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:The Register: Gnome to be Based on .NET - de Icaza
The Register: Gnome to be Based on .NET - de Icaza
Feb 2, 2002, 01 :34 UTC (185 Talkback[s]) (23041 reads)
(Other stories by Andrew Orlowski)

[ Thanks to Ned Ulbricht for this link. ]

"How much do you love Microsoft's .NET? Enough to trust your Gnome applications to its APIs in the future?

"That's what Gnome leader Miguel de Icaza, believes should happen. Miguel calls .NET the "natural upgrade" for the Gnome platform, and enthused about the technology in an interview with us at LinuxWorld this week. Basing Gnome on the .NET APIs will cut development time significantly.

"He also had praise for the new Microsoft security model, dismissed the notion that Redmond was employing embrace and extend to its web services protocols, and put the message that the community should get over its beef with The Beast..."

Complete Story

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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
Remember Miguel's "Unix Sucks" speec ...   Flamebait city   
Josh
Feb 1, 2002, 19:40:15  
Whatever technical merits .Net might hav ...   i just don't understand   
jers
Feb 1, 2002, 19:50:27  
I guess i'll stick to KDE then. Why ...   Welp...   
mr Shad0w
Feb 1, 2002, 19:50:57  
"Miguel also had praise for the .NET ver ...   Oh no!!   
omar
Feb 1, 2002, 19:52:44  
First of all, Miguel de Icaza is one of ...   Not quite yet.   
Carg
Feb 1, 2002, 19:57:03  
I think you underestimate Ximian/Miguel& ...   Re: Not quite yet.   
ac
Feb 1, 2002, 20:05:29  
I am a KDE user but I am sad to see the ...   sad this the destruction of gnome   
beerintrousers
Feb 1, 2002, 20:13:16  
... de Icaza we have a problem down here ...   Ground control to...   
marc
Feb 1, 2002, 20:14:59  
Or ask the kaffee programmers about impl ...   Re: Oh no!!   
ac
Feb 1, 2002, 20:22:12  
Could he have said anything more controv ...   Gee whiz.   
d@
Feb 1, 2002, 20:22:20  
Are other Gnome developers, the Gnome Fo ...   Developer Enthusiasm   
Reid Hekman
Feb 1, 2002, 20:28:24  
Miguel is sort of abrasive at times... ...   I think it could be alright...   
ac
Feb 1, 2002, 20:31:29  
As far as I know, the quiet period for t ...   Other Things Coming...   
Dave Ortiz
Feb 1, 2002, 20:37:42  
at least we would have one argument less ...   If this happens...   
Janne
Feb 1, 2002, 20:49:58  
First Miguel de Icaza self-righteously b ...   Am I Paranoid?   
JavaMan
Feb 1, 2002, 20:52:11  
MICROSOFT CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. MICROSOFT ...   Repeat after me...   
Londo Mollari
Feb 1, 2002, 20:53:22  
I use Gnome as my desktop at work and at ...   My new desktop: KDE   
Luis Santos
Feb 1, 2002, 20:55:14  
If that happens I'll ditch Gnome ...   I hope not!   
JCA
Feb 1, 2002, 21:00:02  
Considering how and why Gnome was starte ...   Bizarre, truly pathetic   
Doug Bostrom
Feb 1, 2002, 21:01:51  
> I guess i'll stick to KDE then. Wh ...   Re: Welp...   
James
Feb 1, 2002, 21:19:27  
I don't see the issue here. The big ...   What's the problem?   
Ryan
Feb 1, 2002, 21:19:58  
Miguel has a gift for controversy. Ther ...   Re: Developer Enthusiasm   
andrew
Feb 1, 2002, 21:20:40  
That settles it. de Icaza is a Microsof ...   Don't trust de Icaza   
Ted Appleby
Feb 1, 2002, 21:20:59  
The GNOME community has been cool to .Ne ...   GNOME community has been cool to .Net/Mono   
Andy Tai
Feb 1, 2002, 21:23:37  
This is like the forging of the rings of ...   "We must use the ring against him"   
Celebrimbor
Feb 1, 2002, 21:25:39  
I think Miguel sounds a bit confused. A ...   .NET is not all that better than Java   
Jonathan Abbey
Feb 1, 2002, 21:30:11  
Miguel didn't say GNOME will be base ...   Miguel didn't say GNOME will be based in .NET   
Anil Wang
Feb 1, 2002, 21:32:21  
I can only say I'm glad Miguel is no ...   With friends like these, who needs enemies?   
