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:Microsoft SDK license disallows the use of "viral software"
Microsoft SDK license disallows the use of "viral software"
Jun 20, 2001, 22 :56 UTC (167 Talkback[s]) (32523 reads)

(Other stories by Microsoft)

[ Thanks to Andy Tai for this link. ]

This is an interesting enough development: the SDK license agreement for Microsoft's Mobile Internet Toolkit (Beta 2) reiterates Microsoft's opposition to open source/Free Software (with the notable exception of the BSD license), claiming that they'll "create, or purport to create, obligations for Microsoft with respect to the Software or (y) grant, or purport to grant, to any third party any rights to or immunities under Microsoft's intellectual property or proprietary rights in the Software. " This includes not being allowed to use open source/Free Software development tools in conjunction with the SDK, according to this EULA.

The license for Microsoft Mobile Internet Toolkit Beta 2 contains the following section:

"(c) Open Source. Recipient's license rights to the Software are conditioned upon Recipient (i) not distributing such Software, in whole or in part, in conjunction with Potentially Viral Software (as defined below); and (ii) not using Potentially Viral Software (e.g. tools) to develop Recipient software which includes the Software, in whole or in part. For purposes of the foregoing, "Potentially Viral Software" means software which is licensed pursuant to terms that: (x) create, or purport to create, obligations for Microsoft with respect to the Software or (y) grant, or purport to grant, to any third party any rights to or immunities under Microsoft's intellectual property or proprietary rights in the Software.

By way of example but not limitation of the foregoing, Recipient shall not distribute the Software, in whole or in part, in conjunction with any Publicly Available Software.

"Publicly Available Software" means each of (i) any software that contains, or is derived in any manner (in whole or in part) from, any software that is distributed as free software, open source software (e.g. Linux) or similar licensing or distribution models; and (ii) any software that requires as a condition of use, modification and/or distribution of such software that other software distributed with such software (A) be disclosed or distributed in source code form; (B) be licensed for the purpose of making derivative works; or (C) be redistributable at no charge. Publicly Available Software includes, without limitation, software licensed or distributed under any of the following licenses or distribution models, or licenses or distribution models similar to any of the following: (A) GNU's General Public License (GPL) or Lesser/Library GPL (LGPL), (B) The Artistic License (e.g., PERL), (C) the Mozilla Public License, (D) the Netscape Public License, (E) the Sun Community Source License (SCSL), and (F) the Sun Industry Standards License (SISL)."


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
...is there anybody rushing to use MS SD ...   Why?...   
Alessandro Coppo
Jun 20, 2001, 23:14:54
 
It seems that microsoft changes it's ...   microsoft can't make its mind up   
Harold
Jun 20, 2001, 23:19:46
 
They are in a partial monopoly with a U. ...   Can't Blame them   
anonymous
Jun 20, 2001, 23:21:12
 
ANGRY ANGRY.

Maybe I was angry before ...   Bill is shrill   
Mega Maniacal
Jun 20, 2001, 23:27:40
 
Microsoft should take out all GPL code t ...   take out the OS code bill..   
Harold
Jun 20, 2001, 23:32:09
 
Damn. Much more difficult to understand  ...   Get yourself a lawyer first   
Case Roole
Jun 20, 2001, 23:32:31
 
in IT shops that have standardized on MS ...   MS is trying to forestall Linux infiltration from   
martin puzzletwit
Jun 20, 2001, 23:34:32
 
Did anyone notice the "approved hosters" ...   Full text, in a readable format   
Brian
Jun 20, 2001, 23:45:19
 
> The other thing is that this actually  ...   Re: MS is at least consistant?!?   
Trimtab
Jun 20, 2001, 23:49:58
 
Does this cover using  ...   Are they targeting WINE?   
Rob
Jun 20, 2001, 23:51:47
 
... that they've used the EULA of th ...   Not the first time...   
Andrew Johnson
Jun 20, 2001, 23:58:18
 
This is great news! Microsoft is forcing ...   Painting themselves into a corner   
Ganesh Prasad
Jun 21, 2001, 00:02:57
 
I'm assuming that either the toolkit ...   Are they going after AOL?   
Alec Walker
Jun 21, 2001, 00:03:20
 
OK GPL requires that the source code sho ...   I wonder if this is legal.   
SM
Jun 21, 2001, 00:11:56
 
