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:LinuxPlanet: Lou's Views: KDE vs. Ximian
LinuxPlanet: Lou's Views: KDE vs. Ximian
Feb 13, 2001, 16 :47 UTC (55 Talkback[s]) (9092 reads)

(Other stories by Lou Grinzo)

"As I see it, there are really three sides to this mess: Ximian, KDE, and the KDE- and Qt-related companies, like theKompany.com and Trolltech. The third group has the most reason to be outraged. If I worked for one of them, particularly Trolltech, a company that has been and continues to be beat up over a long-dead licensing issue, and had nothing to do with this situation, I'd be just about ready to pop a vein my forehead. Notice that Trolltech wasn't dragged into this by implication (KDE is written using their Qt framework), but directly: One of the ad words Ximian rented on Google is "trolltech", which as of 10:20PM Monday night (east coast US) was still triggering the Ximian "Free Linux Desktop" ad and link, but was ad-free Tuesday morning. I've had considerable contact with Haavard Nord and Aron Kozak of Trolltech, and they're very classy, level-headed people, which only makes this situation an even clearer case of "when bad things happen to good people", and that much more distasteful."

"Before we give in to the temptation to stroll too far down the righteous indignation path, let's step back and take the long view of things. Here we have Linux and its band of brave knights making phenomenal inroads into Fortress Microsoft, deeper and faster than almost anyone (including yours truly) had predicted. But instead of focusing our collective resources on that goal, a fistfight suddenly breaks out between two of the most important knights, and for a particularly stupid reason. One can only imagine what King Bill, perched in his golden tower, thinks as he peers down on this scene, and how easily his Royal PR Machine can turn this to his advantage. (OK, I'll stop straining the ye olde metaphor; you get the point.)..."

"Finally, it's worth pointing out that this in-fighting is not only wasteful and silly, but it's amateurish. One side buys ad words for another's trademarks on a search engine? Oh puh-leeze. Wait until Microsoft is fully engaged in fighting Linux (and I guarantee you they've barely started), and they start unleashing things far more subtle and more effective than this or Steve Balmer's occasional back-handed swipes at Linux. Then we'll see just how hard hardball can get. But that's OK, we'll be ready to handle it, thanks to the rigorous PR warfare training we've had in AdGate."

Complete Story

Related Stories:
SECOND UPDATE: Ximian CEO Defends Google AdWords Campaign, Will Not Create New Ads(Feb 13, 2001)
KDE-Related Organizations Express Anger Over Ximian Search-Engine Ads (Feb 13, 2001)
Kurt Granroth and Andreas Pour: "Business Ethics" in the Open Source Community?(Feb 12, 2001)


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Ok, Lou, I'm with you about 33% of t ...   Well, Lou, sort of...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 13, 2001, 17:05:24
 
Consider the comments yesterday on dot.k ...   Sad Episode   
Ron Calla
Feb 13, 2001, 17:31:06
 
Dean, I fail to see how this is a tradem ...   Dean: Trademark   
Degan
Feb 13, 2001, 17:32:15
 
Dean,

As I said in the article, I thi ...   Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Lou Grinzo
Feb 13, 2001, 17:35:54
 
You aren't kidding about Microsoft p ...   Just How Hard Hardball!   
Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB
Feb 13, 2001, 17:37:02
 
> Ok, Lou, I'm with you about 33% of ...   Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Jean Francois Martinez
Feb 13, 2001, 17:44:37
 
> 
> The knew jerk reaction of our comm ...   Re: Sad Episode   
yougrowup!
Feb 13, 2001, 17:44:55
 
I started with fvwm.  Then I decided I l ...   The "Great Debate"   
Dennis Soper
Feb 13, 2001, 17:49:41
 
> Dean,
> 
> As I said in the article, ...   Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
John Rideway
Feb 13, 2001, 17:52:10
 
I must have misunderstood the original a ...   Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Dean Panell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 13, 2001, 17:52:52
 
Actually, I was surprised by the comment ...   It wasn't merely about advertising.   
Mark Grant
Feb 13, 2001, 17:56:28
 
"Still, this in-fighting is a waste of p ...   Please stop   
J.D.
Feb 13, 2001, 17:56:38
 
> Dean, I fail to see how this is a trad ...   Re: Dean: Trademark   
Dean Panell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 13, 2001, 18:00:36
 
> > 
> > The knew jerk reaction of our  ...   Re: Re: Sad Episode   
Ron Calla
Feb 13, 2001, 18:01:31
 
 
> You raise an excellent point.  I wo ...   Re: Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
jj
Feb 13, 2001, 18:04:02
 
Why is this "debate" even important?  I  ...   why?   
john
Feb 13, 2001, 18:04:27
 
This is, sadly, just one of the most vis ...   Re: Just How Hard Hardball!   
Lou Grinzo
Feb 13, 2001, 18:05:37
 
> Helloooo?  Why could it not be solved  ...   Re: Re: Re: Sad Episode   
yougrowup!
Feb 13, 2001, 18:17:59
 
I would be far more productive to FIRST  ...   Re: Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
David Johnson
Feb 13, 2001, 18:26:30
 
