odd that other packages, .e ...   More of the Same   
Noah F. San Tsorbutz
Jun 6, 1999, 10:02:37
 
Cheez!! When did it become evil to make  ...   Pogo was right - The enemy is us!!   
dinotrac
Jun 6, 1999, 10:22:36
 
If anyone wishes to express his opinion  ...   Contact Metrowerks   
Charlie
Jun 6, 1999, 11:03:09
 
Well, before everyone starts screaming " ...   The real problem.   
Frobozz
Jun 6, 1999, 11:22:15
 
Can it be that Linux users are picking d ...   Can it be?   
Darryl Barile
Jun 6, 1999, 12:13:14
 
I get sick and tired of the argument "Th ...   United we stand, divided we fall.   
Alan
Jun 6, 1999, 12:23:49
 
Is this just kind of an attitude thing?  ...   Red hat is GPL after all...   
William Lacy
Jun 6, 1999, 13:00:40
 
Agreed. Face it RPM has become the stand ...   Re: Completely Missed the Point   
rick james
Jun 6, 1999, 13:25:11
 
I totally agree with Darryl.  I am a 17  ...   Darryl's Post   
Anthony J.
Jun 6, 1999, 13:30:32
 
Thank you all for your responses.  I app ...   Responses   
Arne Flones
Jun 6, 1999, 14:01:08
 
This is part of an E-Mail I sent to Arne ...   Debian inclusion?   
Randy Edwards
Jun 6, 1999, 14:11:34
 
Yes, Red Hat is GPL.  However MetroWerks ...   Re: Red hat is GPL after all...   
Scott
Jun 6, 1999, 15:01:34
 
Those of us who are NOT red hat users, a ...   Amen.   
stu
Jun 6, 1999, 15:01:54
 
RedHat needs to Well... not do this .. a ...   Kick Their asses   
RaZ
Jun 6, 1999, 15:04:51
 
"I'm glad Slackware stays to the roo ...   Re: I totally agree.   
yuanx
Jun 6, 1999, 15:13:35
 
I've installed "RedHat" commercial s ...   Don't be silly   
Dax Kelson
Jun 6, 1999, 15:18:57
 
Frobozz: If it is true, at the end of th ...   Re: The real problem.   
yuanx
Jun 6, 1999, 15:27:34
 
I would buy one of these t-shirts (well, ...   An idea: T-shirt with "Linux is not Red Hat"   
NRI
Jun 6, 1999, 15:37:11
 
This phenomenon illustrates the limitati ...   Limitations of Propriatery Software   
Ben Drasin
Jun 6, 1999, 15:42:55
 

Excuse the question of a relatively new ...   Re: Makes no sense   
Rousseau
Jun 6, 1999, 15:46:19
 
I have been screaming loudly in this: Li ...   LSB standards   
Subhas
Jun 6, 1999, 15:51:13
 
I would like to quickly respond to earli ...   RE: Previous Post's "Supporting Distributions   
Scott Bradley
Jun 6, 1999, 15:56:24
 
 I take this very seriously. In spite of ...   Damn Implicit exclusionary contracts   
David Waite
Jun 6, 1999, 15:57:39
 
I woudl suggest everyone take a moment t ...   Everyone Calm Down. (LSB is comming).   
Alan Wild
Jun 6, 1999, 16:00:36
 
You, my friend, seem to have completely  ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE???   
Celestrion
Jun 6, 1999, 16:12:32
 
It makes a lot of sense. Why should anyo ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Jon
Jun 6, 1999, 16:13:21
 
If Redhat and MetroWorks don't think ...   Open Source   
Lonnie Nunweiler
Jun 6, 1999, 16:13:32
 
If you read on slashdot yesterday, which ...   Corel headed down this path as well   
Scott Miga
Jun 6, 1999, 16:14:31
 
>I actually am planning to put Red Hat o ...   RE: Responses   
Intrepid|
Jun 6, 1999, 16:15:43
 
In my eyes the reason why MetroWorks cal ...   The real problem is Quality Assurance   
Bas Vermeulen
Jun 6, 1999, 16:20:43
 
