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:LWN: ESR to Linus on "the curse of the gifted"
LWN: ESR to Linus on "the curse of the gifted"
Aug 28, 2000, 17 :10 UTC (53 Talkback[s]) (9949 reads)

(Other stories by Eric Raymond)

[ Thanks to Ostracus for this link. ]

"...When you were in college, did you ever meet bright kids who graduated top of their class in high-school and then floundered freshman year in college because they had never learned how to study? It's a common trap. A friend of mine calls it "the curse of the gifted" -- a tendency to lean on your native ability too much, because you've always been rewarded for doing that and self-discipline would take actual work."

"You are a brilliant implementor, more able than me and possibly (I say this after consideration, and in all seriousness) the best one in the Unix tradition since Ken Thompson himself. As a consequence, you suffer the curse of the gifted programmer -- you lean on your ability so much that you've never learned to value certain kinds of coding self-discipline and design craftsmanship that lesser mortals *must* develop in order to handle the kind of problem complexity you eat for breakfast."

"Your tendency to undervalue modularization and code-sharing is one symptom. Another is your refusal to use systematic version-control or release-engineering practices. To you, these things seem mostly like overhead and a way of needlessly complicating your life. And so far, your strategy has worked; your natural if relatively undisciplined ability has proved more than equal to the problems you have set it. That success predisposes you to relatively sloppy tactics like splitting drivers before you ought to and using your inbox as a patch queue."

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to be lecturing Linus on the fine point  ...   how arrogant of esr...   
RealisticBoy
Aug 28, 2000, 17:18:48
 
> to be lecturing Linus on the fine poin ...   Re: how arrogant of esr...   
David Wollmann
Aug 28, 2000, 17:29:21
 
I could not agree more. But perhaps the  ...   Completely in Agreement   
David Ashley
Aug 28, 2000, 17:32:49
 
Yes, we all know about great high school ...   Degrees of gifted?   
Brandioch Conner
Aug 28, 2000, 17:35:56
 
In fact, he's not lecturing him abou ...   Re: how arrogant of esr   
Alastor
Aug 28, 2000, 17:41:11
 
I have no where near the experience (I h ...   Re: Arrogant   
Spud
Aug 28, 2000, 17:42:53
 
ESR,

You once told RMS to shut up and ...   shut up and show them the code   
tony stanco
Aug 28, 2000, 17:45:47
 
If Linus Torvalds has the "curse of the  ...   The curse of...   
David F. Skoll
Aug 28, 2000, 17:47:27
 
No, on two counts.
First, ESR's pos ...   Re: how arrogant of esr...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Aug 28, 2000, 17:51:50
 
I have to say that clean code is ALWAYS  ...   In agreement with ESR   
Dave
Aug 28, 2000, 17:58:35
 
What's missing here is the context.  ...   Out of context   
steve
Aug 28, 2000, 18:02:13
 
> I could not agree more. But perhaps th ...   What the...(was Re: Completely in Agreement)   
Rob Knapp
Aug 28, 2000, 18:02:40
 
> I could not agree more. But perhaps th ...   Re: Completely in Agreement   
Adam
Aug 28, 2000, 18:04:14
 
Is it arrogant to criticize your leaders ...   re:how arrogant of esr   
Jim Flynn
Aug 28, 2000, 18:05:23
 
over the control of the Linux kernel?
I ...   Is there a powerplay going on in the background...   
Jerry Kreps
Aug 28, 2000, 18:08:01
 
Linus states:
> But the "common code he ...   Linus is right on this one   
Anil Wang
Aug 28, 2000, 18:14:42
 
> For ESR, for Alan Cox and for a select ...   Re: Re: how arrogant of esr...   
RealisticBoy
Aug 28, 2000, 18:19:17
 
"If Linus Torvalds has the "curse of the ...   RE:The curse of...   
?
Aug 28, 2000, 18:23:40
 
It was inappropriate when you made the c ...   my inappropriate comment-re: shut up and show them   
tony stanco
Aug 28, 2000, 18:24:28
 
Those complaining about open source code ...   Open source code quality   
steve
Aug 28, 2000, 18:36:04
 
Here's what Linus has to say in the  ...   Linus comment style   
Art Cancro
Aug 28, 2000, 19:01:06
 
> Icaza recently declared that "Unix Suc ...   Re: Is there a powerplay going on in the backgrou   
Stefan Davis
Aug 28, 2000, 19:02:38
 