Dean: on one of the many earlier stories ...   Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Sean
Feb 13, 2001, 18:54:17
 
When I read about this yesterday, I real ...   pathetic   
daniel w
Feb 13, 2001, 18:54:52
 
Agreed it's not that big a deal, the ...   Another Ximian Apologist - Re: pathetic   
ilovegnome
Feb 13, 2001, 19:06:05
 
> It is... but not by kde.org.  It's ...   Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 13, 2001, 19:17:41
 
This is what's called "advertising"  ...   Spray painting their door? bull!   
Julian Morrison
Feb 13, 2001, 19:29:36
 
These ads DON'T eliminate the normal ...   Does anyone actually READ?   
Jonathan
Feb 13, 2001, 19:59:43
 

	I fail to understand this hullabaloo a ...   Why o why?   
JCA
Feb 13, 2001, 20:13:56
 
> These ads DON'T eliminate the norm ...   Another Ximian Apologist - Re: Does anyone actuall   
ilovegnome
Feb 13, 2001, 20:20:13
 
Trademarks are also awarded by use in a  ...   Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Shawn Gordon
Feb 13, 2001, 20:43:52
 
> Why do you have to defend Ximian and d ...   Re: Another Ximian Apologist - Re: Does anyone   
Andrew
Feb 13, 2001, 20:48:01
 
>So, that brings us to another problem.  ...   Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Feb 13, 2001, 20:52:30
 
I'll just come right out and say it. ...   Aw, what the heck   
peter penguin
Feb 13, 2001, 20:53:12
 
Why do you have to defend Ximian and del ...   Re: Another Ximian Apologist   
Andrew Johnson
Feb 13, 2001, 20:58:13
 
You are right!  It is not hard to believ ...   Re: Re: Another Ximian Apologist - Re: Does any   
ilovegnome
Feb 13, 2001, 21:01:54
 
Your right! It doesn't differ at all ...   Re: Re: Another Ximian Apologist   
Ilovegnome
Feb 13, 2001, 21:07:06
 
> Wrong.  You don't need to register ...   Re: Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Sean
Feb 13, 2001, 21:14:56
 
> Plus, as you know, only a legal entity ...   Legal status of KDE   
Richard Moore
Feb 13, 2001, 21:41:30
 
> Well then you know that an unregistere ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Well, Lou, sort of...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 13, 2001, 21:50:37
 

Put up, or shut up.
 ...   KDE legal action re: trademarks   
Anon
Feb 13, 2001, 22:09:07
 
Is this all you can say? Go download KDE ...   Re: KDE legal action re: trademarks   
Dan
Feb 13, 2001, 23:14:35
 
You hit the nail right on the head! you  ...   Re: Re: Re: Another Ximian Apologist   
L.D.
Feb 13, 2001, 23:27:40
 
>You hit the nail right on the head! you ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Another Ximian Apologist   
mattwb
Feb 13, 2001, 23:43:05
 
Thank you for agreeing with me! your hel ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another Ximian Apologist   
L.D.
Feb 13, 2001, 23:58:21
 
> I don't think they've ever pre ...   Goodbye Ximian - Another Ximian Apologist   
ilovegnome
Feb 13, 2001, 23:58:44
 
Look, I don't use X much.
The adver ...   Given that I don't give a tinker's dam...   
Ed Craig
Feb 14, 2001, 00:23:45
 
>Thank you for agreeing with me! your he ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another Ximian Apologist   
mattwb
Feb 14, 2001, 00:26:39
 
>Yep, just like 'em, and no, I'm ...   Re: Goodbye Ximian - Another Ximian Apologist   
mattwb
Feb 14, 2001, 00:28:10
 
> >Yep, just like 'em, and no, I&#39 ...   Re: Re: Goodbye Ximian - Another Ximian Apologist   
ilovegnome
Feb 14, 2001, 00:36:23
 
> >Yep, just like 'em, and no, I&#39 ...   Re: Re: Goodbye Ximian - Another Ximian Apologist   
Jim Kirk, Spock
Feb 14, 2001, 00:48:16
 
>HA! finally some wit around here! 

I ...   Re: Re: Re: Goodbye Ximian - Another Ximian Apolog   
mattwb
Feb 14, 2001, 00:55:08
 
Wow, aren't *you* a nice guy? With c ...   So sad... Re: Re: Re: Goodbye Ximian - Another Xim   
anon
Feb 14, 2001, 01:15:10
 
> >HA! finally some wit around here! 
> ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Goodbye Ximian - Another Ximian Ap   
ilovegnome
Feb 14, 2001, 01:18:20
 
ANON, are you the Anon that likes Ximian ...   Re: So sad... Re: Re: Re: Goodbye Ximian - Another   
L.D.
Feb 14, 2001, 02:19:01
 
On the web, in banner AD's on the sa ...   Both enviroments can co-exist   
Kevin Hudson
Feb 14, 2001, 03:17:46
 
This kind of nonsense reminds me of the  ...   Mustangs vs. Camaros   
Mel
Feb 14, 2001, 08:34:14
 
The paramount issue here is free speech, ...   Long Live Free Speech   
John Califf
Feb 14, 2001, 19:30:31
 
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