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:Richard Stallman: KDE Followup
Richard Stallman: KDE Followup
Sep 11, 2000, 12 :28 UTC (59 Talkback[s]) (25204 reads)

(Other stories by Richard Stallman)

By Richard Stallman

Until recently, I regarded KDE as causing a problem for our community. The release of Qt under the GPL solved that problem, and now I have no reason to be against KDE. I am not against KDE, though I am still for GNOME. A few days ago I wrote an article to say so. My reward was a string of tirades.

KDE is not a problem now, but there are possible problems for some parts of KDE in regard to use of the GPL. I believe these problems can be solved, and since I am not against KDE, I would like them to be solved. So I pointed them out, and then did what I could to help solve them in order to ask others to cooperate in solving them.

There is no hostility towards KDE in any of this, and there was none in my article. But a number of people seem to have read hostility into it--in effect misunderstanding it by 180 degrees.

Many readers misunderstood details of the article as well, seeing attacks where there were none. Some saw my pointing out a correctable problem for KDE as an attack on KDE. Some saw hostility in my GNOME "team cheer", but the point was just the opposite: trying to outdo the other team and win the match is not hostility.

Meanwhile, everything I said that was well-disposed or helpful was disregarded, or perhaps not accurately perceived. Some readers managed to find an insult in my use of the word "forgiveness". I mentioned the possibility that GNOME and KDE could be merged, and yet received criticism for not suggesting it.

I think that these readers read my article through a filter of defensiveness, and they read into the article the hostility they were looking for.

Some people denied that KDE had ever used FSF-copyrighted code, treating the matter as an accusation. But I was concerned with clearing away a possible problem for KDE, not making an accusation. I don't know what code is in KDE, and maybe it does not contain FSF-copyrighted code, but that isn't the point anyway. The point is to say, "If it does have any FSF-copyrighted code, that is now ok."

KDE developers have argued that all they need to do, to solve these problems where they exist, is rewrite and replace the affected code. They are right--that would solve the problem. But while writing the article, I felt that there was no reason to make them take that trouble. We can save them the trouble simply by saying, "It is ok now for KDE to use our code". I asked everyone to extend that cooperation to KDE, and did so myself to set an example. (Some people attacked me for doing this publicly; sure I could have done it privately, but that wouldn't have encouraged other people to do likewise.)

The hardest problem is probably Kghostview, because we have lost contact with the author of Ghostview. Two months ago I was trying to find Tim Theisen to ask him to enforce the GPL on Ghostview, but I could not find him. Now I would ask him to declare that Kghostview is ok, but I still have not found him. If anyone can find Tim Theisen, please put me in touch with him.

By the way, there is no need to worry about contributors who provided small bits of code (up to ten or fifteen lines), because at that size they don't make a significant legal issue.

False accusations are an injustice; here they can also lead to serious problems for the community. It would be a shame to have conflict between GNOME developers and KDE developers now that it is unnecessary. I hope that KDE developers and fans will put aside their hostility, as I put aside mine a week ago.

Copyright 2000 Richard Stallman
Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article are permitted in any medium, provided the copyright notice and this notice are preserved.

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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Well, well.  I admire Mr Stallman for hi ...   Ho Hum   
caveman
Sep 11, 2000, 12:45:45
 
Well, well.  I admire Mr Stallman for hi ...   Ho Hum   
caveman
Sep 11, 2000, 12:46:48
 
>I don't know what code is in KDE, a ...   I don't know what code is in KDE   
User73
Sep 11, 2000, 13:02:14
 
> The "forgiveness" thing was really a h ...   Re: Ho Hum   
Rob Knapp
Sep 11, 2000, 13:02:26
 
It seems to be a common theme these days ...   Yawn   
kgf
Sep 11, 2000, 13:10:06
 
Well I am a KDE fan and I wasn't hos ...   Ah   
Robert
Sep 11, 2000, 13:14:49
 
Good news and bad news.

Good news:
R ...   OK.   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 11, 2000, 13:17:16
 
It's ease to say misunderstanding.
 ...   misunderstading or mistalking ?   
thilor
Sep 11, 2000, 13:30:18
 
I know that I don't have a thick eno ...   This is very good of RMS   
Daniel
Sep 11, 2000, 13:51:02
 
Getting that kind of response out of RMS ...   I hope that's the end of it.   
Mark Grant
Sep 11, 2000, 13:54:42
 
He cares more for the sanctity of his GP ...   I finally get the picture   
AC
Sep 11, 2000, 13:56:20
 
> 
> Match the two desktops on code pro ...   Re: I hope that's the end of it.   
L. D.
Sep 11, 2000, 14:30:24
 
There are still few outstanding mysterie ...   outstanding mysteries   
Forge
Sep 11, 2000, 14:38:52
 
"He cares more for the sanctity of his G ...   RE: I finally get the picture   
Ben Ritchie
Sep 11, 2000, 14:53:02
 
This was a very thoughtful and mature pi ...   Richard Stallman's style   
ClosedSourceGuy
Sep 11, 2000, 14:57:05
 
> It's ease to say misunderstanding. ...   Re: misunderstading or mistalking ?   
JEDIDIAH
Sep 11, 2000, 15:20:55
 
I'm glad to see RMS taking time to c ...   Clarification   
James E. LaBarre
Sep 11, 2000, 15:23:34
 
But are actually too young to be very fl ...   Some people think they speak english   
English Speaker
Sep 11, 2000, 15:37:51
 