Jacek
Feb 1, 2002, 21:32:59  
fork ...   one word   
proclus
Feb 1, 2002, 21:34:51  
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-hac ...   Miguel and Failure of Bonobo   
ac
Feb 1, 2002, 21:40:41  
> First Miguel de Icaza self-righteously ...   Re: Am I Paranoid?   
James
Feb 1, 2002, 21:43:53  
I hope the complainers out there realize ...   Silly people...   
JDoe
Feb 1, 2002, 21:45:17  
I do ...   Re: GNOME community has been cool to .Net/Mono   
Mike Urbanski
Feb 1, 2002, 21:54:25  
My God, do you even know what a CLI is? ...   Re: Not quite yet.   
Mike
Feb 1, 2002, 22:01:05  
Looks to me like this will cause a split ...   Choice   
J
Feb 1, 2002, 22:12:30  
No, you are't paranoid...but Miguel ...   Re: Am I Paranoid?   
g
Feb 1, 2002, 22:15:55  
> Considering how and why Gnome was star ...   Re: Bizarre, truly pathetic   
flacco
Feb 1, 2002, 22:18:00  
>The reason I use Gnome is not for the d ...   Re: Developer Enthusiasm   
pmccombs
Feb 1, 2002, 22:26:58  
Just wondering (see subject). Most of th ...   How many here know what they talk about?   
E.
Feb 1, 2002, 22:29:20  
This is just like back in the good old d ...   M$soft recruiting tactics   
David Janello
Feb 1, 2002, 22:31:49  
Or ask the kaffee programmers about impl ...   Re: Re: Oh no!!   
Cyd
Feb 1, 2002, 22:37:06  
Miguel doesn't control GNOME. If any ...   Re: Re: Developer Enthusiasm   
Cyd
Feb 1, 2002, 22:43:14  
I swear this guy must be secretly gettin ...   de Icaza wants to kill Linux   
Art Cancro
Feb 1, 2002, 23:06:15  
> Free Software has always been taking p ...   Re: What's the problem?   
Ahem
Feb 1, 2002, 23:08:54  
1) There's no reason to dislike c# j ...   Re: I think it could be alright...   
bob niederman
Feb 1, 2002, 23:19:57  
no comment ...   Re: Don't trust de Icaza [I agree. No Icaza]   
No Icaza
Feb 1, 2002, 23:34:21  
I AGREE 100%. Well put. Go Miguel!!! ...   Re: I think it could be alright...   
Mitch
Feb 1, 2002, 23:47:24  
That's it. I am now removing all ve ...   Death To The Infidel's Code   
Ursus Orribilus
Feb 2, 2002, 00:25:59  
Okay let me get this straight, Gnome is ...   I Have A Question   
Ada
Feb 2, 2002, 00:38:17  
Until now I've been ambivalent, but ...   My opinion is shifting   
Rufus Polson
Feb 2, 2002, 00:41:08  
C or C++ compiled for CLR will not be EL ...   Re: .NET is not all that better than Java   
Julio
Feb 2, 2002, 00:41:14  
There's no reason to dislike c# just ...   Re: I think it could be alright...   
David Johnson
Feb 2, 2002, 01:09:10  
I really think some of what's drivin ...   Miguel: sour grapes re: KDE?   
Cole Thompson
Feb 2, 2002, 01:25:44  
I think Miguel de Icaza has finally gone ...   gone mad   
johna
Feb 2, 2002, 01:31:29  
First things first:I've been using K ...   What does it take to make a GNOME I'd switch t   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 2, 2002, 02:00:50  
I wonder if I can take the blue pill rig ...   Should'a taken the Blue Pill.   