Usually, SDKs like this contain sample c ...   Standard copyright   
Tim Dion
Jun 21, 2001, 00:19:52
 
Careful with that "Licencse" Billy, don& ...   careful Billy   
gman
Jun 21, 2001, 00:29:40
 
Someone wrote:

> The other thing is t ...   MS being consistent?   
engineer_scotty
Jun 21, 2001, 00:33:04
 
When I read this article I see that Micr ...   Read M$ loasing battle for the future.   
Gerald Neale
Jun 21, 2001, 00:34:18
 
Microsoft will soon revise and redeploy  ...   This is only the beginning   
Bakody
Jun 21, 2001, 00:36:35
 
My guess is they're doing this not s ...   I think it's just FUD...   
Sean Clark
Jun 21, 2001, 00:40:11
 
> Well its not really going to affect mu ...   Re: Re: Can't Blame them   
DrCode
Jun 21, 2001, 00:44:28
 
When does this stop being just FUD and c ...   Forget FUD, could this be considered libel?   
Bryan J. Smith
Jun 21, 2001, 00:53:32
 
> They are in a partial monopoly with a  ...   Re: Can't Blame them   
Matt
Jun 20, 2001, 23:45:53
 
> Recipient shall not distribute the Sof ...   Will Microsoft sue it's own distributors?   
Anil Wang
Jun 20, 2001, 23:47:53
 
I don't see that this is really that ...   MS is at least consistant?!?   
Steve Wilson
Jun 20, 2001, 23:50:23
 
I think Microsoft is doing this to show  ...   MS is simpy putting their money where their mouth   
Martin
Jun 20, 2001, 23:54:43
 
That's were all the babbling of the  ...   Neat   
Rainer Weikusat
Jun 21, 2001, 00:55:52
 
I am surprised they would put that into  ...   Potentially libel...   
Jeff Garzik
Jun 21, 2001, 01:02:19
 
Does the license anywhere define the ter ...   Viral?   
Charles Hixson
Jun 21, 2001, 01:08:46
 
Given that "the Software" refers to Micr ...   Libraries   
Perpetual Newbie
Jun 21, 2001, 01:28:19
 
OpenOffice, AbiWord, Netscape, Mozilla,  ...   How will this affect ...   
George Mitchell
Jun 21, 2001, 01:35:43
 
Interesting.  An MS EULA that explicitly ...   Intellectual Capital and MS licenses   
David McGuire
Jun 21, 2001, 01:42:18
 
Wow.  I guess M$ really is serious about ...   Share Your Code Or Else!   
Gary Edwards
Jun 21, 2001, 01:56:50
 
I don't think the terms they list ex ...   Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distributors&#   
Daniel
Jun 21, 2001, 02:01:48
 
The license appears to be limiting non-i ...   This is going way too far!   
Kaz Kylheku
Jun 21, 2001, 02:14:44
 
The Nays have it. 
Boy, I hope this get ...   All Surprised Raise Your Hands   
Chris
Jun 21, 2001, 02:19:47
 
Do you really think Windows is just a li ...   re :take out the OS code bill..   
juln
Jun 21, 2001, 02:24:04
 
"Potentially Viral Software".  Still mor ...   "Potentially Viral" my ass   
Phil Stracchino
Jun 21, 2001, 02:34:01
 
Bizarre.

Hilarious.  

Microsoft is ...   Lookin' kind o' nervous there, Bill   
Robert Morelli
Jun 21, 2001, 02:37:02
 
> Damn. Much more difficult to understan ...   Re: Get yourself a lawyer first   
Rick James
Jun 21, 2001, 02:49:00
 
> Damn. Much more difficult to understan ...   Re: Get yourself a lawyer first   
Daniel
Jun 21, 2001, 02:56:17
 
> Look - if I go write software and put  ...   Re: MS is at least consistant?!?   
Ryan T. Sammartino
Jun 21, 2001, 02:59:09
 
"[ We aren't permitted (because Micr ...   Re: Full text, in a readable format   
Threska
Jun 21, 2001, 02:57:20
 
> I don't see that this is really th ...   Re: MS is at least consistant?!?   
JoeR
Jun 21, 2001, 03:08:17
 
Just as in chess this is a check mate fo ...   Point to ponder -   
Ant
Jun 21, 2001, 03:12:28
 