The whole idea of using Linux is for cho ...   CHOICE DAMNIT!   
evil sailor 9
Jun 6, 1999, 16:21:45
 
I agree, Red Hat is a super popular dist ...   Red Hat is doing "The Right Thing"   
Kenenth Springhetti
Jun 6, 1999, 16:26:39
 
On the one hand, this appears to be caus ...   RH != Linux   
jackgam
Jun 6, 1999, 16:28:43
 
Downloaded a binary only program (kisdn) ...   A Recent Encounter ... Couldn't believe this!   
Josua Dietze
Jun 6, 1999, 16:31:54
 
If Linux is to do well (ie; give people  ...   Editorial: Linux is not Red Hat   
Joe Nicholson
Jun 6, 1999, 16:33:42
 
As many of you know, the Rasterman left  ...   can any good come?   
Wiliam F.
Jun 6, 1999, 16:33:47
 
I agree completely with Randy on this.   ...   Re: Debian inclusion?   
Bob Wooldridge
Jun 6, 1999, 16:47:45
 
Beware, seems like history will repeat i ...   History Repeating Itself!!!   
Joe Schmo
Jun 6, 1999, 16:54:04
 
Frankly, I don't like how linux is d ...   another choice   
weez
Jun 6, 1999, 16:55:16
 
Just don't buy from Metro Werks.  ...   I wont buy it.   
Joe
Jun 6, 1999, 16:58:04
 
This reminds me of the unix wars, every  ...   Hmmm, this reminds me of the unix wars..   
George Daswani
Jun 6, 1999, 17:00:59
 
READ THE FAQ AGAIN!  It says they are no ...   Re: Corel headed down this path as well   
BrianS
Jun 6, 1999, 17:21:00
 
bg, that is one of the dumbest things I  ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Chris
Jun 6, 1999, 17:29:19
 
First from Metrowerks president himself: ...   From MetroWerks Pres. & two sides   
mowa
Jun 6, 1999, 17:34:16
 
Interestingly enough, your arguement mak ...   Awho?   
Reeve
Jun 6, 1999, 17:37:28
 
I've been through this issue a littl ...   From the horses mouth:   
Chris
Jun 6, 1999, 17:38:53
 
Where do these people come from?
All the ...   Re: Corel headed down this path as well   
Nick Lamb
Jun 6, 1999, 17:45:29
 
     Almost everyone who are changing to ...   Linux Standard Base must be supported   
Roup Hardowar
Jun 6, 1999, 17:47:37
 
If Red Hat does something to piss you of ...   The Deal   
Thomas Simpson
Jun 6, 1999, 17:57:10
 
I'm not only horrified at the propos ...   Software for Linux   
Coolio
Jun 6, 1999, 18:17:37
 
Arne's article poses some really imp ...   I see both sides   
Joe Drago
Jun 6, 1999, 18:22:13
 
SuSE played unfair?  How?

Anyway, I wil ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
donald
Jun 6, 1999, 18:32:11
 
Good! Let RedHat crash and burn like the ...   RedHat is not Linux!   
Ted Sikora
Jun 6, 1999, 18:33:17
 
All this talk over Red Hat turning into  ...   My goodness...   
Andrew Chiles
Jun 6, 1999, 18:36:36
 
if anyone is unhappy with metrowerks and ...   who need code warrior anyway?   
Rui M. Silva
Jun 6, 1999, 18:43:04
 
I'd say this is one way in which BSD ...   BSD's are better...   
Rod Taylor
Jun 6, 1999, 18:47:43
 
Here is how you do it on Caldera 2.2
Sim ...   (Red Hat Linux) Caldera & Star Office 5.1   
Nicholas Donovan
Jun 6, 1999, 18:52:40
 
We commonly refer to the OSS revolution  ...   Revolution Part 2   
PenguinHead
Jun 6, 1999, 18:57:33
 
I currently use Redhat, because in my no ...   Why I use Redhat and why I'll stop   
~fly~
Jun 6, 1999, 19:02:06
 
While I can't comment on the validit ...   We all have options   
Bryan Porter
Jun 6, 1999, 19:07:04
 