Han Solo
Feb 2, 2002, 02:22:52  
Geez, this really stinks. So, free softw ...   Specs and bad smell   
Bojan Smojver
Feb 2, 2002, 02:42:14  
For anyone who has ever written a compil ...   The CLI is good   
John Sowa
Feb 2, 2002, 02:59:01  
>> Wrong!!!! ALL the code is _compiled_ ...   Re: Re: .NET is not all that better than Java   
Dromedary
Feb 2, 2002, 03:09:59  
Just joining the chorus here, but Miguel ...   Not bloody likely   
Jon C
Feb 2, 2002, 03:20:43  
the shortest dev path. xkslflsfkslfslfs ...   So then Icaza should just install XP and .net th   
dc
Feb 2, 2002, 03:35:08  
> The reason I dislike C# is that there ...   Re: Re: I think it could be alright... -- C# is th   
Johan Ebert
Feb 2, 2002, 03:35:58  
Ok.. This is NOT supposed to be flame-ba ...   Icaza and MS: No Suprise   
David Acklam
Feb 2, 2002, 03:52:32  
1. KDE was based on a non-free library c ...   Pah   
Morocco Mole
Feb 2, 2002, 03:57:35  
Ximian builds gnome for .net, Microsoft ...   I can see it now...   
J
Feb 2, 2002, 04:24:34  
Everyone seems to think that .NET is ine ...   Inevitability of .NET   
David F. Skoll
Feb 2, 2002, 04:41:20  
We should support Miguel on this one.Jus ...   I Think That's A Good Idea   
Peter Penduco
Feb 2, 2002, 04:52:51  
Two counts of misinformation there, [ITY ...   Re: Re: Re: I think it could be alright...   
AJWM
Feb 2, 2002, 05:31:40  
> > First Miguel de Icaza self-righteous ...   Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?   
JavaMan
Feb 2, 2002, 05:41:05  
Right now GNOME is very good, useful and ...   I'll withold judgment   
Casey Perkins
Feb 2, 2002, 05:53:15  
> Two counts of misinformation there, Da ...   Re: Re: Re: I think it could be alright... -- C# i   
Eric Laffoon
Feb 2, 2002, 05:55:03  
When will this guy figure out what happe ...   Getting Burned   
Joe User
Feb 2, 2002, 05:55:19  
> If you go to Slashdot, you will see th ...   Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?   
andrew
Feb 2, 2002, 06:19:51  
> any desktop system which allows plenty ...   Re: Pah   
Eric Laffoon
Feb 2, 2002, 06:25:14  
Remember that MS has never defeated an " ...   think carefully people   
doogie
Feb 2, 2002, 06:29:17  
Lets say Mr. Icaza is successful in conv ...   Extremely Risky   
Andrew Grygus
Feb 2, 2002, 06:35:27  
> Ximian builds gnome for .net, Microso ...   Re: I can see it now...   
ac
Feb 2, 2002, 06:48:43  
Icaza's been smoking the penguin dro ...   Oh No!   
Curt Wuollet
Feb 2, 2002, 06:54:15  
> My God, do you even know what a CLI is ...   Re: Re: Not quite yet.   
Jonathan Abbey
Feb 2, 2002, 07:21:32  
The reason I dislike C# is that there is ...   Re: Re: I think it could be alright...   
Richard Corfield (Address ROT13)
Feb 2, 2002, 08:56:50  
nuff said.... ...   reminds me of the old OS/2 days   
joe
Feb 2, 2002, 11:00:01  
DE ICAZA CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. ...   And on the same note -   
AC
Feb 2, 2002, 11:33:21  
As a possibility to link/bind GNOME to . ...   Re: My new desktop: KDE   
raptor
Feb 2, 2002, 11:44:29  
i will repeat, why should GNOME be based ...   Re: What's the problem?   
raptor
Feb 2, 2002, 12:37:20  
Gnome will NOT be based on .NET. Miguel ...   Wake up people! This is The Register! Pure Trash.   
Rodney Quaye
Feb 2, 2002, 13:01:49  
Is this clown out of his fscking mind? T ...   Microsoft Gnome   
Anonymous Coward
Feb 2, 2002, 13:33:43  
> Hmmm... and Unix was created by AT&T, ...   Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?   