> No.  GPLed stuff on Windows links to m ...   Wait a minute--Isn't this just what RMS compla   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Jun 21, 2001, 03:58:06
 
"(ii) not using Potentially Viral Softwa ...   No open sorce TOOLS? Wha?   
Gene Scott
Jun 21, 2001, 04:00:13
 
> My guess is they're doing this not ...   Re: I think it's just FUD...   
Gene Scott
Jun 21, 2001, 04:10:39
 
> This sounds an awfully lot like the re ...   Re: Wait a minute--Isn't this just what RMS co   
Ryan T. Sammartino
Jun 21, 2001, 04:15:38
 
They have soemthing like 50,000 employee ...   M$ doesn't need no stinking developer base   
Leo
Jun 21, 2001, 04:28:46
 
This move appears to be at least partly  ...   Time to re-release Mozilla under the STMRB license   
ac
Jun 21, 2001, 04:34:07
 
It is much better to use something that  ...   GCC really SUCKS..   
John Scott
Jun 21, 2001, 04:37:58
 
It's obvious what the end result of  ...   Microsoft BSD   
Anonymous
Jun 21, 2001, 04:47:49
 
I can't believe Microsoft could dig  ...   MS is being grossly paranoid   
Jamie
Jun 21, 2001, 04:56:12
 
What's the deal here?  I think M$ ha ...   It's superfluous   
davidd
Jun 21, 2001, 05:00:29
 
> Look - if I go write software and put  ...   Re: MS is at least consistant?!?   
Jamie
Jun 21, 2001, 05:12:22
 
I've been lurking in the shadows wat ...   Goebels and Microsoft?   
Johny
Jun 21, 2001, 05:24:16
 
EXCERPT:
______________________________ ...   Microsoft uses GCC   
Cat
Jun 21, 2001, 05:28:11
 
Microsoft is pure evil.  All you softwar ...   wish it wasn't true   
Joe Black
Jun 21, 2001, 05:29:39
 
With the new license, will I be able to  ...   Can I still use/develop Java programs?   
Kazuo
Jun 21, 2001, 05:33:09
 
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.h ...   A good time to read this..   
GNUbie
Jun 21, 2001, 05:38:37
 
...since Outlook is about as potentially ...   Can't use these tools with MS Outlook then   
Leon Brooks
Jun 21, 2001, 05:40:29
 

> So, what does Free Software have to  ...   Re: Libraries   
no spam
Jun 21, 2001, 05:40:31
 
>> No.  GPLed stuff on Windows links to  ...   Distributing MSCVRT.DLL with your GPLed code   
Leon Brooks
Jun 21, 2001, 05:59:37
 
Ok... The embedded software in my phone  ...   It won't work.   
withheld
Jun 21, 2001, 05:58:06
 
> I don't think the terms they list  ...   Re: Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distributo   
Bradley Broom
Jun 21, 2001, 06:10:22
 
> What if they start changing their lice ...   Re: This is going way too far!   
Arun Sharma
Jun 21, 2001, 06:18:44
 
How do I know what Microsoft's lawye ...   I'd need a lawyer before using toolkit   
Bradley Broom
Jun 21, 2001, 06:33:22
 
I think its part of a soon to be launche ...   Re: Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distributo   
David Johnson
Jun 21, 2001, 06:59:30
 
> P.S.: the trend is interesting. If nex ...   Re: Why?...   
Gaël
Jun 21, 2001, 06:59:55
 
I believe that this licence also prevent ...   No doc?   
Stef
Jun 21, 2001, 07:10:06
 
> This sounds an awfully lot like the re ...   Re: Wait a minute--Isn't this just what RMS co   
Sri Lumpa
Jun 21, 2001, 07:44:04
 
First and foremost, the GPL cannot someh ...   Magic linking   
David McGuire
Jun 21, 2001, 07:53:50
 
...of their desperate uphill battle. Des ...   This is just the beginning...   
Socrate
Jun 21, 2001, 07:52:02
 
Oh, they wouldn't dare. I could have ...   Re: Why?...   
Jerry Brown
Jun 21, 2001, 08:09:26
 
All I can say is:

http://www.mingw.or ...   The logical response.   
Bob for Apples
Jun 21, 2001, 08:12:17
 
> > No.  GPLed stuff on Windows links to ...   Re: Wait a minute--Isn't this just what RMS co   
Martin Vermeer
Jun 21, 2001, 08:28:21
 