Please check again.  Corel most definate ...   Re: Corel headed down this path as well   
Odin
Jun 6, 1999, 19:19:15
 
I installed Code Warrior on my Stampede  ...   Works fine on Stampede   
Outlyer
Jun 6, 1999, 19:29:23
 
I really wish computing expertise transl ...   Sigh....   
Jason Fletcher
Jun 6, 1999, 19:36:07
 
They were playing fair and honest, eh?
M ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Prentice
Jun 6, 1999, 19:56:15
 
LSB LSB LSB LINUX STANDARDS BASE LINUX S ...   support the Linux Standards Base!!!   
brian
Jun 6, 1999, 20:04:11
 
Why couldn't they just make standard ...   Weird.   
Steve
Jun 6, 1999, 20:11:58
 
Every distribution is good in its place, ...   Distribution wars?   
Rob
Jun 6, 1999, 20:16:18
 
 What can we do .... boycot Red Hat.
Sim ...   Re: Kick Their asses   
Chris Carson
Jun 6, 1999, 20:46:12
 
COMMERCIAL product people, COMMERCIAL pr ...   COMMERCIAL product!   
Richard Eisenman
Jun 6, 1999, 20:48:47
 
Get with it, man.  If CodeWarrior *only* ...   Stop the FUD; we get enough from Richmond   
Gary Lawrence Murphy
Jun 6, 1999, 20:51:38
 
Is it really that difficult to manually  ...   Come on, guys...   
Mike Frisch
Jun 6, 1999, 20:52:01
 

Advice to DOJ: investigate antitrust be ...   Advice to DOJ and Microsoft   
bill
Jun 6, 1999, 20:57:38
 
As a newbie to Linux it strikes me that  ...   Voice your opinion...   
Gord Mc.Pherson
Jun 6, 1999, 21:00:29
 
I dont think anyone has doubts about *bs ...   Linux must learn from *BSD or it is nothing   
Glenn McGrath
Jun 6, 1999, 21:34:34
 
I'm sorry, but I don't get all t ...   Why even bother w/Codewarrior   
wirehead
Jun 6, 1999, 21:42:16
 
seems to me that its yet another adolesc ...   sigh   
bwarff
Jun 6, 1999, 21:47:39
 
The company is within its rights to rele ...   Half N Half   
DARKFACT
Jun 6, 1999, 21:48:21
 
First off, I'd like to thank all tho ...   Assumptions in the air   
Rob Nelson
Jun 6, 1999, 21:48:53
 
If it is not licensed under GPL refuse t ...   Boycott all proprietary software on Linux   
Louis Savain
Jun 6, 1999, 21:53:47
 
The following was posted above by mowa.  ...   Resolution has occured   
Arne Flones
Jun 6, 1999, 21:58:45
 
Uhh, wow! What a considered, rational re ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
John Waalkes
Jun 6, 1999, 21:59:32
 

Sure, most everyone in the Linux camp i ...   Heat/Light -- Open Does Matter   
Matt Benjamin
Jun 6, 1999, 22:02:27
 
wait a sec dude... he has a point... if  ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
John
Jun 6, 1999, 22:02:37
 
Mosty excellent points, except.

"So don ...   Re: Completely Missed the Point   
John Waalkes
Jun 6, 1999, 22:07:32
 
IMHO Metroworks are (mostly) in the wron ...   Meanings...   
Kelv
Jun 6, 1999, 22:19:49
 
Sounds like you work for REDHAT. Get RED ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Ron
Jun 6, 1999, 22:28:53
 
Another attack by some people in the Lin ...   Get on with it   
Scott
Jun 6, 1999, 22:42:56
 
With all that good quality gpl software, ...   why are you worried about commercial_software?   
mr mom
Jun 6, 1999, 22:48:04
 
This has been up before.  CodeWarrior wo ...   CodeWarrior NOT just Red Hat   
Charles Hixson
Jun 6, 1999, 22:50:12
 
ditto to Daryll's comments above. 