> But are actually too young to be very  ...   Re: Some people think they speak english   
Kent Nguyen
Sep 11, 2000, 16:18:40
 
My God! Why does there have to be a winn ...   Re: Re: I hope that's the end of it.   
Stuart Ballard
Sep 11, 2000, 16:43:47
 
The facts of the matter is:

It really ...   Re: outstanding mysteries   
blowfish
Sep 11, 2000, 17:04:49
 
      I was never against RMS just his d ...   Legal speak is not english   
James
Sep 11, 2000, 17:06:04
 
What was someone saying earlier about th ...   Re: Re: Re: I hope that's the end of it.   
Ben
Sep 11, 2000, 17:23:45
 
The term "forgiveness" in this context i ...   forgiveness   
Peter R
Sep 11, 2000, 17:34:49
 
Why hasn't RMS actually gone after s ...   GPL has never been tested   
quad
Sep 11, 2000, 17:53:09
 
FYI and those who thinks like you.

Ac ...   Speaking of speaking English.   
blowfish
Sep 11, 2000, 17:55:06
 
> There are still few outstanding myster ...   Re: outstanding mysteries   
J. J. Ramsey
Sep 11, 2000, 17:55:37
 
I am glad RMS has tried to calm things d ...   Sanity at last?   
Alan Kitchen
Sep 11, 2000, 18:07:56
 
Blowfish,

Please spend a few minutes  ...   blowfish   
Tim Dion
Sep 11, 2000, 18:15:33
 
Can't we let this "forgiveness" thin ...   Re: Re: outstanding mysteries--enough of this forg   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 11, 2000, 18:26:17
 
> Blowfish,
> 
> Please spend a few mi ...   Re: blowfish   
ClosedSourceGuy
Sep 11, 2000, 20:21:03
 
I know Linuxtoday is *not* Slashdot.

 ...   Re: blowfish   
blowfish
Sep 11, 2000, 21:04:33
 
ClosedSourceGuy,

Based on your nickna ...   Re: Re: blowfish   
Tim Dion
Sep 11, 2000, 21:30:49
 
All of you posters who find your ways to ...   You make me sick   
Rafael
Sep 11, 2000, 21:50:19
 
Gee... Thanks for your positive comments ...   Re: Re: blowfish   
blowfish
Sep 11, 2000, 21:55:47
 
>With regard to China, entry into the WT ...   Re: Re: Re: blowfish   
blowfish
Sep 11, 2000, 22:18:07
 
> Why I think the GPL might not stands u ...   Re: Re: blowfish   
Alec Walker
Sep 11, 2000, 22:34:17
 
> Although  it doesn't seem that way ...   Re: Re: Re: outstanding mysteries--enough of this   
J. J. Ramsey
Sep 11, 2000, 22:39:50
 
You are entitled to exercise your freedo ...   Re: You make me sick   
blowfish
Sep 11, 2000, 22:43:10
 
> Now while I'd consider it unlikely ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: outstanding mysteries--enough of t   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 11, 2000, 22:56:26
 
> The world and the human race would be  ...   Re: Re: You make me sick   
Daniel
Sep 11, 2000, 23:23:16
 
now that stallman has asked forgiveness  ...   stallman asks forgiveness   
frank
Sep 11, 2000, 23:40:04
 
The GPL is so strong that when RMS goes  ...   quad is wrong   
Joe Buck
Sep 11, 2000, 23:53:42
 
> > The world and the human race would b ...   Re: Re: Re: You make me sick   
blowfish
Sep 12, 2000, 00:17:01
 
> > > The world and the human race would ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: You make me sick   
Ostracus
Sep 12, 2000, 02:10:15
 
> There are still few outstanding myster ...   Re: outstanding mysteries   
klnW
Sep 12, 2000, 02:14:40
 
> now that stallman has asked forgivenes ...   Re: stallman asks forgiveness   
J. J. Ramsey
Sep 12, 2000, 03:50:25
 
what is this "problem" people have on si ...   Re: Re: Re: I hope that's the end of it.   
L.D.
Sep 12, 2000, 04:06:33
 
> #3. Since the GPL grants a fresh licen ...   Re: Re: outstanding mysteries   
Anthony Youngman
Sep 12, 2000, 08:19:29
 
>And I assumed it meant "once you've ...   Re: Re: Re: outstanding mysteries   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Sep 12, 2000, 14:10:15
 
  Reading this again and again, I think  ...   Are we just fanatics???   
ioan gartner
Sep 12, 2000, 15:37:10
 
According to the United States Internet  ...   Re: Speaking of speaking English.   
Jim
Sep 13, 2000, 00:59:54
 
>Some saw hostility in my GNOME "team ch ...   Doesn't get it   
a name
Sep 13, 2000, 03:16:14
 
I think you are right.

This talk abou ...   Re: Are we just fanatics???   
Magnus
Sep 13, 2000, 06:21:48
 
>> The "forgiveness" thing was really a  ...   Re: Re: Ho Hum   
daniel
Sep 13, 2000, 08:52:54
 
> 
> if someone tells me to "begg for f ...   Re: Re: Re: Ho Hum   
Alex Berkman
Sep 14, 2000, 05:07:43
 
Damn people's damn perceptions! FSF  ...   Re: Yawn   
extrasolar
Sep 15, 2000, 19:50:54
 
I have read all the articals on the abov ...   F-en drop it!!!   
Jared Lyvers
Sep 16, 2000, 17:25:57
 
Reading through these comments, I feel t ...   A flame becomes a serious discussion   
Martin
Nov 15, 2000, 22:54:00
 
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