Since Microsoft began stepping up its at ...   Real target: OpenOffice?   
Microserf
Jun 21, 2001, 08:36:21
 
Whoa, let's not get carried away. Th ...   Re: Are they going after AOL?   
Mandi Hauser
Jun 21, 2001, 08:36:26
 
The license is issued to a developer mak ...   How generous - free testing!!   
Bjørn
Jun 21, 2001, 08:54:29
 
Presumably this is only an issue for wha ...   Nice try - but there is a way out for GPL   
David Brownlee
Jun 21, 2001, 09:54:42
 
> To be honest, I think Linux on the des ...   Re: This is only the beginning   
Simon Farnsworth
Jun 21, 2001, 10:49:06
 
Please guys, stop making the mistake of  ...   GPL is *NOT VIRAL*   
mark
Jun 21, 2001, 10:53:42
 
One thing we could do to really spanner  ...   Linux SDKs for Windows Apps   
fraggle
Jun 21, 2001, 11:39:26
 
How much of Java, Java SDKs', Java A ...   No Java? No embedded Linux?   
joseph olson
Jun 21, 2001, 11:53:26
 
Microsoft is just trying to keep us from ...   M$ Just wants us not to go Commie   
sam Taylor
Jun 21, 2001, 12:00:31
 
No, this is not equivalent.

In the GP ...   Re: Wait a minute--Isn't this just what RMS co   
Ben Tilly
Jun 21, 2001, 12:03:49
 
The DDK includes a useful Util called Ch ...   But they use Perl in the DDK!   
marble
Jun 21, 2001, 12:39:23
 
Just stop using MS products. Feel good,  ...   Feel good moment   
phil
Jun 21, 2001, 12:46:49
 
 "(ii) not using Potentially Viral Softw ...   Re: No open sorce TOOLS? Wha?   
Myddrin
Jun 21, 2001, 12:48:09
 
Tim was correct, it's not restrictin ...   Tim Dion is correct   
Ted Milker
Jun 21, 2001, 12:59:08
 
What I find really interesting with Crai ...   Microsoft even touts gcc and other gnu software   
John Miller
Jun 21, 2001, 13:47:15
 
> > What if they start changing their li ...   Re: Re: This is going way too far!   
disinformation!
Jun 21, 2001, 13:53:15
 
This is the kind of criticism that reall ...   I ORGASMED After Reading This   
The Critisizer
Jun 21, 2001, 13:56:51
 
No, Microsoft are using whatever means a ...   Re: Distributing MSCVRT.DLL with your GPLed code   
Wol
Jun 21, 2001, 13:54:19
 
Microsoft has collectively shot itself i ...   Let Me be Brutally Honest Here   
Nicholas Donovan
Jun 21, 2001, 14:35:28
 
The terms say "IN CONJUCTION WITH", whic ...   Re: I wonder if this is legal.   
ME
Jun 21, 2001, 14:35:45
 
> > I don't think the terms they lis ...   Re: Re: Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distri   
Joe Doran
Jun 21, 2001, 14:38:04
 
Does this mean It can't be distribut ...   Internet Explorer   
Brad Arant
Jun 21, 2001, 14:53:22
 
> However, you can make BSD-licensed sof ...   Re: Re: Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distri   
Joe D.
Jun 21, 2001, 14:55:49
 
> What I find really interesting with Cr ...   Re: Microsoft even touts gcc and other gnu softwar   
mark
Jun 21, 2001, 15:12:58
 
I find it interesting that Microsoft is  ...   definition of "viral"   
john beamon
Jun 21, 2001, 15:16:03
 
What are you talking about "Commie". Do  ...   Re: M$ Just wants us not to go Commie   
Brad Arant
Jun 21, 2001, 15:18:40
 
This may be totally off base, but I thin ...   Barking Dogs vs Silent Dogs   
tc
Jun 21, 2001, 15:24:02
 
Sure they might be somewhat scared and c ...   Not Free OS ppl, they're trying to stop Windos   
Big G
Jun 21, 2001, 15:48:39
 
> 
> Now is this license viral?  