 ...   Re Darryll Strauss   
T. Martin
Jun 6, 1999, 22:57:17
 
Actually, it makes perfect sense. I' ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Ibbey
Jun 6, 1999, 23:09:43
 
Rather not ever try Red Hat. It sux w/fv ...   Rather Not:Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Tony Dean
Jun 6, 1999, 23:09:53
 
The issue here is not whether something  ...   It's not about will it WORK....is it supported   
David Crooke
Jun 6, 1999, 23:18:45
 
I sent the following mail to Metrowerks  ...   Responce from MetroWerks   
Alan
Jun 6, 1999, 23:29:13
 
It is very sad to see such practices com ...   sad to see this happening   
lid
Jun 6, 1999, 23:36:44
 
I personally believe that LSB will, shal ...   LSB is the way to go   
bgonzales
Jun 6, 1999, 23:53:00
 
So far RedHat has been the good guy. The ...   So far, so good   
Copice
Jun 6, 1999, 23:59:56
 
I think u have said what i have been say ...   RED HAT IS *NOT* LINUX   
YES I AGREEE
Jun 7, 1999, 00:02:59
 
U are so wrong. REDHAT SUCKS, it has man ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
DOWN WITH REDHAT
Jun 7, 1999, 00:06:38
 
What seems most poor about this decision ...   Re: Red Hat's not Linux   
Steve Baker
Jun 7, 1999, 00:21:13
 
Hrm...someone forgot their medication to ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Enahs
Jun 7, 1999, 00:26:32
 
Try running Code Warrior on different Li ...   Complain, Complain, Complain   
Ray
Jun 7, 1999, 00:31:08
 
I've been watching RedHat from the s ...   Time to Switch   
lulu lulu
Jun 7, 1999, 00:40:53
 
Ironic, you could also substitute Micros ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Abdul Nabi
Jun 7, 1999, 00:41:43
 
Some weeks ago, when I saw that Metrower ...   Why ?   
Philippe Rostaing Tayard
Jun 7, 1999, 00:42:59
 
I have read all 110 posts so far and man ...   Wake up you morons   
Alan
Jun 7, 1999, 00:48:58
 
1999:

Jim: Hey, Joe, check out this nea ...   The Platform Wars - Present and Future   
Luke Bogues
Jun 7, 1999, 00:50:40
 
Now, why isn't anyone whining about  ...   And only on INTEL!   
Dave
Jun 7, 1999, 00:51:34
 
It is sad to see all of this.  Not only  ...   A Sad trend   
Christopher Strong
Jun 7, 1999, 00:53:50
 
Since RedHat does not have a lock on the ...   The flames are premature   
tmg
Jun 7, 1999, 00:55:06
 
>This strongly suggests that there may b ...   HELLO? THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE ARTICLE IS WR   
_vSyncBomb
Jun 7, 1999, 00:56:27
 
it will run on any intel linux with glib ...   you're all dumb   
someone with a kloo
Jun 7, 1999, 01:20:03
 
So who's up to write a Red Hat emula ...   Red Hat emulator for linux   
Andreas Hatz
Jun 7, 1999, 01:35:53
 
Destro wars aside.. Linux is pritty much ...   Unreasonable   
Jeffery McLean
Jun 7, 1999, 01:39:05
 

I just had a look at /usr/doc/packages/ ...   SuSE "proprietary" stuff?   
J.W. Lockhart
Jun 7, 1999, 01:40:34
 
>Yes, everybody (almost) would agree it  ...   Response to vSyncBomb   
Mark Waterous
Jun 7, 1999, 01:59:48
 
That's why I use FreeBSD... Only one ...   No more Linux-isms!   
Hristo Grigorov
Jun 7, 1999, 02:33:05
 
> In the meantime, encourage Red Hat and ...   Linux distributions != "Entire Open Source Communi   
Eivind "Yes, my e-mail address works" Eklund
Jun 7, 1999, 02:55:54
 
I used Slackware for 3 years. Everithing ...   RED HAT is not Linux :)   
LinuxWizard
Jun 7, 1999, 03:08:25
 