"Trying to debug or enhance most of this ...   Re: Completely in Agreement   
Doug Bostrom
Aug 28, 2000, 19:06:19
 
> > For ESR, for Alan Cox and for a sele ...   Re: Re: Re: how arrogant of esr...   
Toby Haynes
Aug 28, 2000, 19:11:02
 
I have to agree with Linus, overcommenti ...   Re: Linus comment style   
steve
Aug 28, 2000, 19:11:45
 
> Take special note of the appearance of ...   ESR claiming credit for Emacs? Where's RMS   
RealisticBoy
Aug 28, 2000, 19:17:30
 
This is kinda normal guys.  Linux will n ...   Don't read into this too much.   
Damon C. Richardson
Aug 28, 2000, 19:20:48
 
Somewhat off-topic, but related...

I  ...   Free software and documentation   
David F. Skoll
Aug 28, 2000, 19:34:10
 
Instead, put the comments at the head of ...   Re: Linus comment style   
Ted Clark
Aug 28, 2000, 19:58:44
 
...while it is true that ESR was program ...   Of course...   
engineer_scotty
Aug 28, 2000, 20:09:45
 

> Here's what Linus has to say in  ...   Re: Linus comment style   
Rob Knapp
Aug 28, 2000, 20:30:18
 
> > Take special note of the appearance  ...   Re: ESR claiming credit for Emacs? Where's   
Michael Kwong
Aug 28, 2000, 20:35:11
 
I hate to say this (and I fully expect t ...   Getting Customer Commitment   
W. David Ashley
Aug 28, 2000, 20:39:57
 
While these comments are appropriate for ...   Consider the Medium!   
Howard B. Golden
Aug 28, 2000, 20:42:35
 
I believe "releasing often" refers to re ...   Re: Getting Customer Commitment   
steve
Aug 28, 2000, 20:54:26
 
I tried to e-mail ESR with respect to hi ...   My Experience with ESR   
PenguinHead
Aug 28, 2000, 21:09:09
 
CVS is not a development methodology, it ...   Re: Re: Getting Customer Commitment   
W. David Ashley
Aug 28, 2000, 21:13:15
 
All I am saying is that the open source  ...   Re: Re: Re: Getting Customer Commitment   
Ted Clark
Aug 28, 2000, 22:18:19
 
Looks an awful lot like a snit fit to me ...   Re: Don't read into this too much.   
Omar
Aug 28, 2000, 22:56:03
 
Aren't you bored with ESR, his ego,  ...   bored with raymond   
Jamie Redknapp
Aug 28, 2000, 23:09:17
 
> left-wing libertarian

Perhaps your  ...   Re: My Experience with ESR   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Aug 28, 2000, 23:37:29
 
Left wing libertarians existed long befo ...   re: Dinotrac: Left wing libertarians   
Paulo Wanchope
Aug 28, 2000, 23:55:38
 
> CVS is not a development methodology,  ...   Re: Re: Re: Getting Customer Commitment   
steve
Aug 29, 2000, 01:02:35
 
This has nothing to do with free softwar ...   Re: bored with raymond   
Ted Clark
Aug 29, 2000, 01:16:06
 
Yes, I have to finally agree that this w ...   Re: Re: Is there a powerplay going on in the back   
ClosedSourceGuy
Aug 29, 2000, 01:31:12
 
>I have never taken any courses in compu ...   From ESR's resume:   
A. C.
Aug 29, 2000, 02:56:02
 
>> Take special note of the appearance o ...   "RealisticBoy" is a 12-year-old M$ troll.   
Wolfrider
Aug 29, 2000, 07:54:45
 
My mentioning www.esr.org was just a jok ...   For those that didn't get it...   
Wolfrider
Aug 29, 2000, 08:09:15
 
I think Eric's comments are delicate ...   Open Source methodology vs Commerical software   
Joe Black
Aug 29, 2000, 12:45:33
 
The bottom line is that both Eric and Li ...   when sibblings eat each other   
Frank V. Castellucci
Aug 29, 2000, 15:13:04
 
True or False. Yes or No:

Do ALL comp ...   Yeah! I don't read ClosedSourceGuy or ESR eith   
Rodney Quaye
Aug 29, 2000, 17:14:56
 
Maybe we should step back from the perso ...   Just what is best for Linux?   
farli
Aug 29, 2000, 17:28:55
 
Paolo:
Thank you for the link.
You did ...   Re: re: Dinotrac: Left wing libertarians   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Aug 30, 2000, 03:32:35
 
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