fool me once
Feb 2, 2002, 13:36:30  
> Hmmm... and Unix was created by AT&T, ...   Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?--Calling a Spade a   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 2, 2002, 13:42:50  
> nuff said....How does it remind you of ...   Re: reminds me of the old OS/2 days   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 2, 2002, 13:54:27  
I must agree, though I'll probably s ...   Re: My new desktop: KDE   
Carl Busjahn
Feb 2, 2002, 14:13:50  
please: it's LaTeX ... not lAtEx, no ...   LaTeX   
Wolfgang
Feb 2, 2002, 14:45:33  
Whether or not using .NET is a good sol ...   Miguel wasting time   
Enrique Arizón Benito
Feb 2, 2002, 14:45:35  
"Now if you want to talk about a realist ...   RE:ac   
Ada
Feb 2, 2002, 16:17:20  
> They ignored Windows when Bill Gates w ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?--Calling a Spad   
except
Feb 2, 2002, 16:47:50  
> > Hmmm... and Unix was created by AT&T ...   AT&T History (Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?)   
Anil Wang
Feb 2, 2002, 17:07:09  
I keep seeing remarks that compare the d ...   Mono-polization   
Anti-Trust
Feb 2, 2002, 17:35:24  
> They ingnored it because MS's offi ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?--Calling a   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 2, 2002, 17:38:41  
Now if you want to talk about a realisti ...   Re: Re: I can see it now...   
AJWM
Feb 2, 2002, 17:57:38  
I'm not some kind of nut; I hate MS ...   I like Linux cus I hate Microsoft   
Mike Christiansen
Feb 2, 2002, 18:09:20  
Oops, sorry, I forgot the :-) at the end ...   Re: I can see it now...   
J
Feb 2, 2002, 18:37:53  
> Now if you want to talk about a realis ...   Not FUD Re: Re: Re: I can see it now...   
BRE
Feb 2, 2002, 18:45:08  
Some people in this world seem to base t ...   .Net and C# or be wary of g(r)eeks bearing gifts   
John Helms
Feb 2, 2002, 19:18:39  
The Berkeley group (now Sun) and anyone ...   Re: AT&T History (Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid   
Cyd
Feb 2, 2002, 19:19:42  
> > Now if you want to talk about a real ...   Re: Re: Re: I can see it now...   
ac
Feb 2, 2002, 19:26:34  
Think of how many programmers will move ...   Great news for KDE!!!   
Todd Kirby
Feb 2, 2002, 19:44:08  
> > > Now if you want to talk about a re ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: I can see it now...   
Ralex
Feb 2, 2002, 19:52:51  
I couldn't agree more with the point ...   Re: Mono-polization   
johna
Feb 2, 2002, 19:54:47  
> So the real question is: Why is Miguel ...   Re: Mono-polization   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 2, 2002, 20:09:57  
Are anybody there ready to face the true ...   ok.. time to rm -Rf gnome   
Luciano Giordana
Feb 2, 2002, 20:22:48  
IT IS GPL!!! Lets fork it and save a goo ...   FORK GNOME ! FORK GNOME NOW!!   
Luciano Giordana
Feb 2, 2002, 20:25:03  
I strongly suggest that the community fo ...   GNOME will be GMONO   
Luciano Giordana
Feb 2, 2002, 20:27:15  
>He could be right. He could be wrong. H ...   Re: Re: Mono-polization   
jj
Feb 2, 2002, 20:56:36  
> Note that it says nothing about Trollt ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: I can see it now...   
Luciano Giordana
Feb 2, 2002, 21:13:51  
Already forking GNOME. Have been forking ...   Re: FORK GNOME ! FORK GNOME NOW!!   
Ilan Volow
Feb 2, 2002, 21:42:13  
I am currently doing C#,asp.net/webform, ...   Re: Re: Not quite yet.   
Alex
Feb 2, 2002, 22:06:48  
> > So the real question is: Why is Migu ...   Re: Re: Mono-polization: Miguel is not fool, naive   
is
Feb 2, 2002, 23:09:41  
>He could be right. He could be wrong. ...   Re: Re: Mono-polization   
flacco
Feb 3, 2002, 00:13:20  
Please, include the link to the project. ...   Re: Re: FORK GNOME ! FORK GNOME NOW!!   
Luciano Giordana
Feb 3, 2002, 00:16:58  
>> Then Qt reverts to a BSD license.> T ...   Re: Re: etc. Qt licencsing   
AJWM
Feb 3, 2002, 01:24:14  
> For anyone who has ever written a comp ...   Re: The CLI is good   
Dave Ortiz
Feb 3, 2002, 01:25:12  
So what you're saying is that Mr. Ic ...   Re: Re: Re: Mono-polization: Miguel is not fool, n   
Andrew Grygus
Feb 3, 2002, 01:39:22  
> > I guess i'll stick to KDE then. ...   Re: Re: Welp...   