OK, I'll design one... If I got it f ...   Re: An idea: T-shirt with   
Mathias
Jun 7, 1999, 03:41:28
 
> So who's up to write a Red Hat emu ...   Re: Red Hat emulator for linux   
Hannu Krosing
Jun 7, 1999, 03:49:05
 
RedHat anyway ? :-)
80$ are just too muc ...   Who is buying...   
abc
Jun 7, 1999, 03:56:24
 
CodeWarrior _does_ work on other distrib ...   CodeWarrior is being used to develop Quake.   
Joe
Jun 7, 1999, 04:15:30
 
Not that I find that rpm is a bad thing, ...   Tired with rpms...   
Fred M
Jun 7, 1999, 04:35:07
 
I see nothing wrong with MW only officia ...   Pointy Haired Bosses and IPOs   
warmenhoven
Jun 7, 1999, 05:24:34
 
I'm wondering how people is now cryi ...   Linux "compatibility"   
Debugger
Jun 7, 1999, 05:32:08
 
If Redhat is going to keep on moving in  ...   Raster's Dilema !   
Faisal Shahid
Jun 7, 1999, 06:04:52
 
The reason no one has done it is because ...   Re: If this is a problem...   
Patrick O'Hara
Jun 7, 1999, 06:19:54
 
"Rules for attaching a business"?

Who s ...   Re: Responses   
arafel
Jun 7, 1999, 06:35:35
 
While I dislike the Linux policies of so ...   porting to another distribution???   
Christian Zander
Jun 7, 1999, 06:42:53
 
There are lots of opinions making sence  ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
torgeir
Jun 7, 1999, 06:56:48
 
Redhat is in this for the money, not bec ...   Business is business   
Joel Morgan
Jun 7, 1999, 07:13:50
 
Right on the noggin, mate! ...   Exactly!   
Matt R. Busigin
Jun 7, 1999, 07:23:18
 
Sorry - can't get worked up about th ...   So what?   
Michael Thome
Jun 7, 1999, 07:33:31
 
> RedHat is merely one of many distribut ...   Response to Mark Waterous Re: Response to vSyncBom   
Paul D. Robertson
Jun 7, 1999, 07:34:40
 
Calm down!
In fighting will only make it ...   Baaa! Where do you want to go?   
Grahame Jordan
Jun 7, 1999, 07:35:41
 
Come on! This is all RedHat's fault? ...   Is it REALLY RH's responsibility?   
Ivan Samuelson
Jun 7, 1999, 07:47:06
 
If you want to have a say in Red Hat, bu ...   RedHat IPO, RPMS and stuff   
Paul D. Robertson
Jun 7, 1999, 07:52:53
 
Two comments from beyond the fence (your ...   MW picking one of the 39+ Linux OSes   
Hauke Fath
Jun 7, 1999, 08:23:16
 
The commentary below made by the guy who ...   crappy commentary   
sho
Jun 7, 1999, 08:27:09
 
Hi people. I use Slackware distribution  ...   Why RedHat?   
Ingo Hoffmann
Jun 7, 1999, 08:52:59
 
It kinda reminds me of Sanyo's Y2k C ...   Re: Stop the FUD; we get enough from Richmond   
Derek
Jun 7, 1999, 08:59:55
 
I could RedHat even consider such option ...   Outrageous   
cythraul
Jun 7, 1999, 09:07:56
 
> I dont think anyone has doubts about * ...   Re: Linux must learn from *BSD or it is nothing   
Bryan Ericson
Jun 7, 1999, 09:08:32
 
Yes, right. Time to switch to Debian my  ...   Re: More of the Same   
Hilaire Fernandes
Jun 7, 1999, 09:09:06
 
I was amazed and more than a little irri ...   RedHat priced ala Microsoft!   
Mike Hebel
Jun 7, 1999, 09:09:19
 
What Metroworks + Red Hat do to "the Lin ...   Unix(oid) is not Linux   
Ignatios Souvatzis
Jun 7, 1999, 09:10:12
 
This is absolutely amazing. The author o ...   Is this still an issue?   
Jason Fletcher
Jun 7, 1999, 09:12:07
 