NO ...   Re: I'd need a lawyer before using toolkit   
mark
Jun 21, 2001, 15:57:02
 
> They don't exclude BSD, it's j ...   Re: Re: Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distri   
Daniel
Jun 21, 2001, 16:05:39
 
The GPL and Microsoft lisence are totall ...   Re: Re: This is going way too far!   
Scott Carr
Jun 21, 2001, 16:21:22
 
> > 
> > Now is this license viral?  
 ...   Re: Re: I'd need a lawyer before using toolkit   
Bradley Broom
Jun 21, 2001, 16:32:02
 
VERY well put.  Continue to spread the t ...   Re: Let Me be Brutally Honest Here   
act Regards
Jun 21, 2001, 16:43:30
 
From Microsoft's SDK License:

 "P ...   So is Windows publicly available software?   
Bradley Broom
Jun 21, 2001, 16:53:28
 
G'Day !

I think most people are m ...   Mobile Internet   
Jim Parker
Jun 21, 2001, 17:00:52
 
Didn't they just anounce a .Net vers ...   Waitaminute.....   
The Scooter King
Jun 21, 2001, 16:59:45
 
> Linux as a form of social protest.  Wh ...   Re: This is only the beginning   
Rufus Polson
Jun 21, 2001, 17:11:53
 
> > Recipient shall not distribute the S ...   Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distributors&#   
Rufus Polson
Jun 21, 2001, 17:18:22
 
>Perl yes, TCP/IP stack no. What matters ...   Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distributors&#   
Roy Stogner
Jun 21, 2001, 17:54:54
 
Researchers at Microsoft's Redmond C ...   "Ethics Bug" Isolated!   
Gary Edwards
Jun 21, 2001, 17:56:38
 
> Presumably this is only an issue for w ...   Re: Nice try - but there is a way out for GPL   
Rufus Polson
Jun 21, 2001, 17:55:21
 
> >Perl yes, TCP/IP stack no. What matte ...   Re: Re: Will Microsoft sue it's own distributo   
Rufus Polson
Jun 21, 2001, 18:07:08
 
Will it really though?  Look at the rest ...   Re: Death of MS?   
Mike Borrelli
Jun 21, 2001, 18:57:42
 

OK, so that langauge is inflammatory,  ...   GPL Implies This Anyway   
Ray Auchterlounie
Jun 21, 2001, 19:42:57
 
maybe we all should setup our web sites  ...   block windows from the web sites.   
Harold
Jun 21, 2001, 20:04:25
 
Sorry Ray, but that's not correct.   ...   Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Anon
Jun 21, 2001, 20:14:45
 
> [ On the use of tools - either the use ...   Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Rufus Polson
Jun 21, 2001, 20:29:57
 
> This is what GPL tries to do - limit t ...   Re: Re: This is going way too far!   
Svartalf
Jun 21, 2001, 20:37:16
 
Bzzt!  Nice try, though...

The licens ...   Re: The logical response.   
Svartalf
Jun 21, 2001, 20:42:06
 
> Please guys, stop making the mistake o ...   Re: GPL is *NOT VIRAL*   
Bob
Jun 21, 2001, 20:53:42
 
> I know this sounds incredibly paranoid ...   Re: Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Jun 21, 2001, 21:25:31
 
Agreed, and I think it's time more p ...   Re: Re: This is only the beginning   
Bakody
Jun 21, 2001, 21:50:46
 
> They have soemthing like 50,000 employ ...   Re: M$ doesn't need no stinking developer base   
Rick James
Jun 21, 2001, 21:51:25
 
We are now in a "shooting war" figurativ ...   Quiet escalation/Bigotry   
The International Peguin
Jun 21, 2001, 22:06:04
 
> 
> The idea that the GPL is a virus d ...   Re: Re: GPL is *NOT VIRAL*   
Slack User
Jun 21, 2001, 22:21:43
 
Sorry, you are completely wrong. Read th ...   Re: Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Ray Auchterlounie
Jun 21, 2001, 22:39:16
 
Microsoft Info Flash: Starting immediate ...   Thanks Microsoft !   
Ze Gick
Jun 21, 2001, 23:13:34
 
> ... it acts like a "License Virus". On ...   Re: Re: GPL is *NOT VIRAL*   
R.L.
Jun 22, 2001, 02:55:53
 
> One of its many effects is that you ar ...   Re: Re: GPL is *NOT VIRAL*--continued   
R.L.
Jun 22, 2001, 03:49:56
 
Just saw this post on /.
the GPL is a v ...   Great new soundbite counterpoint to "viral" bs.   
George
Jun 22, 2001, 07:32:03
 