Gabriel Weisner
Feb 3, 2002, 01:49:24  
> 1) There's no reason to dislike c# ...   Re: Re: I think it could be alright...   
anonymous
Feb 3, 2002, 02:15:43  
> I wish Microsoft would stop pretending ...   Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 3, 2002, 02:37:22  
We really need more people like this one ...   This man has an open mind   
JB Franklin
Feb 3, 2002, 04:25:03  
As I understand it, Ximian's heavy i ...   Follow the Money   
Curious
Feb 3, 2002, 04:39:48  
Well... First, it's 'Common Lang ...   Common Language Runtime (not Interface)   
David Acklam
Feb 3, 2002, 05:02:45  
I could care less about these petty lice ...   Re: Silly people... -> 'Complainers'   
David Acklam
Feb 3, 2002, 05:34:55  
> > For anyone who has ever written a co ...   Re: Re: The CLI is good   
Eric Gross
Feb 3, 2002, 05:42:35  
featuring an embedded SQL clone.It's ...   Icaza's next big idea: GnomeHorn...   
Jerry
Feb 3, 2002, 05:57:18  
> Nope, that's an interpretation of ...   Re: Re: Re: etc. Qt licencsing   
ac
Feb 3, 2002, 06:04:53  
> Now if you want to talk about a realis ...   Re: Re: I can see it now...   
Roberto Alsina
Feb 3, 2002, 09:06:56  
> The BSD clause is simply a con designe ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: I can see it now...   
Roberto Alsina
Feb 3, 2002, 09:24:15  
> IIRC, those "vague legal threats" lock ...   Re: Re: AT&T History (Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoi   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 3, 2002, 11:06:44  
Oh stop it already with the crap.> Some ...   Re: Re: Re: Mono-polization: Miguel is not fool, n   
iain
Feb 3, 2002, 13:46:03  
> Well... First, it's 'Common La ...   Re: Common Language Runtime (not Interface)   
Dreamer
Feb 3, 2002, 13:56:03  
http://www.ucomics.com/thefifthwave/ ...   One reason why Mono and Qt are okay.   
Geoff
Feb 3, 2002, 14:08:48  
He could be right. He could be wrong. ...   Re: Re: Mono-polization   
Jerry
Feb 3, 2002, 15:06:10  
> > > So the real question is: Why is Mi ...   Re: Re: Re: Mono-polization: Miguel is not fool, n   
jj
Feb 3, 2002, 15:49:20  
> > > I guess i'll stick to KDE then ...   Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
James
Feb 3, 2002, 17:46:26  
> Y'know, this does seem to point ou ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
feldspar
Feb 3, 2002, 18:40:34  
> > I wish Microsoft would stop pretendi ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
James
Feb 3, 2002, 18:43:24  
For example, Qt (lower case t) is more p ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I can see it now...   
Cyd
Feb 3, 2002, 19:23:30  
> samba, wine and even Linux itself are ...   Re: Re: Mono-polization   
JDoe
Feb 3, 2002, 20:24:58  
www.xfce.orgbeing my desktop of choice f ...   Re: My new desktop: KDE   
slipwalker
Feb 3, 2002, 20:58:04  
>and Unix was created by AT&T, the bigge ...   Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?   