No, this is not the answer to the fight  ...   Re: Baaa! Where do you want to go?   
Greyson Fischer
Jun 7, 1999, 09:16:26
 
Just to inform those who think Redhat is ...   Me again :)   
Derek
Jun 7, 1999, 09:19:49
 
I encountered the same problem with Trip ...   It's the principle..   
Ken Hughes
Jun 7, 1999, 10:23:03
 
one way to avoid the trouble, is to bypa ...   RedHat is not linux   
rougeau
Jun 7, 1999, 10:26:53
 
Au contraire, of course it makes sense.  ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
CS Lauritsen
Jun 7, 1999, 10:26:54
 
It goes to show you that when you get to ...   RED HAT $$$$$$$$$$   
jose
Jun 7, 1999, 10:33:05
 
It IS that easy to handle multiple distr ...   Re: Completely Missed the Point   
Ivan Moore
Jun 7, 1999, 11:01:56
 
There's a post "Alan - Responce from ...   Does anybody read?   
Weston
Jun 7, 1999, 11:09:49
 
Hell, with that sort of attitude, I' ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
daniel
Jun 7, 1999, 11:10:51
 
Just as we'd like to see vendors sup ...   Why RedHat First?   
Jonathan Hutchins
Jun 7, 1999, 11:18:06
 
One thing I see that would really help p ...   Re: If this is a problem...   
daniel
Jun 7, 1999, 11:22:26
 
I have already gotten rid of RedHat.  I& ...   Re: If they keep this up......   
Jose de Leon
Jun 7, 1999, 11:23:41
 
what is your problem? install redhat and ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Sean
Jun 7, 1999, 11:32:48
 
  Programs could easily be made to break ...   Re: Don't be silly   
Doug
Jun 7, 1999, 11:45:09
 
It won't be long before a 'Blueh ...   Support Bluehat Linux   
Josh
Jun 7, 1999, 11:49:24
 
It is NOT just that easy. Metrowerks has ...   Re: Re: Completely Missed the Point   
moazam
Jun 7, 1999, 12:21:37
 
I just think it's great MetroWorks c ...   Great   
mjuarez
Jun 7, 1999, 12:29:16
 

"... I hope others will see the danger  ...   What does IPO mean?   
Tiago Macambira
Jun 7, 1999, 12:34:55
 
Its people like this who create a redicu ...   Wah =~(   
Werld Static
Jun 7, 1999, 12:43:52
 
The purpose if business is to make a pro ...   The purpose of business   
Thomas
Jun 7, 1999, 13:03:29
 
Initial Public Offering ...   Re: What does IPO mean?   
werld static
Jun 7, 1999, 13:15:31
 
Is everyone forgetting the whole ideolog ...   F**K the LSB...   
Germ
Jun 7, 1999, 13:49:40
 
Arne has stated a lot of my objections o ...   Deirdre is not Arne   
Deirdre Saoirse
Jun 7, 1999, 14:39:01
 
RedHat might aswell come and take a -DEL ...   RedSplat Linux   
InfinX
Jun 7, 1999, 14:59:06
 
I've been predicting this for almost ...   Commercialization -- the death of Linux   
Wes Peters
Jun 7, 1999, 15:41:14
 
I e-mailed a complaint to them -- here i ...   metrowerk's response   
Ben Ford
Jun 7, 1999, 16:20:30
 
goback to Win95 and you have the same th ...   Then...   
Ejko Pejko
Jun 7, 1999, 16:25:28
 
redhat made leaps nobody else wanted to  ...   Re: F**K the LSB...   
shroom
Jun 7, 1999, 16:51:24
 
Because of there past successes and corp ...   Red Hat is full of themselves   
David Albrecht
Jun 7, 1999, 16:51:57
 
Actually, if you read it more closely, i ...   Re: Corel headed down this path as well   
Ben Ford
Jun 7, 1999, 16:57:20
 
I agree.  Stop being whiny people.  You  ...   Re: COMMERCIAL product!   
Ron
Jun 7, 1999, 17:16:52
 
