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A conversation with Gene Kim on DevOps, waterfall development, and containers

“The Phoenix Project” author Gene Kim explains why moving to a DevOps model is a cultural and process shift, and why “just having a great culture without having great work practices or technical practices is more like the Agile community, where you can have a bunch of Agile people, but without automating the right things you’re going to end up with as suboptimal outcomes.”