slipwalker
Feb 3, 2002, 21:19:05  
>Well said young man!(I know this will n ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 3, 2002, 21:23:23  
> > Y'know, this does seem to point ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
James
Feb 3, 2002, 21:48:30  
> > use whatever tool may seem to fit th ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 3, 2002, 22:34:34  
> "Has Miguel de Icaza finally gone mad? ...   Re: gone mad   
mama mia
Feb 3, 2002, 22:50:59  
.NET is NOT coming to Linux. Ever. Linux ...   Re: Re: Re: Mono-polization   
Andrew Grygus
Feb 3, 2002, 23:13:13  
Once again this just proves that Linux d ...   Nothing original in linux   
Tim
Feb 3, 2002, 23:30:46  
>Microsoft's .NET is not wholly evil ...   Re: Pah   
mama mia
Feb 4, 2002, 00:13:05  
> > Hmmm... and Unix was created by AT&T ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I Paranoid?--Calling a Spad   
mama mia
Feb 4, 2002, 00:34:24  
> We really need more people like this o ...   Re: This man has an open mind   
mama mia
Feb 4, 2002, 00:40:15  
> The principal of "Microsoft bad. Don&# ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
feldspar
Feb 4, 2002, 01:40:01  
> Once again this just proves that Linux ...   Re: Nothing original in linux   
James
Feb 4, 2002, 01:58:11  
There is all this hand wringing but no t ...   Why don't some of you provide a technical opin   
James
Feb 4, 2002, 02:13:10  
http://xml.apache.org/soap/ ...   Apache sucks too   
James
Feb 4, 2002, 02:16:55  
> And if only people had more trust in t ...   Re: This man has an open mind   
Rufus Polson
Feb 4, 2002, 03:25:10  
>Microsoft had the best technology? > he ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 4, 2002, 03:40:32  
> .NET is NOT coming to Linux. Ever..We& ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Mono-polization   
JDoe
Feb 4, 2002, 07:11:25  
The word Microsoft is using is "Patents" ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mono-polization   
Andrew Grygus
Feb 4, 2002, 09:55:00  
> Once again this just proves that Linux ...   Re: Nothing original in linux   
Rainer Weikusat
Feb 4, 2002, 17:21:05  
> > > I wish Microsoft would stop preten ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
Gabriel Weisner
Feb 4, 2002, 18:15:19  
James, I've got to ask you, did you ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
Gabriel Weisner
Feb 4, 2002, 18:29:28  
"Sorry guys, but I'm afraid you' ...   Re: Nothing original in linux   
JB Franklin
Feb 4, 2002, 18:56:36  
Once again this just proves that Linux d ...   Re: Nothing original in linux   
ac967
Feb 4, 2002, 22:42:23  
Goodbye Gnome, I was all excited about ...   Bye Bye Gnome   
cybersekkin
Feb 4, 2002, 23:41:33  
> James, I've got to ask you, did yo ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welp...   
James
Feb 5, 2002, 02:12:49  
> I know you're just trying to cause ...   Re: Re: Nothing original in linux   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 5, 2002, 02:33:33  
Aside from the general sentiment that ma ...   Re: Why don't some of you provide a technical   
David Acklam
Feb 5, 2002, 04:18:18  
SOAP is effectively XML RPC re-named.It ...   Re: Apache sucks too - Not really   
David Acklam
Feb 5, 2002, 04:26:00  
Remember the Mindcraft "Benchmark"? Is i ...   Or was he just paid to say that?   
Peter
Feb 5, 2002, 11:09:40  
Having always been a Gnome user, I shall ...   ByeByeGnome   
HelloKDE
Feb 5, 2002, 11:22:01  
I've always preferred KDE anyway! I ...   Who needs it?   
Slack User
Feb 5, 2002, 13:50:37  
> 1) It's rather dumb to have Linux ...   Re: Re: Why don't some of you provide a techni   
Dean Pannell (a.k.a. dinotrac)
Feb 5, 2002, 14:08:56  
GNOME's existence forced Qt open and ...   Miguel has served his purpose   
raindog
Feb 5, 2002, 15:58:21  
Not really. I just used his terms. This ...   Re: Re: Re: Why don't some of you provide a te   
David Acklam
Feb 5, 2002, 16:20:29  
Actually, mr 'Nothing Original in Li ...   Linux Originality   
David Acklam
Feb 5, 2002, 16:30:35  
> But, this praise came a year before th ...   Re: Re: Re: Mono-polization   
Alex Berkman
Feb 5, 2002, 17:16:09  
> There's no reason to dislike c# ju ...   Re: Re: I think it could be alright...   
Ghannodahn
Feb 5, 2002, 18:29:08  
I must say that this makes me lose all f ...   loss of faith   
Andreas Berglund
Feb 5, 2002, 20:25:28  
> For example, Qt (lower case t) is more ...   Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I can see it now...   
Roberto Alsina
Feb 5, 2002, 20:35:25  
I had been trying to decide whether one ...   Re: ByeByeGnome   
WillBeKDEUserAndDeveloper
Feb 6, 2002, 20:28:14  
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