Personally, I hate RedHat.
I started wit ...   The deal with Red Hat   
James Lamanna
Jun 7, 1999, 18:23:37
 
Anyone notice that both RedHat and Metro ...   Heh, duh?   
Zach
Jun 7, 1999, 18:31:05
 
SUSE has lost? To what? Redhat? Heh. Try ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Dave Solbes
Jun 7, 1999, 19:08:37
 
Corel will be basing their distro on Deb ...   Re: Corel headed down this path as well   
George Bonser
Jun 7, 1999, 19:26:39
 
And with all the wonderful bugs in Red H ...   Yup. I tend to agree...   
Xyverz
Jun 7, 1999, 21:37:07
 
As my subject say's I agree 100% Lin ...   I AGREE 100%   
thomas wickline
Jun 8, 1999, 01:36:45
 
This gets mucked up all the time. Of cou ...   So of course the issue is CS   
J.
Jun 8, 1999, 01:54:08
 
Its been my expierence (sp) that this is ...   this is RedHat...   
FuRR
Jun 8, 1999, 01:56:07
 
Because big business is moving in on the ...   big business   
Zeek
Jun 8, 1999, 02:31:52
 
Well, I agree. The nth-degree senario do ...   RedHat is not Linux.....   
Guyote
Jun 8, 1999, 04:36:03
 
Maybe the only way of fighting Micro$oft ...   fighting M$   
merou
Jun 8, 1999, 05:10:35
 
I didn't think it would happen so qu ...   The beginning of the end ?   
Alex
Jun 8, 1999, 06:33:32
 
Read Corel's FAQ again.  Corel state ...   Re: Corel headed down this path as well   
Randy Edwards
Jun 8, 1999, 06:44:51
 
What I don't understand whole thing  ...   Linux is business.   
Jeremy Hansen
Jun 8, 1999, 10:14:25
 
ISV's and Linux Community will need  ...   ISV's and Linux Community ...   
Alan
Jun 8, 1999, 11:25:20
 
All this fighting and backstabbing almos ...   get a life!   
Stargazer
Jun 8, 1999, 13:50:08
 
Yah, and SVR4 was supposed to solve all  ...   Welcome to the past   
Mark Baker
Jun 8, 1999, 22:18:05
 
OK. Let's do our own OS. I already h ...   Re: get a life!   
Alex
Jun 9, 1999, 06:39:11
 
So, Linux having hit the big time, you p ...   What did you expect?   
David Paschall-Zimbel
Jun 9, 1999, 12:37:17
 
Whats all the fuss? Anyone who really kn ...   Re: Open Source   
Matt Willman
Jun 9, 1999, 14:28:03
 
I agree with Richard Simpson's comme ...   Linux is not RedHat   
Scott Albright
Jun 9, 1999, 18:07:04
 
I think the point was inevitable because ...   Re: Resolution has occured   
punkball
Jun 10, 1999, 12:21:18
 
I agree Red Hat needs to slow down they  ...   Slow down Red Hat   
Mathew
Jun 10, 1999, 14:07:09
 
Bashing Red Hat, or Metrowerks, over thi ...   Red Hat Bashing   
Johan
Jun 10, 1999, 23:55:05
 
You're quite right in making the sta ...   Red Hat = Linux   
Steve Keate
Jun 11, 1999, 22:17:41
 
wow, that sounds like what a microsoft r ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   
Jeff Satterfield
Jun 13, 1999, 17:32:49
 
even though i use slackware as well as f ...   Re: If they keep this up......   
stan broniszewski
Jun 16, 1999, 14:05:06
 
 If I were a MS Windows user thinking of ...   Please Stop The Fighting!   
Mike
Jul 24, 1999, 19:08:56
 
I am in total agreement with those who w ...   Red Hat   
Ron Oliva
Aug 30, 1999, 12:25:39
 
Why switch to redhat if you're happi ...   Re: MAKES NO SENSE   

Dec 14, 1999, 12:45:41
 
Umm...no.  Just because a company "wins" ...   Makes TOTAL sense!!   
Enlightened Linux User
Jun 22, 2002, 16:58:21
 
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