So if you 
distribute my GPLed code wit ...   Re: Re: GPL is *NOT VIRAL*   
Wol
Jun 22, 2001, 08:49:19
 
This thing is weird. I have some initial ...   Re: Re: Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Wol
Jun 22, 2001, 08:54:12
 
Looks like the PR department has been do ...   link is gone   
Batiaan
Jun 22, 2001, 08:58:29
 
> > Please guys, stop making the mistake ...   Re: Re: GPL is *NOT VIRAL*   
Mark
Jun 22, 2001, 08:57:26
 
> > [ On the use of tools - either the u ...   Re: Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Ray Auchterlounie
Jun 22, 2001, 09:01:46
 
[...]
> Potential law-breaking?
> Well ...   Re: Re: Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Ray Auchterlounie
Jun 22, 2001, 09:13:32
 
Ted Milker wrote:
> Microsoft cannot fo ...   Tim Dion is Wrong   
Rodney Quaye
Jun 22, 2001, 11:59:08
 
> ... that they've used the EULA of  ...   Re: Not the first time...   
Jeff Smith
Jun 22, 2001, 13:11:51
 
Defense youself, defense the "viral soft ...   Send it to the white house   
J
Jun 22, 2001, 13:21:42
 
> > What if they start changing their li ...   Re: Re: This is going way too far!   
Jeff Smith
Jun 22, 2001, 13:38:11
 
> Because the GPL GRANTS rights, whereas ...   Re: Re: Re: This is going way too far!   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Jun 22, 2001, 14:44:30
 
GPL - release the source because the lic ...   How I avoid license hassles   
Slack User
Jun 22, 2001, 15:01:50
 
Certainly the EULA takes specific legal  ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: This is going way too far!   
David McGuire
Jun 22, 2001, 16:06:59
 
> >by, say, getting in via a built-in ba ...   Re: Re: Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Rufus Polson
Jun 22, 2001, 17:08:05
 
Up near the top, Brian wanted the full t ...   A EULA (ie contract) can be copyrighted?   
Tony Other
Jun 22, 2001, 18:30:13
 
> Up near the top, Brian wanted the full ...   Re: A EULA (ie contract) can be copyrighted?   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Jun 22, 2001, 19:18:24
 
Sure it can.  Do lawyers work for free?  ...   Re: A EULA (ie contract) can be copyrighted?   
Randy Johnson
Jun 22, 2001, 22:24:42
 
What does this do to software like Star  ...   Star Office   
JD
Jun 22, 2001, 22:46:45
 
--snip-- 
> We need a good buzz word ag ...   Re: Re: Get yourself a lawyer first   
Scott D. Miller
Jun 23, 2001, 06:37:00
 
> Sorry, you are completely wrong. Read  ...   Re: Re: Re: GPL Implies This Anyway   
Scott D. Miller
Jun 23, 2001, 08:44:50
 
"Damn. Much more difficult to understand ...   Re: Get yourself a lawyer first   
Dmitri L.
Jun 25, 2001, 01:52:01
 
Mark wrote:


> The GPL provides free ...   Stallman as bad as Gates   
RFM
Jun 26, 2001, 14:24:57
 
Shockingly poor security in Windows crea ...   Potentially Viral, do they mean   
Asji
Jun 26, 2001, 19:33:02
 
Well well....I dont see open source as m ...   Viral? huh? Deja vu   
Salman Ahmed
Jun 26, 2001, 20:37:45
 
Just look at the leading venue for virii ...   Want to talk about VIRAL???   
FragHARD
Jun 28, 2001, 03:45:23
 
Note clause 16 of the contract, exerpted ...   Gee, seems like they forbid telecommuting, too...   
Dullroar
Jul 6, 2001, 17:51:02
 
> maybe we all should setup our web site ...   Re: block windows from the web sites.   
Jon
Jul 6, 2001, 20:44:58
 
Linux will never die completely it will  ...   Linux will never die completely   
Jon
Jul 6, 2001, 20:47:30
 
EULA:

Eternal Universal Lies Abound.. ...   Re: A EULA (ie contract) can be copyrighted?   
David
Jul 10, 2001, 08:56:29
 
Late night/early AM disorientation...

 ...   ms must have   
ms must PERISH!
Jul 10, 2001, 10:13:58
 
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